Oh yeah, it was planned. Millar being interviewed on ESPN was no accident.

the millar interview was amaaaaaaazing ... he didn't bash anyone..and praised nomar and manny.. but talked as if it's 100% done.. he was talking about how the LA fans will love nomar, etc... and that's he excited to play with the greatest player in the game....

i can't imagine sox management is happy about this... but hey.... he's kevin millar.. he's all crazy cowboy'n up... what else would you expect...

I was blown away by the Millar interview. That sealed it in my mind that it was over.

Thanks for the memories, Nomar. Bittersweet.

My guess is that the Sox brass plotted this interview to ease our minds about the disruption of "clubhouse chemistry."

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I could have sworn that I read some accounts of the trade that say a deal was struck for A-Rod/Manny, with Texas getting the prospects we would get from L.A. Is this true? If so, A-Rod notwithstanding, this is a stupid trade. That hillbilly is saving $90 billion dollars. If we get prospects for Nomar, we damn well better keep them.

With that aside, if it's an even swap, I couldn't be happier. This poster will miss Nomar a great deal, and Manny as well. But A-Rod is going to bring so many (dare I say it?) intangibles to this team.

And the Yankees are not a good team this year. Steinbrenner can continue his financial masturbation, but it won't stack up to Theo's team.

EDIT: Um, I meant $90 million. Sorry for my Dr. Evil moment there.

I'm very curious to see what the final terms of this deal are. I truly truly hope that it isn't Arod for Manny and the prospects we get for Nomar. But I trust managment so I will go along with what they do until I am givin a reason not to. Then again, the lamb followed the wolf and by the time he realized the wolf was untrustworthy he was dinner. Not comparing mangment to a wolf (unless the sheep are the other MLB teams) just sayin though.

Though I didn't see the Millar interview, I'd hate to be Millar should this deal somehow not go through. That being said, I just hope there's finally some closure in the next couple days, and I finally think it's going to happen.

Thursday at 4.

Man, this is so Price is Right.

BTW, yazislookingbackitsgone...Yes, the Red Sox were within 5 outs of getting to the World Series. But standing still gets you nowhere. If you think getting Schilling and Foulke will make all the difference while the MFYs pick up Vazquez, Brown, and Sheffield, then by all means, go ahead and hope that the ARod trade doesn't get through. The rest of us realize that a team that stays put wins nothing. Just ask the Mariners at mid-season of last season, or Anaheim of all last year. 5 outs is not justification for anything. A team is obligated to its fan base (if it wants to keep it) to constantly improve the team.

Word has it that ESPN radio 1000 in Chicago is reporting Williamson has been traded to the White Sox for prospects. Anyone else hear this?

Respected on that board translates a little different here. I'd rather laugh at ESPN.com trolls than spend time at SOSH.

Oh no do I hope this is not true. Oh please don't be true. It's the start of a damn revolution in which Sox players are falling all over the place. At least if Williamson is on the block, get a damn OF'er. For the love of God noooooooooooo.

Perhaps the prospects from the Williamson trade go to Texas, rather than Greg Miller or the other prospects from the Nomar trade?

The White Sox have some good prospects, not a great system but they have some players of interest, most notably OF Jeremy Reed. Doubt he'd be available for Williamson, though.

Respected? How do they defined respected? Are they creating a new secret society? Maybe we should create our own?

I'll believe this deal is done when I see ARod holding up a Red Sox jersey in front of a crowd of microphones.

And I 'll let you all know if I feel like toasting anyone after I see who the Sox are getting .... and more importantly, keeping ... besides ARod.

Jim D.

Perhaps those prospects will get us a second baseman or a leftfielder, if the ARod/Manny deal gets done as expected.

dont mock ESPN.

I have 4000 posts there.

One of the prospects is reportedly Arnaldo Muñoz.

From Baseball America:



EDIT: add BA quote

I am holding strong on my tomorrow at 4 guess, because everything weve read has said that the last sticking point is A-Rods contract, and they were in NYC today working that out. So if thats been worked out today (no reason to believe it hasnt) then it stands to reason it could come about by tomorrow. The Millar thing was crazy- CRAZY. I gotta believe he wouldnt be dumb enough to pop off like that without feeling reasonably certain its bee decided. I mean really, if Millar was so anti- Manny, he would have said it last year when Our Boy Wonder wouldnt come off the bench in Philly. Millar's outspoken, but he certainly strikes me as a guy thatd never sell out a teammate, especially Nomar. I remember a story last year that Nomar toold Millar, "Look for me at the All Star game. If I'm wearing my socks high, it means I'm thinking of you." I think Millar knows its been finalized.

