Austere
Nov 11 2004, 12:44 AM
This from the 11/11 NYPost.com sports section:
http://www.nypost.com/sports/yankees/31902.htm
No more DLowe, Maybe keep Pedro, What would we do with out Tek, OC???, if not SS???, hopefully add Pavano and Radke *gulp* (maybe), and now RJ is probably going to the MFY, Theo's got his work cut out for him. I hope he's taking the right stock at the initial GM meetings. Another Thanksgiving Day suprise maybe? A lot of holes need to be filled it's not even the middle of November yet and the kettle's already scortching. In Theo We Trust.
We're still World Champions though. 2004. We Believed, They Achieved.

P.S. Youkilis, Embree, and Jon Lester for Barry Zito, Just Do It.
Chillin with Schillin
Nov 11 2004, 12:54 AM
dude...this is a NY Post article...step back from the ledge
Publikwerks
Nov 11 2004, 12:59 AM
I dunno. I think Randy is going to NY but I think AZ is gonna fleece the Yanks to move em. I don't think they'll make it an easy move. After the Schilling trade, they wont go for anything less than a bargain.
And even with this being a NYPost story, it doesn't matter. I would be surprised if the Yanks didn't go after Johnson
vicocala
Nov 11 2004, 01:59 AM
I hope they do get him. Someday they will learn about these old players. Who do they think he is, Shilling?
JohntheBaptist
Nov 11 2004, 09:36 AM
Is it me, or was nothing actually said in this article? The Post saw them talking, and then they rehash rumors we've heard already. Typical NYPost shitstir. There's nothing there yet.
The Love Below
Nov 11 2004, 09:49 AM
When someone can convince me that NY has more to offer AZ than a team like the Padres, StL, ATL, or LA, then I'll start believing this crap.
Also, when your source is the Post, it's makes it even easier to immediately disregard the content within.
Wilhemus Remmerswaal
Nov 11 2004, 09:52 AM
Post=fish wrap.
Zero due diligence here.
staz
Nov 11 2004, 09:57 AM
QUOTE(Wilhemus Remmerswaal @ Nov 11 2004, 09:49 AM)
Post=fish wrap.
Zero due diliegence here.
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Kerry/Gephardt '04, baby!
Demon Mike
Nov 11 2004, 10:06 AM
Um... the Yankees are pursuing Randy Johnson with what, exactly?
Dewy4PrezII
Nov 11 2004, 10:21 AM
Of course they are going after RJ, but they have nothing on the farm...and most of their players are signed to above market value contracts. It woudl not surprise me to see them trade Vasquez to AZ for RJ...which is a gain for NYY short term but Javy has a ceiling and they will be giving up on him too soon (My rational here is that they seemed to really lose faith in Vasquez in the post season last year).
The Yanks Rotation get's older but better...On opening day their ages and annual salaries:
Johnson 41 $16.5M (6M deferred)
Brown 40 $15M
Mussina 36 $19M
Lieber 34 TBD (approx $6M if he is resigned)
I expect to see the Yankees continue to decline even if they do get the 41 year old Johnson...
Caspir
Nov 11 2004, 10:26 AM
QUOTE(Austere @ Nov 11 2004, 12:41 AM)
P.S. Youkilis, Embree, and Jon Lester for Barry Zito, Just Do It.
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What type of drugs are you on? First, get off the Youks to Oakland bus. They do not need him a all. Don't start talking about moving him over here to take this guy's place. They don't need him. Zito is the worst of the "Formerly Big Three" and trading Embree for him would leave us with yet another hole in the pen. Using John Lester is just ridiculous piling on.
Relax. We're the champs for a reason.
StuckInChiTown
Nov 11 2004, 10:27 AM
QUOTE(JohntheBaptist @ Nov 11 2004, 09:33 AM)
Is it me, or was nothing actually said in this article? The Post saw them talking, and then they rehash rumors we've heard already. Typical NYPost shitstir. There's nothing there yet.
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Bingo, they had a 5 minute conversation and no comment was all they told the Post.
