Has anyone heard that there are concerns that Nick Johnson could fail his physical on his hand and could nix Vasquez trade???
Wouldn't that be sweet!
Full Version: The A-Rod files
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QUOTE(Khross @ Dec 15 2003, 03:09 PM)
If Gammons is right about this 36 hour prediction then we can finally move on, start resigning, and fine tuning for next year.
... and Gammons can start making his dentist appointments.
QUOTE(staz @ Dec 15 2003, 03:14 PM)
QUOTE(Khross @ Dec 15 2003, 03:09 PM)
If Gammons is right about this 36 hour prediction then we can finally move on, start resigning, and fine tuning for next year.
... and Gammons can start making his dentist appointments.
Good old Gasbag.......
At least he's entertaining.
Gammons job is no more difficult than any other reporters. He simply has to take the information, varify it, process it and determine how accurate it may be and what to report as fact.
Gammons has gotten into the habit of "sensationalism". Why on Friday, when most reporters were (apparently correctly) saying that talks have cooled, and it might not be workable...did he report "THE DEAL IS DEAD...AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN!!!!!"
That is the difference. Why today isn't he saying, talks are heating up? No he comes out with "DONE DEAL...AROD TO BOSTON IN 36 HOURS".
Now which is it. He spoke both HEADLINES with equal conviction.
rsb
Gammons has gotten into the habit of "sensationalism". Why on Friday, when most reporters were (apparently correctly) saying that talks have cooled, and it might not be workable...did he report "THE DEAL IS DEAD...AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN!!!!!"
That is the difference. Why today isn't he saying, talks are heating up? No he comes out with "DONE DEAL...AROD TO BOSTON IN 36 HOURS".
Now which is it. He spoke both HEADLINES with equal conviction.
rsb
Well I guess I'm a sucker because I was starting to believe, happily, that this A-Rod deal wasn't going to happen. Now it sounds like it is. I don't think it's a good move for the Sox but maybe I'm not seeing the whole picture. I just don't believe losing Manny and Nomar and replacing them with A-Rod (who, in a small sample size, doesn't hit well in Fenway) and the many mentioned acquisitions from the Nomar trade strengthens this year's team. I've loved the additions to the pitching staff and felt that those additions, to last year's team, put this team over the top. Now I feel like we're weakening this year's team offensively; even if the improved pitching makes up for it. I guess I'm just not that much of an A-Rod fan. And I certainly hope the Sox don't pay the $3-$5 million per year of Manny's contract; that would be foolish.
Kurt
Kurt
I didn't mean to come across as implying that the person's source isn't credible. I just find it odd that his remark came after the Gammons interview on The Dan Patrick Show and it fit the time parameters that Gammons had set. I just find it iffy. Then again, no one thought it was really Schill on the net a few weeks ago. I looked at the post as convienent timing. In any event, I hope this deal gets done or shelved soon so everyone can move on. 
They ought to have Saddam's trial at yankee stadium and have the jury be all the fans of NY. Then carry out the sentence on air. Make it pay per view and have all proceeds go to the families of the victims. What do you think? As a sox fan I would go and buy it on Pay per View.
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They ought to have Saddam's trial at yankee stadium and have the jury be all the fans of NY. Then carry out the sentence on air. Make it pay per view and have all proceeds go to the families of the victims. What do you think? As a sox fan I would go and buy it on Pay per View.
are you on drugs?
Nope. Why?
According to Ordway, Theo and the trio, John Hart have all left New Orleans and are going home.
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They ought to have Saddam's trial at yankee stadium and have the jury be all the fans of NY. Then carry out the sentence on air. Make it pay per view and have all proceeds go to the families of the victims. What do you think? As a sox fan I would go and buy it on Pay per View.
What victims? The people of Iraq? Iran? Kuwait?
Those are the only real victims of Sadams.
QUOTE(Curts K'man @ Dec 15 2003, 03:43 PM)
According to Ordway, Theo and the trio, John Hart have all left New Orleans and are going home.
Great, Gammo will be on TV soon proclaiming the deal as dead.
if you believe that he wasn't financiing Bin Laden. It would be good for NY both in revenge and $$$
QUOTE(realitycheck @ Dec 15 2003, 03:51 PM)
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They ought to have Saddam's trial at yankee stadium and have the jury be all the fans of NY. Then carry out the sentence on air. Make it pay per view and have all proceeds go to the families of the victims. What do you think? As a sox fan I would go and buy it on Pay per View.