Whether this deal is done or not still does remian to be seen, however I must address the possibility of Nomar's exeunt. Nomar is our loved one. He is the Red Sox. He is our boy. He is the one who is always cheered and never booed, even when he does pop-up in clutch situations. The chant of "Nomaaaaaa" or "MVP" reverberating off the green walls of Fenway.

If and when his time here in Boston comes to an end, we have only Dan Duquette to thank for that, because it was his hamstringing of the franchise with the Manny Ramirez contract that forced this move by Theo/Henry/Lucc/Werner et al. They are boldly trying to improve the franchise and bring us our World Championship and for that they are to be applauded!

That is all!

Honestly, I'm sad to see Nomar go, but then again I have to think that if Millar said all those things about A-Rod then it's time that the Sox have that player that puts them over the top, a clubhouse leader. I truly believe that is Nomar would have been a leader he would not be traded. I still look at how Ripkin was treated in Baltimore. He might have been treated like an icon, but he deserved it because of all the positive things he did for his team and for the community.

I wish Nomar all the best in LA and maybe he'll learn from this experience that he should be more of a leader and also not show so must negativity toward the media if he wants them to stand behind him.


Anyone getting ready to buy A-Rod's jersey yet?

Haha, I'm not mocking ESPN, I have 6400 myself just on the Sox board.!

What if you get hit by a bus tomorrow? Stop being such a Chicken Little and just revel in the upgrade of an already-championship calibre team. This is a great moment in Sox history. Enjoy it already!

I really hope so. Logically, you'd think the Sox intend to keep the top tier prospects they get for Nomar.

Ah, good old TM2, whose mission of joy spreads throughout the galaxy...

what name do you post under?

Man i would really like to see a member of the redsox team come in and post a couple of their thoughts !!!

beantown78,

Nah ... all the SOSHers are trying to do is keep the discourse on their board at a high level. Many of them take their statistics seriously ... as Projo's Art Martone said, you'd better bring your fastball there. So they're picky about who they let on the board. That's their prerogative. It's also a great place to lurk and read some terrific (and damn funny) Red Sox analysis and talk.

This board is an outgrowth of the 'Your Turn' board at Projo.com - Kevin started Royal Rooters after a bunch of us got sick of all the Yankee trolls who were overrunning what is otherwise a great online community of Red Sox fans. We're trying to keep the trolls out here, and also limit those who are crude, immature or otherwise fail to bring anything to the table (and drive good posters away when they get sick of their inane banter). We don't have too many rules here, but we do ask posters to respect the ones we do have (click here) (or risk getting 'bounced').

Other than that, all we ask is that you practice 'The Joy of Sox' :eek .

Jim D.

I can't even believe how excited I am by this. If you were going to tell me that going into next season, you could have Alex Rodriguez, Curt Schilling, Keith Foulke, 2B x and LF x (who I have complete faith will be a definitely apt replacement) and it would cost Manny Ramirez, Nomar Garciaparra, Kim or Willy and Todd Walker I'd start crying I was so happy and do it in a second. Come on people, this is an ENORMOUS step towards a World Series, and the most significant one Boston Red Sox management has EVER made (true, this could be argued. but i cant think of anything bigger.)

That said, I too will miss Nomar. Come on, he was a fun player to watch, he did always give 100%. I spent more man hours arguing Nomar's value over Jeter's (theres no comparison) than Id care to admit- so I'm not bootkicking kim out of town in my mind cos i think he "deserves it" or cos i think his career over. Thats all specualtive. I am just keenly aware of how much better we are getting with A-Rod, and I'm very excited.

Id also like to say about Manny- I absolutely loved him. He had his moments, but honestly, I didnt care. He was so good, so badass, such a sure thing at the plate that I'll never forget him. I remember being so excited when he was signed (not relizing how bad his contract was) and standing there at his second game at Fenway and literally standing on my feet with a packed house over an inconsequential first inning at bat in early April against TB. He was a truly electric hitter, someone I know will thrive wherever he goes because, like Ted WIlliams, he does one thing well, and he does it better than almost anyone on earth. To me, theres something deeply endearing about that, even all his goofiness considered.

So, g'bye Nomie and Manny. Welcome A-Rod. How bout them Red Sox!! (I just rolled my eyes at my own post)

I just got a mental image of that ... and it wasn't pretty.

righto... I know who you are.
I'm redsoxmania13 there too...

Creative, I know.

Ive got the Trade being announced at 4pm Eastern time Thursday.

I think it would be great if we land Kearns or Huff to Replace Manny.