Edmund Dantes
Nov 11 2004, 10:30 AM
I could have written this article without ever having been to the meetings. I mean who the hell was actually expecting the Yankees to try and get Johnson. I mean this is groundbreaking stuff. You would have to have been Ms. Cleo to see this one coming down the tracks.
38plus45equalsWS
Nov 11 2004, 10:41 AM
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Yankees general manager Brian Cashman and Arizona GM Joe Garagiola Jr. spoke for about five minutes yesterday morning
Wow, these discussions are really getting going.
Cashman: Hey, I was just wondering, did you get any chocolates after they cleaned your suite?
Garagiola: Yes, yes I did. They were wonderful.
Cashman: Well those ignorant fools forgot to leave me any.
Garagiola: That is truly a shame, but I must be going now.
Cashman: Oh well, I guess I gotta go too, goodbye.
bigbilly
Nov 11 2004, 10:51 AM
QUOTE(Dewy4PrezII @ Nov 11 2004, 09:18 AM)
The Yanks Rotation get's older but better...On opening day their ages and annual salaries:
Johnson 41 $16.5M (6M deferred)
Brown 40 $15M
Mussina 36 $19M
Lieber 34 TBD (approx $6M if he is resigned)
I expect to see the Yankees continue to decline even if they do get the 41 year old Johnson...
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There is no way on God's green Earth that Kevin Brown is on the Yankees next year....
gerky
Nov 11 2004, 11:07 AM
QUOTE(bigbilly @ Nov 11 2004, 09:48 AM)
There is no way on God's green Earth that Kevin Brown is on the Yankees next year....
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IIRC, Brown has a no-trade clause in his contract.
MTSUDaff
Nov 11 2004, 11:23 AM
QUOTE(Caspir @ Nov 11 2004, 09:23 AM)
What type of drugs are you on? First, get off the Youks to Oakland bus. They do not need him a all. Don't start talking about moving him over here to take this guy's place. They don't need him. Zito is the worst of the "Formerly Big Three" and trading Embree for him would leave us with yet another hole in the pen. Using John Lester is just ridiculous piling on.
Relax. We're the champs for a reason.
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A-frickin'-men. Im tired of people throwing Youks into every single deal they propose that we could do with the A's. Its pathetic. Yes, we all know he was in Moneyball, and that Beane wanted him. The key word is WANTED. And some people in here just make up these absolutely ridiculous deals where we send out half of our team to get one player. Is it just a rule that we need to give up 3 starters for every one we get in return? Jeez. There is a reason we won the title guys. Just relax. Let Theo do his thing.
bigbilly
Nov 11 2004, 11:51 AM
QUOTE(gerky5150 @ Nov 11 2004, 10:04 AM)
IIRC, Brown has a no-trade clause in his contract.
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So did Jose Contreras. If the Yanks don't want you, they somehow get you to leave.
Skip Romero
Nov 11 2004, 12:23 PM
This is the biggest bunch of mularkey. I like how Garagiola walks out and says he can't discuss anything and all of a sudden Randy Johnson is being sized up for Pinstripes. PUHLEEZE.
I hope this happens. I really do. I want to see Schilling v. RJ next year on Opening Day when we raise the friggin banner.
I do like how the article makes note of the fleecing of Garagiola. With the memory of the Schilling deal and the Sox rings dancing in his dreams, the price goes up every day for Brian Cashman.
Worm
Nov 11 2004, 12:45 PM
And Brown is owed in the vicinity of $15 million next year. Nobody's touching that unless NY eats a sizeable chunk, probably at least $8 million, maybe up to $10, who knows. Given, if any team can take that kind of a hit, it's the MFY (Sterling Hitchcok and Drew Henson come to mind).
I hope he IS there and has to pitch against us in another big game!
The Love Below
Nov 11 2004, 12:51 PM
QUOTE(gerky5150 @ Nov 11 2004, 11:04 AM)
IIRC, Brown has a no-trade clause in his contract.
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IIRC, no one in their right mind would want him.
