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I'll pay 5 to 1 odds on any amount there won't be an announcement before noon tomorrow.
The A's will DEFINTELY offer Foulke arbitration because they have nothing to lose in doing so- theyre offering him the same money hed get in arbitration anyway, and this actually provides them the security of recieving draft picks should he head elsewhere.
QUOTE(Curts K'man @ Dec 5 2003, 11:24 PM)
It's my understanding that the reason Minny unloaded Milton and let Hawkins walk it was going to allow them to sign Guardado.
Pretend you're Guardado, would you rather play for Minnesota or Boston?
Has any club given an inkling of an intrest in Manny......other than Texas?
Let's see.... we give up Manny and Nomar and get Arod and J. Cruz.....
No way. Makes no sense.
I don't see the Manny / Nomar deals need to be directly related. Manny for ARod straight up is a reasonable deal. If Nomar needs to be traded (due to his unwillingness to move away from ss, or $$$) that is a seperate deal in which we need to garner a heck of a lot more than Cruz.
No way. Makes no sense.
I don't see the Manny / Nomar deals need to be directly related. Manny for ARod straight up is a reasonable deal. If Nomar needs to be traded (due to his unwillingness to move away from ss, or $$$) that is a seperate deal in which we need to garner a heck of a lot more than Cruz.
looks like DD's site now shows the Foulke thing not happening before sunday...didn't notice that before (although i am a bit bleary-eyed in the 'hurry up and wait' mode...)
QUOTE(JohntheBaptist @ Dec 5 2003, 11:26 PM)
The A's will DEFINTELY offer Foulke arbitration because they have nothing to lose in doing so- theyre offering him the same money hed get in arbitration anyway, and this actually provides them the security of recieving draft picks should he head elsewhere.
I'm telling you he's going to get more next year with arbitration than he would with the multi year deal the A's are offering. The reason the A's are offering him the deal they are is that they don't want to pay him any more than that. They're n ot going to risk giving him arbitration and having him get more money than they have in their budget to pay him, because if they offer him arbitration he WILL ACCEPT.
QUOTE(Pede @ Dec 5 2003, 11:23 PM)
with all the anticipation in this room right now, I'm thinking it would be a bigger deal than that. A Surprise Maybe? 
I don't know that the anticipation is indicitave of the size of the deal- I think it's more indicitave of that passion that characterizes Red Sox Nation and the anticipation that we all feel for next year. :-) First major snowstorm of the year- time to gather 'round the hot stove!
That being said, I have to say again and agree with you that I would not be surprised in the least if this deal was something that none of us have the faintest clue about right now and that has recieved NO media attention at all.
Assuming that there is a deal, of course. Isn't it a little wierd for something to be going down at 11:30 PM on a Friday night? Are we all SO thirsty for the latest scoop and the start of spring training that we've abandoned all common sense? I'm beginning to wonder if I left my sanity behind when I bought my first baseball hat with a B on it. . .
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It's my understanding that the reason Minny unloaded Milton and let Hawkins walk it was going to allow them to sign Guardado.
Actually, I thought it was my understanding that they freed up the money to sign Stewart first.
11:35 pulse check
Graffanino
Graffanino
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I'm beginning to wonder if I left my sanity behind when I bought my first baseball hat with a B on it. . .
I'm sure you already know the answer to that question, but in case you need assurance, yes, you did leave your sanity behind when you bought that first hat with a "B" on it.
The A's probably put their final offer on the table, which according to rotoworld was the 4 year $25 million offer. Sox can offer more money over 3 years. So it comes down to whether Foulke wants money and the chance to win a world series, or he hates moving and wants another first round loss
QUOTE(johnnys18girl @ Dec 5 2003, 11:29 PM)
Assuming that there is a deal, of course. Isn't it a little wierd for something to be going down at 11:30 PM on a Friday night? Are we all SO thirsty for the latest scoop and the start of spring training that we've abandoned all common sense?