What victims? The people of Iraq? Iran? Kuwait?
Those are the only real victims of Sadams.
Don't hijack the thread, take it to the Saloon and discuss it there please.
Concentrate people, baseball - not politics.
If Theo and gang left for real, does this mean the announcement will be soon that AROD is here?? Or at least that the deal is done finally...
If Theo and gang left for real, does this mean the announcement will be soon that AROD is here?? Or at least that the deal is done finally...
Gammons says the deal is in place. Hinges on A-Rod and the MLBPA. 24 or so hours.
maybe they're all on the plane that jim thome didn't take
From Gasbag, All players in the trade have been agreed upon. Now it's up to the owners. Gasbag tells espnnews to get back to me in a few minutes. Also, Texas has agreed with Todd walker on a 2 year deal. Nomar to LA looks like a go as well.
Even if this is true - It's going to take awhile to be official - Let the leaks flow
ESPN just updated their Winter Meetings updates page...
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A-Rod update: Here's what we know about the Alex Rodriguez trade talks:
The Red Sox and Rangers are actively talking about this again, and a source tells Peter Gammons the owners have edged closer -- and it's possible the deal could be completed in the next 24-72 hours.
It isn't known whether the Rangers would still receive cash in the deal, along with Manny Ramirez. That apparently will be determined by whether Rodriguez agrees to restructure his contract.
Depending on how much cash is involved, the Red Sox will also send one or two prospects to Texas.
Miguel Tejada's contract (six years, $72 million) essentially ended the Red Sox negotiations with Nomar Garciaparra on an extension, because the Red Sox apparently weren't prepared to pay Garciaparra significantly more than what Tejada got (meaning Garciaparra is still looking for $15 million a year).
So the Red Sox have resumed exploring possible trade destinations for Garciaparra -- with the Dodgers still the most logical destination.
The Red Sox and Rangers are actively talking about this again, and a source tells Peter Gammons the owners have edged closer -- and it's possible the deal could be completed in the next 24-72 hours.
It isn't known whether the Rangers would still receive cash in the deal, along with Manny Ramirez. That apparently will be determined by whether Rodriguez agrees to restructure his contract.
Depending on how much cash is involved, the Red Sox will also send one or two prospects to Texas.
Miguel Tejada's contract (six years, $72 million) essentially ended the Red Sox negotiations with Nomar Garciaparra on an extension, because the Red Sox apparently weren't prepared to pay Garciaparra significantly more than what Tejada got (meaning Garciaparra is still looking for $15 million a year).
So the Red Sox have resumed exploring possible trade destinations for Garciaparra -- with the Dodgers still the most logical destination.
FWIW, theyre kicking back to Gasbag on ESPNnews after commercial break
Walker to Texas?I wonder if that might make Michael Young available. 
QUOTE(Curts K'man @ Dec 15 2003, 03:43 PM)
According to Ordway, Theo and the trio, John Hart have all left New Orleans and are going home.
The real issue should be if Arod was leaving today as well and which plane was he on? hmmmm just wondering.....36 hours, 24-72 hours........ahhhh just let us know!
gammons coming on espn again soon, yes players are all set, texas , boston and the dodgers in place.
texas did get 2 yr contract with todd walker but must wait 24 TO 72 hrs OR LESS TILL AROD DEAL IS DONE.
AROD WANTS IT DONE
AROD WANTS BOSTON
COMING SOON TO REDSOX AROD VERY CLOSE
JUST FINISHING THE AROD ADJUSTMENTS W MLPA.
HENRY- HICKS TOUCHES
texas did get 2 yr contract with todd walker but must wait 24 TO 72 hrs OR LESS TILL AROD DEAL IS DONE.
AROD WANTS IT DONE
AROD WANTS BOSTON
COMING SOON TO REDSOX AROD VERY CLOSE
JUST FINISHING THE AROD ADJUSTMENTS W MLPA.
HENRY- HICKS TOUCHES
Gammo on right now:
It is very close. Rangers officials were set to leave but huddled w/ Walker's agent on the way to their car. (Put Walker at second, Young at short).
Manny and pitching prospects to Texas for A Rod.
Hinges on how amenable A Rod is to restructure his contract. But since, according to Gammo, A Rod's been driving this train, he'll do what he has to do.
Dodgers and Red Sox know what it will take to ship Nomar to LA. That will happen once the A Rod thing goes down. 24-72 hours is the timeframe. Gammo believes LA will send Boston "one pitcher and prospects." Tejada's signing was the fly in the ointment (As an aside from me, could Balto possibly have driven up Tejada's salary knowing it might get Nomar/Manny out of the AL East?)