StuckInChiTown
Nov 11 2004, 01:01 PM
QUOTE(Worm @ Nov 11 2004, 12:42 PM)
And Brown is owed in the vicinity of $15 million next year. Nobody's touching that unless NY eats a sizeable chunk, probably at least $8 million, maybe up to $10, who knows. Given, if any team can take that kind of a hit, it's the MFY (Sterling Hitchcok and Drew Henson come to mind).
I hope he IS there and has to pitch against us in another big game!

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Actually, Henson had to give back 12 of his 17 million because he opted for the NFL, but that's beside the point. I'm sure they'd be willing to eat half of that. He may be a deal for someone. He did strike out 85 and walk 32. 10 wins in 22 starts and an era right around 4.
theycallmemattmo
Nov 11 2004, 04:48 PM
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The Cards and D-backs may be close to a deal that would send young pitchers Dan Haren, Kiko Calero and or Rick Ankiel to Arizona for SP Randy Johnson.
http://msn.foxsports.com/story/3147160Those pitchers are obviously something the Yankees don't have, and this is one of the better deals that I have seen for Johnson. Haren pitched very well against the Sox in the WS and looks to be a good player down the road, Calero is an otherwise solid reliever and Ankiel has tremedous upside, and he is can be flexable, used as a starter or short reliever or closer. I would think that the DBacks would be looking for more offense though, but they might be able to attain that through FA.
Caspir
Nov 11 2004, 04:49 PM
I like Ankiel a lot, and feel he could be a very good pitcher if he can come back. That's quite the package, and the Cards are obviously in GFIN mode now that they've smelled the WS. Good trade for both sides IMO.
bigbilly
Nov 11 2004, 05:20 PM
This is from the same article:
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MID-WEEK UPDATE: The Yankees are now angling for a trade for Randy Johnson. A potential three-way may involve the A's and could see SP Mark Redman and prospects wind up in Arizona.
thanman2
Nov 11 2004, 05:50 PM
If I'm the DBacks I take the trio of Cardinals youngsters over Redman. But leave it to Beane to turn a trade scenario into a three-way in order to load up on prospects...
JohntheBaptist
Nov 11 2004, 06:23 PM
Danny Haren was the pitcher that looked best against us in the Series. Plus fastball, good split, and he's young. And Ankiel/ Calero? That's two promising future starters and a very good RH setup man.
Do it.
Chillin with Schillin
Nov 11 2004, 06:47 PM
yeah, but would RJ waive his no-trade clause to go to St. Louis? If he goes anywhere, I see him staying in the southwest(LA/ANA) or NY, but then again, that's just me.
yanksno1
Nov 11 2004, 08:59 PM
QUOTE(Chillin with Schillin @ Nov 11 2004, 06:44 PM)
yeah, but would RJ waive his no-trade clause to go to St. Louis? If he goes anywhere, I see him staying in the southwest(LA/ANA) or NY, but then again, that's just me.
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I think after last year he'd consider waiving it in a heart beat to go to a contender after he lost out in going to LA.
SoxFan24
Nov 17 2004, 07:13 PM
boy, i can't imagine the d'backs turning this one down. i think ankiel will be great one day, if his control can stay with him. the d'backs bring in three good young guys while dumping salary. i would be on my knees begging johnson to go to the cards if i was the d'backs owner.
Pedrozma
Nov 21 2004, 11:27 AM
i've followed these guys from the minors
Ankiel = ? could be middle of rotation, could be bust
Calero = stud middle reliever, possible closer
Haren = future #2 in rotation
Ted
Bozzs
Nov 28 2004, 10:40 AM
been awfully quiet from the rumor mill about RJ and the Yankees could be a dead issue AGAIN...makes me wonder how much longer he will be pitching ....
maybe the sox could get him
SoxFan24
Nov 28 2004, 10:44 AM
I hope you're not serious. There is no way he will be in Boston, nor do I want him in Boston. We would be giving up top prospects for a 41 year old.