Clever Girl
QUOTE(Rustjive @ Dec 5 2003, 11:32 PM)
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It's my understanding that the reason Minny unloaded Milton and let Hawkins walk it was going to allow them to sign Guardado.
Actually, I thought it was my understanding that they freed up the money to sign Stewart first.
How about both of them?
Hopefully, the "twist" or addition in this prospective deal is a good defensive 2nd baseman. He may have been a clubhouse cancer, but I still look back longingly at Rey Sanchez's tenure in Beantown. Crappy bat, but with the lineup we have, does it really matter?
QUOTE(PTBNL @ Dec 5 2003, 11:26 PM)
Has any club given an inkling of an intrest in Manny......other than Texas?
I haven't seen anything mentioned in the newspapers or online. Most of the teams in the market for hitting can't afford Manny. Still you have to wonder.....
QUOTE(crazy carls agent @ Dec 5 2003, 11:36 PM)
QUOTE(PTBNL @ Dec 5 2003, 11:26 PM)
Has any club given an inkling of an intrest in Manny......other than Texas?
I haven't seen anything mentioned in the newspapers or online. Most of the teams in the market for hitting can't afford Manny. Still you have to wonder.....
Which makes you wonder who's going to shell out the 4/40 5/50 for Pudge next year, heh. Someone needs to tell his agent to stop thinking with his wallet and realize Pudge will only get what the market will bear.
QUOTE(millar goes yard @ Dec 5 2003, 11:35 PM)
Hopefully, the "twist" or addition in this prospective deal is a good defensive 2nd baseman. He may have been a clubhouse cancer, but I still look back longingly at Rey Sanchez's tenure in Beantown. Crappy bat, but with the lineup we have, does it really matter?
Sanchez was what? Clubhouse cancer?
QUOTE(millar goes yard @ Dec 5 2003, 11:35 PM)
Hopefully, the "twist" or addition in this prospective deal is a good defensive 2nd baseman. He may have been a clubhouse cancer, but I still look back longingly at Rey Sanchez's tenure in Beantown. Crappy bat, but with the lineup we have, does it really matter?
Would anyone settle for Rey Sanchez for 2B? With him at 2B in 03, we had two 20 game winners. I agree with you.
Well, how about this?
Sox get ARod, Juan Cruz and Michael Young.
Cubs get Nomar, Sauerbeck, and a Sox prospect.
Rangers get Manny, two Cubs prospects and a Sox prospect.
Sox get ARod, Juan Cruz and Michael Young.
Cubs get Nomar, Sauerbeck, and a Sox prospect.
Rangers get Manny, two Cubs prospects and a Sox prospect.
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11:35 pulse check
Graffanino
Graffanino
Boy would THAT be anti-climactic.... <_<
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Actually, I thought it was my understanding that they freed up the money to sign Stewart first.
How about both of them?
How about both of them?
Agreed.
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Hopefully, the "twist" or addition in this prospective deal is a good defensive 2nd baseman. He may have been a clubhouse cancer, but I still look back longingly at Rey Sanchez's tenure in Beantown. Crappy bat, but with the lineup we have, does it really matter?
Well, it's not huge, but you take out a bat like that and it turns you essentially into an NL team...So I guess we'd be the Braves of last year...
I had heard that one reason they declined on keeping Sanchez is because he was bad news in the clubhouse.... I could be wrong!
Great defense and his bat average was actualy pretty good. F Sanchez would be a nice option.
Tomorrow's Herald also reports Foulke is still several days from deciding.
Danger, danger! Anticipation overload!
This has to be some of the best Hot Stove baseball of all times! ALL TIMES!
The whole Saurbeck having trade value thing really surprises me. If the Cubs somehow gave up Cruz for him.. Well.. We win.
Yankee fans have to be nervous right about now. Not because our Sox are all that much better on paper but that no one really has any clue what will happen next, or when.
This has to be some of the best Hot Stove baseball of all times! ALL TIMES!
The whole Saurbeck having trade value thing really surprises me. If the Cubs somehow gave up Cruz for him.. Well.. We win.