It is very close. Rangers officials were set to leave but huddled w/ Walker's agent on the way to their car. (Put Walker at second, Young at short).
Manny and pitching prospects to Texas for A Rod.
Hinges on how amenable A Rod is to restructure his contract. But since, according to Gammo, A Rod's been driving this train, he'll do what he has to do.
Dodgers and Red Sox know what it will take to ship Nomar to LA. That will happen once the A Rod thing goes down. 24-72 hours is the timeframe. Gammo believes LA will send Boston "one pitcher and prospects." Tejada's signing was the fly in the ointment (As an aside from me, could Balto possibly have driven up Tejada's salary knowing it might get Nomar/Manny out of the AL East?)
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A-Rod update: Here's what we know about the Alex Rodriguez trade talks:
The Red Sox and Rangers are actively talking about this again, and a source tells Peter Gammons the owners have edged closer -- and it's possible the deal could be completed in the next 24-72 hours.
The Red Sox and Rangers are actively talking about this again, and a source tells Peter Gammons the owners have edged closer -- and it's possible the deal could be completed in the next 24-72 hours.
Don't get too excited or too despondent (depending on your point of view). There's still plenty of time for the deal to fall apart.
The X factor is the Player's Association ... they could still throw a monkey wrench into the works by making a big stink about ARod restructuring his contract.
Jim D.
Gammons: Dodgers have the Sox over the barrel on this one regarding Nomar.
I am now convinced that our negotiators havie brillantly been using ARod to get Nomar's agent off the stupid 60 mil 4 year contract. The more they realize that Hicks will give in on the 5 million any minute now they will sign at our figure which is not so bad after looking at Tajeda contract
QUOTE(kgunder @ Dec 15 2003, 03:23 PM)
I just don't believe losing Manny and Nomar and replacing them with A-Rod (who, in a small sample size, doesn't hit well in Fenway) and the many mentioned acquisitions from the Nomar trade strengthens this year's team.
Manny had average numbers at Fenway prior to coming to the Sox.
What kind of offense the Sox will have can't be predicted, until the Sox find a second baseman and a leftfielder. If they replace Manny and Walker with say an above average leftfielder and second baseman, the Sox may actually end up with an even better lineup for 2004.
QUOTE(Bobby Doerr @ Dec 15 2003, 04:10 PM)
Walker to Texas?I wonder if that might make Michael Young available.
According to Gammons, Texas would move Michael Young to SS and put Walker at second.
Think of the marketing possibilites for Todd!
"Walker Texas Ranger" mechandise will be flying off the shelves!
"Walker Texas Ranger" mechandise will be flying off the shelves!
QUOTE(Khross @ Dec 15 2003, 04:21 PM)
Think of the marketing possibilites for Todd!
"Walker Texas Ranger" mechandise will be flying off the shelves!
"Walker Texas Ranger" mechandise will be flying off the shelves!
Thats very clever marketing, Khross. I like it
I still think the Nomar deal to LA should be for O Perez and spin him to TB for Huff. Ive read theyre having trouble signing him, and with the addition of Cruz, they have an OF in th wings- they need pitching now. Any comments on the likelihood/ interest on such a trade?
If we are going to deal with L.A. then it PITCHING, PITCHING, PITCHING AND MORE PITCHING to go after. We so not need bats and there is always a good glove around for second base.
"Texas would move Michael Young to SS and put Walker at second."
I suppose anything is possible, but this would the team with the worst pitching in the league seriously downgrading their defense.
I suppose anything is possible, but this would the team with the worst pitching in the league seriously downgrading their defense.
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I suppose anything is possible, but this would the team with the worst pitching in the league seriously downgrading their defense.
this is texas, hicks youre talking about. are you surprised?
So anyone know some good LA prospects??
IF we get OPerez, please someone explain to me WHY we would NOT keep him??? Young southpaw, w/ alot of potential...PLUS would it not be nice to have 1 LHP in the starting rotation??
Keep OPerez, trade BHK for Huff.
Take a shot at Robbie Alomar w/ a 1 yr deal.
IF we get OPerez, please someone explain to me WHY we would NOT keep him??? Young southpaw, w/ alot of potential...PLUS would it not be nice to have 1 LHP in the starting rotation??
Keep OPerez, trade BHK for Huff.
Take a shot at Robbie Alomar w/ a 1 yr deal.