Bozzs
Nov 28 2004, 10:45 AM
QUOTE(SoxFan24 @ Nov 28 2004, 10:41 AM)
I hope you're not serious. There is no way he will be in Boston, nor do I want him in Boston. We would be giving up top prospects for a 41 year old.
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Relax Im kidding notice the smileys !:)
nomore1918
Nov 28 2004, 12:22 PM
Let them Randy Johnson and whoever else they want. It wont make them any more likely to win and it will just make it that much more ridiculous when we beat them again next year!!!
Caspir
Nov 28 2004, 12:40 PM
QUOTE(nomore1918 @ Nov 28 2004, 12:19 PM)
Let them Randy Johnson and whoever else they want. It wont make them any more likely to win and it will just make it that much more ridiculous when we beat them again next year!!!
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Umm, no. If they get RJ, Beltran, etc, it does make them more likely to win. Otherwise no FA's would get signed by anybody.
O'Leary's Bat
Dec 1 2004, 02:46 PM
BDD reporting the yanks are gonna get RJ. Deal to be announced next week apparently. Any additional details would be appreciated.
QUOTE(bostondirtdogs.com)
Yankees feeling randy after Sox World Series Win
According to a Boston Dirt Dogs source, the New York Yankees will acquire Diamondbacks pitcher Randy Johnson (should be next week) in exchange for starting pitcher Javier Vazquez, third-base prospect Eric Duncan, $4M per year, plus a "yet-to-be-determined part, either a new pitcher the Yankees acquire or, less likely, set-up man Tom Gordon."
mvp wakefield
Dec 1 2004, 08:20 PM
they can have johnson. i don't want johnson. he's been tearing it up in the NL for 8 seasons but now has to deal with real hitting, especially sox hitting. add in the knee problems. they can have him. i can't believe they'd give up vasquez.
Edmund Dantes
Dec 1 2004, 08:23 PM
Here's an interesting article. Just goes to show don't believe anything until they are signed sealed and delivered.
http://msn.foxsports.com/story/3208792Intro Paragraphs
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The Yankees, unwilling to meet Arizona's current trade demands for left-hander Randy Johnson, have broken off talks with Arizona, The Sporting News has learned.
The abrupt shift by the Yankees might only be a ploy to create leverage in future discussions. But for now, the Yankees will shift their focus to free-agent pitchers — including, perhaps, right-hander Pedro Martinez.
The Diamondbacks, in turn, could play their own form of hardball with Johnson, threatening to keep him unless he waives his no-trade clause for another team.
The Yankees are believed to be Johnson's first choice. However, the Red Sox, Angels, Cardinals, White Sox also are interested in Johnson. The Diamondbacks, still reeling from their ill-fated trade of right-hander Curt Schilling and acquisition of first baseman Richie Sexson last off-season, are trying to exact a high price from the Yankees. Yankees right-hander Javier Vazquez is at the center of the package that Arizona would receive.
If the Yankees are indeed serious abandoning their quest for Johnson, their free-agent pursuits could include not just Martinez, but also left-handers Eric Milton and Al Leiter and right-handers Carl Pavano, Jaret Wright and Jon Lieber. They likely would add one of those pitchers even if they acquired Johnson.
Still a possibility. Probably by tomorrow they will be back on. Maybe the hot stove will start to get warmer soon.
Tyrone Biggums
Dec 1 2004, 08:27 PM
Apparently MLB.com said this is the trade demand, Gammons kind of got this one right.
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A baseball official told MLB.com that Arizona is asking for Javier Vazquez and cash considerations to put toward his three-year, $34.5 million contract, as well as prospects Eric Duncan and Chien-Ming Wang. In addition to the three players and the cash, Arizona wants the Yankees to deal for one of Oakland's "Big Three" of Barry Zito, Tim Hudson and Mark Mulder, and include that pitcher in the trade as well.
Unit price is high
mclusky
Dec 1 2004, 09:07 PM
QUOTE(Tyrone Biggums @ Dec 1 2004, 08:24 PM)
Apparently MLB.com said this is the trade demand, Gammons kind of got this one right.