Yankee fans have to be nervous right about now. Not because our Sox are all that much better on paper but that no one really has any clue what will happen next, or when.
There has to be someone in the middle between Walker and Sanchez. Either the limp stick or the weak glove.
I'm telling you, Tony Graffanino. It's Theo's boy.
I'm telling you, Tony Graffanino. It's Theo's boy.
Two stories out tonight that make me think this might actually be ARod.
http://redsox.bostonherald.com/redSox/redS...g?articleid=383
Henry meets with ARod, meaning they would have needed permission from the Rangers and comissioner's office. Definitely means they are pretty damn close. Possibly had something to do with him waiving the no-trade clause and losing the clause when he came to the Sox, the same way they had to do it with Schill.
http://www.foxsports.com/content/view?contentId=1923644
A Ken Rosenthal article saying that if Manny-ARod happens, it will have to happen very soon, as in by Sunday. Mentions winter meetings as the absolute deadline, but Sox want to get it done by Sunday or might just walk away.
Could ARod really be wearing a big B on his hat after midnight? It's a possibility... put two and two together there. Sure as hell ain't no sure thing, but it's a definite, real possibility. First post, btw. Nice site ya got there.
http://redsox.bostonherald.com/redSox/redS...g?articleid=383
Henry meets with ARod, meaning they would have needed permission from the Rangers and comissioner's office. Definitely means they are pretty damn close. Possibly had something to do with him waiving the no-trade clause and losing the clause when he came to the Sox, the same way they had to do it with Schill.
http://www.foxsports.com/content/view?contentId=1923644
A Ken Rosenthal article saying that if Manny-ARod happens, it will have to happen very soon, as in by Sunday. Mentions winter meetings as the absolute deadline, but Sox want to get it done by Sunday or might just walk away.
Could ARod really be wearing a big B on his hat after midnight? It's a possibility... put two and two together there. Sure as hell ain't no sure thing, but it's a definite, real possibility. First post, btw. Nice site ya got there.
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I'm telling you he's going to get more next year with arbitration than he would with the multi year deal the A's are offering. The reason the A's are offering him the deal they are is that they don't want to pay him any more than that. They're n ot going to risk giving him arbitration and having him get more money than they have in their budget to pay him, because if they offer him arbitration he WILL ACCEPT.
First of all, no he isn't going to get more next year, at least not for sure. Theres no sign of the market correcting or a guarantee of Foulke not getting hurt, or sucking. That would be his only incentive for accepting arbitration (which he wouldnt) and I think that would be a foolish gamble, as do many players. Worst case scenario after the A's offer arbitration and he accepts- he accepts, they get him for a year at what theyre offering over FOUR years, and then he either gets cheaper, which is in their favor, or more expensive, in which case they lose him, which is their pattern with relief pitchers anyway. But again, the market is turning DOWN. So Oakland is offering him what theyre offering because they want him for that long, and will offer arbitration as security. It would be really foolish of Foulke to turn down what is it, 29 million over 4 years from the A's and accept one year at 7 mill. thats ridiculous. They WILL offer it and he WONT accept.
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If Nomar needs to be traded (due to his unwillingness to move away from ss, or $$$) that is a seperate deal in which we need to garner a heck of a lot more than Cruz.
Yeah, my speculative proposal assumes at least 2 other prospects are involved with Cruz...probably one of the top 5 Cub pitching prospects (all with #1/#2 starter potential), plus either a second tier pitcher or one player from the group of position players I mentioned (OFs Kelton, Dubois, Jackson, or 2B/3B Brendan Harris).
I suspect that if a three way deal went down, the best fit would be A-Rod, Cruz, and a second tier pitching prospect going to Boston from Chicago. A top pitching prospect (plus maybe a lesser prospect and/or some financial consideration) would go to Texas. Michael Young would go to Boston.
If I really wanted to get confusing, I'd add the Brewers to the mix and have Spivey going to the Red Sox for a Cubs prospect, since the Rangers would probably be very reluctant to give up Young...but I'm going to stick to three teams for now.