QUOTE(NJSoxFan @ Dec 15 2003, 04:33 PM)
So anyone know some good LA prospects??
IF we get OPerez, please someone explain to me WHY we would NOT keep him??? Young southpaw, w/ alot of potential...PLUS would it not be nice to have 1 LHP in the starting rotation??
Keep OPerez, trade BHK for Huff.
IF we get OPerez, please someone explain to me WHY we would NOT keep him??? Young southpaw, w/ alot of potential...PLUS would it not be nice to have 1 LHP in the starting rotation??
Keep OPerez, trade BHK for Huff.
It better be either Greg Miller or Edwin Jackson!!
QUOTE(JohntheBaptist @ Dec 15 2003, 04:32 PM)
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I suppose anything is possible, but this would the team with the worst pitching in the league seriously downgrading their defense.
this is texas, hicks youre talking about. are you surprised?
... Good point John. I wonder how the heck Hicks was able to make his money. Anyone have any magic beans we can sell him?
The Dodgers reportedly have no interest in letting go for Jackson under any circumstance. Not sure I heard the same thing about Miller but there was a comment about how their top pitching prospects were extremely valuable to them and so on.
This deal just had to go.
It's the perfect deal for both teams.
Can you imagine two teams trading superstars
and BOTH teams saving money?
That defies conservation laws.
It's the perfect deal for both teams.
Can you imagine two teams trading superstars
and BOTH teams saving money?
That defies conservation laws.
QUOTE(NJSoxFan @ Dec 15 2003, 04:33 PM)
Keep OPerez, trade BHK for Huff.
Huff is a great hitter but that would make the line up being too left handed. We will need another right handed hitter.
Is it me or do others think if this trade does go down that it will effect Ortiz greatly without Nomar and Manny in the line up and just ARod in reurn?
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Huff is a great hitter but that would make the line up being too left handed. We will need another right handed hitter.
V L A D D Y
I think it will effect Ortiz depending on who they get to play 2nd and left field. Fill those spots with mediocre players offensivley then we could be less powerful hitters.
QUOTE(Curts K'man @ Dec 15 2003, 04:39 PM)
QUOTE(NJSoxFan @ Dec 15 2003, 04:33 PM)
Keep OPerez, trade BHK for Huff.
Huff is a great hitter but that would make the line up being too left handed. We will need another right handed hitter.
Is it me or do others think if this trade does go down that it will effect Ortiz greatly without Nomar and Manny in the line up and just ARod in reurn?
Too many lefties is better than too many righties
Almost 5 o'clock time for
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IF we get OPerez, please someone explain to me WHY we would NOT keep him??? Young southpaw, w/ alot of potential...PLUS would it not be nice to have 1 LHP in the starting rotation??
Keep OPerez, trade BHK for Huff.
Keep OPerez, trade BHK for Huff.
would TB do that? i agree, perez would be a nice have, but hes more palatable to TB for those same reasons in getting Huff. In the end, theyd have far less use for a RH closer/starter with questionable makeup (something i dont agree with) than for a Young southpaw w alot of pontential. I could be VERY wrong, but if you want to make sure you trade for a sure thing in LF, a truly great hitter, you get perez and spin him to TB for Huff. After all, were not eactly hurting for pitching.
No doubt we need another hitter in this lineup. You can not lose your 3 and 4 hitters and replace them with 1 #4 hitter.
QUOTE(Khross @ Dec 15 2003, 04:21 PM)
Think of the marketing possibilites for Todd!
"Walker Texas Ranger" mechandise will be flying off the shelves!
"Walker Texas Ranger" mechandise will be flying off the shelves!
He's one of the Posse.
He'll fit right in in Texas.
I'm sure the Sox wish they could have signed him
for what Texas will sign him.
Bellhorn's 2002 numbers indicate he has Posse potential.
QUOTE(NJSoxFan @ Dec 15 2003, 04:40 PM)
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Huff is a great hitter but that would make the line up being too left handed. We will need another right handed hitter.
V L A D D Y
That's what I would do and move Nixon to LF.
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but if you want to make sure you trade for a sure thing in LF, a truly great hitter, you get perez and spin him to TB for Huff. After all, were not eactly hurting for pitching.
We are not, TB is though. BHK is 24 [25?] and has a ton of potential himself, and dead nasty stuff. Pitching in TB in front of 2,000 people could do him some good.
I would rather see him go before Williamson or OPerez [assuming he is the P from LA]
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