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Yowzer. Nice for Diamondback fans that Joe G is learning after getting burned a bit on the Curt Schilling deal.
Thurm13
Dec 1 2004, 09:20 PM
Jayson Stark is reporting the same thing on ESPN.com
Yanks no long into RJ
maybe Georgie'll realize he can't have everything he wants...without a toll. I hope that they do get him, and destroy what little is left of their farm system
JamieNYY
Dec 2 2004, 12:14 AM
Get the feeling AZ doesn't want him to be on the yanks?
From:
http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/...s_mlb&fext=.jsp>>Arizona was asking New York for a package which included Javier Vazquez, Tom Gordon, prospects Eric Duncan and Chien-Ming Wang, another prospect and cash considerations between $12-20 million. The Diamondbacks also asked the Yankees to acquire another pitcher from a list of 10 -- Oakland's Tim Hudson and Barry Zito, Florida's A.J. Burnett, Detroit's Jeremy Bonderman, Toronto's Ted Lilly, Los Angeles' Edwin Jackson, Tampa Bay's Scott Kazmir, Colorado's Shawn Chacon and Jason Jennings, and Texas' Kenny Rogers -- to include in the deal as well.<<
Damn thats a steep price for one pitcher. Hopefully cooler heads will prevail in Tampa! Some of the guys on the 'possible list of players Tampa required the Yanks to grab and turn over' are probably better bets for a long term contract, (and long term help) than 41 year old Randy Johnson. No offense to him, he's great and all but I am sick and tired of George coveting guys, mainly pitchers, past their primes!
StuckInChiTown
Dec 2 2004, 10:47 AM
So what's the deal? The D'Backs are trying to make up for past bad deals by asking too much for RJ now? Pay him his "budgeted" 16 million and go finish 72 games out.
Manny's ps2
Dec 2 2004, 10:49 AM
I think it's clear that AZ will only deal with the MFY if they can stick it to Georgie. We scored Schilling for a hell of a lot less than AZ wanted from the MFY....
mattyredsox
Dec 2 2004, 10:40 PM
MFYs pull out of RJ talksThe Yankees have said that they will no longer persue RJ.
Kid T
Dec 2 2004, 11:30 PM
QUOTE(mattyredsox @ Dec 2 2004, 07:37 PM)
MFYs pull out of RJ talksThe Yankees have said that they will no longer persue RJ.
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um, thanks I guess the immediate preceding half-dozen posts didn't make that clear.
hytem
Dec 2 2004, 11:41 PM
Looks like the DBacks really don't want to deal with NY--
based on the asking price.
A bit ridiculous considering what they traded Schilling for last year.
The Yankees are being made to look like a bunch of fools--having
to trade for another pitcher, etc.
Johnson will give you one good year for sure, but after that, it's hard
to say...42? look at Kevin Brown.
I'm guessing Cashman isn't involved in this one.
I also think the luster of that Yankee uniform has been tarnished
by the success of the Red Sox--and could make a difference in
who gets whom in the FA market.
Shrek
Dec 3 2004, 04:49 PM
QUOTE(hytem @ Dec 2 2004, 11:38 PM)
Looks like the DBacks really don't want to deal with NY--
based on the asking price.
A bit ridiculous considering what they traded Schilling for last year.
The Yankees are being made to look like a bunch of fools--having
to trade for another pitcher, etc.
Johnson will give you one good year for sure, but after that, it's hard
to say...42? look at Kevin Brown.
I'm guessing Cashman isn't involved in this one.
I also think the luster of that Yankee uniform has been tarnished
by the success of the Red Sox--and could make a difference in
who gets whom in the FA market.
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First of all, don't forget about the prospect (forget his name) that they acquired in the Schilling deal who they traded for Richie Sexson. The trade was supposed to be Schilling for Sexson and some extras when all was said and done.
Second, don't think for a minute that players won't go to the Yanks b/c of the Sox success. Money talks- players will usually go wherever they can get the most money.
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