**CRAZY THOUGHT ALERT**
Say, for example, this rumored deal tonight is actually Manny for A-Rod. The rumors we've heard is that any such deal wouldn't go down until the winter meetings next week. Well, say Theo and co. actually have an idea in mind where Nomar and A-Rod could co-exist. Perhaps they pull the trigger on the Manny for A-Rod deal a week early, then go down to the winter meetings armed with both Nomar and A-Rod, two of the best shortshops in the game. They pretty much go shopping at that point. Shop them around for the best package in return (Nomar for Pecevial/Donnely/Eckstein, or A-Rod for Gagne). And if they don't get the ideal offer, then hopefully they have a plan B in their pocket for the two...
Just a thought
**END OF CRAZY THOUGHTS**
Say, for example, this rumored deal tonight is actually Manny for A-Rod. The rumors we've heard is that any such deal wouldn't go down until the winter meetings next week. Well, say Theo and co. actually have an idea in mind where Nomar and A-Rod could co-exist. Perhaps they pull the trigger on the Manny for A-Rod deal a week early, then go down to the winter meetings armed with both Nomar and A-Rod, two of the best shortshops in the game. They pretty much go shopping at that point. Shop them around for the best package in return (Nomar for Pecevial/Donnely/Eckstein, or A-Rod for Gagne). And if they don't get the ideal offer, then hopefully they have a plan B in their pocket for the two...
Just a thought
**END OF CRAZY THOUGHTS**
Really, if it turns out to be nothing, DirtDog is not getting a mulligan for making us all look like fools.
Of course, if it does turn out to be an early Christmas, then good for you, DirtDog.
Of course, if it does turn out to be an early Christmas, then good for you, DirtDog.
this is beginning to irk me cuz I'm supposed to have SATs tommorow, yet there hasnt been an announcement on it, so I dont know whether I have it tommorow, and I should go to bed just in case, but I am curious about this imminant deal! ... sorry for the ramblings... 
There's a story in Sat. herald saying ARod has met with JWH.
Here the link http://redsox.bostonherald.com/redSox/redS...g?articleid=383
Here the link http://redsox.bostonherald.com/redSox/redS...g?articleid=383
QUOTE(millar goes yard @ Dec 5 2003, 11:35 PM)
Hopefully, the "twist" or addition in this prospective deal is a good defensive 2nd baseman. He may have been a clubhouse cancer, but I still look back longingly at Rey Sanchez's tenure in Beantown. Crappy bat, but with the lineup we have, does it really matter?
Rey Sanchez, irregardless of the "clubhouse cancer" angle, is one of the worst hitters in MLB. There is no way Theo brings him back as a regular. R.S. is a servicable utility IF, nothing more.
brjones man, good thinking. i like it. id be shocked if the rangers gave up michael young, but goddamnit id be pumped.
We can disagree, but I think having a great glove up the middle is more of a net positive than a good offensive second baseman. Just think how many more games we would've won last year had it not been for inept defense at second base.
QUOTE(millar goes yard @ Dec 5 2003, 11:41 PM)
I had heard that one reason they declined on keeping Sanchez is because he was bad news in the clubhouse.... I could be wrong!
Thats pretty odd. I've never heard anything about this before. Care to ellaborate a bit?
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Also,
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If A-Rod deal is going to happen, it'll happen fast
Ken Rosenthal
If the Red Sox are going to acquire Alex Rodriguez, it could happen quickly, according to sources close to the negotiations.