If you read the whole post I said I was only playing devil's advocate and believe the deal is done and good so basicly you didn't read the whole post or half assedly (not a word) quoted me. I've been wanting this trade for a long time but now I am less for it then ever before because it looks like the return on Nomar is even less then we expected (which was already low) and the prospects we receive may be spun to Tex anyways. And regardless of what we get in return, losing a franchise player like Nomar is never a great moment in history. The only great moment in Sox history to be had is a WS chamionship before my grandchildren cash their SS checks. Until then we have accomplished nil. I don't think anyone can objectively be for or against the trade until we see where all the chips fall, who comes who goes in the aftermath.

I resemble that remark! I was merely stepping in for mclusky, who was detained by a previous engagement.

not to mention the lost of prolly the best 1 2 punch in baseball if not the best hart of the order weve had in a long time ... lets just hope theos got sumthing up his sleeve to replace that

But we have literally no idea what the return on Nomar will be. There's a world of hair-brained speculation, but hardly even anything that would rise to the level of rumor.

The Globe says there is a deal in place...

"Not to worry, said one major-league executive who has spoken with Sox officials. After the primary components have all been moved, Rodriguez to Boston, Ramirez to Texas, and Garciaparra most likely to the Dodgers, the Sox will set into motion a plan in which they will acquire a first-line outfielder who should help compensate for the loss of Ramirez, who for nearly a decade has been one of baseball's most productive righthanded hitters."

Unless somebody has something more in the way of info than this, I would suggest that we give Theo & co. the benefit of the doubt.

(By the way, great board!)

[quote=Jonnyboy,Dec 16 2003, 08:06 PM] [/QUOTE]
not to mention the lost of prolly the best 1 2 punch in baseball if not the best hart of the order weve had in a long time ... lets just hope theos got sumthing up his sleeve to replace that [/quote]
Absolutely. This isn't time to celebrate, it's time to anticipate. Anticipate what's next, or shall I say, who's next.

A-Rods better!! sounds really good, but i guess that would be overkill cuz everyone knows he's better than jeter.

When we play the MFY, the chant will now be "ARods better".

I really can't believe that this one trade is what's keeping the rest of MLB at a standstill. Seems like the dominos are ready to fall and just waiting for that first one to fall. I'd never thought I would see something like this.

[quote=Monkeyhoot,Dec 16 2003, 08:08 PM] [/QUOTE]
But we have literally no idea what the return on Nomar will be. There's a world of hair-brained speculation, but hardly even anything that would rise to the level of rumor.

The Globe says there is a deal in place...

"Not to worry, said one major-league executive who has spoken with Sox officials. After the primary components have all been moved, Rodriguez to Boston, Ramirez to Texas, and Garciaparra most likely to the Dodgers, the Sox will set into motion a plan in which they will acquire a first-line outfielder who should help compensate for the loss of Ramirez, who for nearly a decade has been one of baseball's most productive righthanded hitters."

Unless somebody has something more in the way of info than this, I would suggest that we give Theo & co. the benefit of the doubt.

(By the way, great board!) [/quote]
This is the reason all along I've said, let's see who patrols the OF next season and who's turning DP's with A Rod at the 2b slot. I just wish there were a way to keep Nomar. That'd be a dream because Manny for A Rod straight up, I love it. I am a big Manny fan but I'm not irrational. But ? marks need to be filled in. I think Theo has a plan, I just hope the plan is executed and we look as potent offensively in the end.

ha chowder i was thinking that but didnt put it only becuase arod is 10 times better then jeter and it would be foolish ...... how bout .... FOULKE IS BETTER

IThat may be true. But at the least, maybe the chant will annoy Jeter, and the swine who invade Fenway to root for the .

From what I've heard (can't recall from where) they don't like eachother at all which is a reason the Yanks backed off any pursuit of him. Don't wanna make the pretty boy Master Card spokesman mad now do they. But I've heard they dislike eachother to some extent. Could be because A Rod dwarfs Jeter in every part of the game. We went from one superior SS to another.

Personally I think it should be "Jeter overrated". That would really drive him nuts.

It had something to do with the fact that A-Rod was not worth the amount of money he signed for. I guess money can drive a wedge between friendship.

IIRC, sometime around the time ARod signed his big deal with the Rangers, he gave an interview (GQ I believe) in which ARod said that despite the World Series rings, Jeter isn't as good as ARod is (paraphrasing big time). Ever since the relationship has been exceptionally cool.

I was merely amused by the juxtaposition of your first few sentences that were frought with needless worry and your subsequent celebration of the deal's apparent consummation. And of course, you now say that you're not that excited by the deal.

It's natural to have conflicting emotions about something of this magnitude, but I am an optimist (a cynical optimist, no less) so I am nothing but happy right now.

There has been a rift reported between the two ex-friends although I am kinda hazy about what caused it, some magazine article where A-Rod "put down" Cap'n Jetes maybe.