The Red Sox are pushing for a conclusion to their Rodriguez-for-Manny Ramirez talks by Sunday, the deadline for teams to offer salary arbitration to their free agents. If a trade is not completed by the winter meetings, which open Friday in New Orleans, the Red Sox could move on to other pursuits. A deal is by no means assured: Even though the trade would save the Rangers more than $80 million, they are struggling with whether to exchange Rodriguez, the best player in baseball, for Ramirez, a slugger whose attention often wanders. The Red Sox, meanwhile, aren't certain they are comfortable adding Rodriguez when it would leave them with little room to maneuver under the $120.5 million luxury-tax threshold. In conjunction with acquiring Rodriguez, the Red Sox would trade shortstop Nomar Garciaparra, most likely to the Angels. Garciaparra will earn $11.5 million next season, then become a free agent. A native southern Californian, he likely would be inclined to sign a contract extension with Anaheim. If the Angels sign free-agent righthander Bartolo Colon -- they've reportedly offered him a four-year, $48 million contract -- they would be in position to trade either left-hander Jarrod Washburn or right-hander Ramon Ortiz for Garciaparra. The Red Sox, however, likely would prefer an offensive replacement for Ramirez -- perhaps right fielder Tim Salmon, who is signed for $9.5 million in 2004 and $9.75 million in '05 but possesses full no-trade protection. The Dodgers, another West Coast team interested in Garciaparra, are the front-runner to land Japanese free-agent shortstop Kazuo Matsui, according to one Japanese media outlet. The Mets and Mariners also are pursuing Matsui.
Ken Rosenthal
If the Red Sox are going to acquire Alex Rodriguez, it could happen quickly, according to sources close to the negotiations.
The Red Sox are pushing for a conclusion to their Rodriguez-for-Manny Ramirez talks by Sunday, the deadline for teams to offer salary arbitration to their free agents. If a trade is not completed by the winter meetings, which open Friday in New Orleans, the Red Sox could move on to other pursuits. A deal is by no means assured: Even though the trade would save the Rangers more than $80 million, they are struggling with whether to exchange Rodriguez, the best player in baseball, for Ramirez, a slugger whose attention often wanders. The Red Sox, meanwhile, aren't certain they are comfortable adding Rodriguez when it would leave them with little room to maneuver under the $120.5 million luxury-tax threshold. In conjunction with acquiring Rodriguez, the Red Sox would trade shortstop Nomar Garciaparra, most likely to the Angels. Garciaparra will earn $11.5 million next season, then become a free agent. A native southern Californian, he likely would be inclined to sign a contract extension with Anaheim. If the Angels sign free-agent righthander Bartolo Colon -- they've reportedly offered him a four-year, $48 million contract -- they would be in position to trade either left-hander Jarrod Washburn or right-hander Ramon Ortiz for Garciaparra. The Red Sox, however, likely would prefer an offensive replacement for Ramirez -- perhaps right fielder Tim Salmon, who is signed for $9.5 million in 2004 and $9.75 million in '05 but possesses full no-trade protection. The Dodgers, another West Coast team interested in Garciaparra, are the front-runner to land Japanese free-agent shortstop Kazuo Matsui, according to one Japanese media outlet. The Mets and Mariners also are pursuing Matsui.
Sorry if that was posted already. Hadn't seen it.
QUOTE(ragnarok725 @ Dec 5 2003, 11:43 PM)
Two stories out tonight that make me think this might actually be ARod.
http://redsox.bostonherald.com/redSox/redS...g?articleid=383
Henry meets with ARod, meaning they would have needed permission from the Rangers and comissioner's office. Definitely means they are pretty damn close. Possibly had something to do with him waiving the no-trade clause and losing the clause when he came to the Sox, the same way they had to do it with Schill.
http://www.foxsports.com/content/view?contentId=1923644
A Ken Rosenthal article saying that if Manny-ARod happens, it will have to happen very soon, as in by Sunday. Mentions winter meetings as the absolute deadline, but Sox want to get it done by Sunday or might just walk away.
Could ARod really be wearing a big B on his hat after midnight? It's a possibility... put two and two together there. Sure as hell ain't no sure thing, but it's a definite, real possibility. First post, btw. Nice site ya got there.
http://redsox.bostonherald.com/redSox/redS...g?articleid=383
Henry meets with ARod, meaning they would have needed permission from the Rangers and comissioner's office. Definitely means they are pretty damn close. Possibly had something to do with him waiving the no-trade clause and losing the clause when he came to the Sox, the same way they had to do it with Schill.
http://www.foxsports.com/content/view?contentId=1923644
A Ken Rosenthal article saying that if Manny-ARod happens, it will have to happen very soon, as in by Sunday. Mentions winter meetings as the absolute deadline, but Sox want to get it done by Sunday or might just walk away.
Could ARod really be wearing a big B on his hat after midnight? It's a possibility... put two and two together there. Sure as hell ain't no sure thing, but it's a definite, real possibility. First post, btw. Nice site ya got there.
Damn, you beat me to it.
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Really, if it turns out to be nothing, DirtDog is not getting a mulligan for making us all look like fools.
In my experience, DD's been spot on 99% of the time. Why in the world do you think most of us are still awake
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this is beginning to irk me cuz I'm supposed to have SATs tommorow, yet there hasnt been an announcement on it, so I dont know whether I have it tommorow, and I should go to bed just in case, but I am curious about this imminant deal!
Ahhh forget the SAT's we all know the Sox are much more important
It is ok you can go to sleep, but honestly thinking that a deal could happen how could you fall asleep? I am usually up all night anyway (college student).
Well again I want to thank the Dirt Dog for his site....it has definitely kept me quite entertained. I'll be very happy with getting Foulke, he had an awesome year last year (although he did blow 5 saves for my fantasy baseball pitcher Hudson..so that wasn't good for me).....
Ragnarok - I couldn't get those links to work. Did Henry really meet with Arod?
Don't do it JHW![/SIZE][CODE]
We don't need no stinking Arod.
We don't need no stinking Arod.
Regarding Rey Sanchez's rep, sorry, I can't remember where I saw it... I just remember it being discussed. Can anyone else bail me out here?
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We can disagree, but I think having a great glove up the middle is more of a net positive than a good offensive second baseman. Just think how many more games we would've won last year had it not been for inept defense at second base.
And I will disagree.
I could call it a push, but Win Shares for one disagree, and the second part that disagrees is if you think of all the clutch hits Walker had in the playoffs. Another reason why most 2B are paid more than Sanchez.QUOTE
Regarding Rey Sanchez's rep, sorry, I can't remember where I saw it... I just remember it being discussed. Can anyone else bail me out here?
Well, there was that whole fiasco with him getting a haircut in the dugout during a game while playing for the Mets. Granted, it's depressing and easy to interest if you play for the Mets, but there was still a big uproar over it.
This hot stove is SIZZLING!
PTNBL, can you pass the pretzels? BoSozGirl, can you skooch over on the couch and make some room? This room's getting as crowded as a frat house with free beer!
PTNBL, can you pass the pretzels? BoSozGirl, can you skooch over on the couch and make some room? This room's getting as crowded as a frat house with free beer!
As an aside, this thread already has over 140 posts and 4,000 visits.
Red Sox Nation is excited this evening.
Please be Foulke......
Red Sox Nation is excited this evening.
Please be Foulke......
QUOTE(Rustjive @ Dec 5 2003, 11:44 PM)
Really, if it turns out to be nothing, DirtDog is not getting a mulligan for making us all look like fools.
Of course, if it does turn out to be an early Christmas, then good for you, DirtDog.
Of course, if it does turn out to be an early Christmas, then good for you, DirtDog.
Only you have that ability Rustjive. Your option is to not read the thread.
millar,
I seem to remember Sanchez is reported to have told Manny to tell reporters he could not speak english so as to avoid them ... that's really the only thing I can think of off the top of my head.
I seem to remember Sanchez is reported to have told Manny to tell reporters he could not speak english so as to avoid them ... that's really the only thing I can think of off the top of my head.
man i'm getting tired but this is very exciting. i hope the red sox do something soon.
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Ragnarok - I couldn't get those links to work. Did Henry really meet with Arod?
Try just copy pasting them. Yes, he did meet with ARod. Did not say specifically what they talked about, but said they got authorization from Texas + commish, so something has to be going down sometime soon.
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