They asked some questions over on SOSH, so I posted the following amplification:
Anyway, here's what happened:
Sean called at 1:55 p.m. and told me the union had rejected the deal. At that point, he hadn't had any time to look any further into it. And he won't until after 6.
He *did* say the union may -- may -- have offered a compromise solution it *would* approve. Whether A-Rod and the Red Sox find it acceptable, however, is another matter.
So, as we see it at this minute, there are three alternatives:
1) They can accept the unknown (to us) union alternative.
2) They can back out and kill the deal.
3) The Red Sox can just accept A-Rod's contract as is, and let the deal(s) go through.
And that's what we know.
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QUOTE(staz @ Dec 17 2003, 03:24 PM)
Time to lighten things up with a little parody:
Karl Ravich: And now for the latest on the Alex Rodriquez negotiations, we go to ESPN's Peter Gammons in New York. Peter, what have you got for us?
PG: Well, Karl, all the parameters are in place for this to get done, and if it does get done, it will be a done deal regardless of what the parameters are. There's no way the Red Sox can not do this deal, but you have to remember, this is a deal that the Red Sox do not have to do. In addition to Manny Ramirez, Rangers owner Tom Hicks is now asking for 5 million dollars, 4 prospects, 3 Rule 5 picks, 2 bags of balls and a partridge in a pear tree. A source close to the negotiations said this afternoon, that if this deal doesn't get done, there's no deal. Within the last hour, we've heard that the MLBPA has conditionally approved a restructuring of A-Rod's contract, conditional on the MLBPA approving such a restructuring. And just now, I'm hearing that the Yankees have traded Derek Jeter to the White Sox for Nomar Garciaparra, with Chicago sending Jeter to Boston in exchange for Alex Rodriguez, all of course, depending on whether this deal goes through - as I think it now appears to be ready to. Or not.
KR: Wow. Excellent work, Peter.
Karl Ravich: And now for the latest on the Alex Rodriquez negotiations, we go to ESPN's Peter Gammons in New York. Peter, what have you got for us?
PG: Well, Karl, all the parameters are in place for this to get done, and if it does get done, it will be a done deal regardless of what the parameters are. There's no way the Red Sox can not do this deal, but you have to remember, this is a deal that the Red Sox do not have to do. In addition to Manny Ramirez, Rangers owner Tom Hicks is now asking for 5 million dollars, 4 prospects, 3 Rule 5 picks, 2 bags of balls and a partridge in a pear tree. A source close to the negotiations said this afternoon, that if this deal doesn't get done, there's no deal. Within the last hour, we've heard that the MLBPA has conditionally approved a restructuring of A-Rod's contract, conditional on the MLBPA approving such a restructuring. And just now, I'm hearing that the Yankees have traded Derek Jeter to the White Sox for Nomar Garciaparra, with Chicago sending Jeter to Boston in exchange for Alex Rodriguez, all of course, depending on whether this deal goes through - as I think it now appears to be ready to. Or not.
KR: Wow. Excellent work, Peter.
... you fogot to add, "By the way, I really have no idea what's going on and it's time for me to retire."
Good one though
BK does have value rember when we traded Shae for him (he was just 24 and had a rubber arm etc...) Then the playoffs came and we sent him to the showers early. I think Arizona had the right ideal take the pressure of the 9th off the little guy and let him start. D-Lowe sure flourished in that role. BK as a set up man is also fine by me as long as Timlin, Embree and Foulke get the ball in the 8th and 9th.
QUOTE(Rustjive @ Dec 17 2003, 03:19 PM)
QUOTE(vafenway @ Dec 17 2003, 03:00 PM)
JD, your right BK has value, I am just stuck on his maturity issues. At least Mendoza refrains from using the digits to salute the fans...not that is an endorsement.
*sigh* We always get stuck on this. If we finally show that BK has value, it's his inexcusable immaturity. Then we show them it's not that immature, and it's his value again.
BK Kim has value. BK Kim has immaturity issues. BK Kim's behavior is not something you throw him away for. Ask me if BK Kim's value outweigh's his one middle finger, I'll say 'yes' anyday of the week. Conversely, ask me if I'll take Mendoza's value over his 'maturity' and I'll say 'no' everyday of the week. If one acknowledges that BK Kim is a talented pitcher and can potentially pitchin Fenway given a proper opportunity under someone other than Grady Little, then the middle finger is not an issue. NOT AN ISSUE.
very well said.
Thanks so much for the update Art.
Well, of those three alternatives, where do the Sox go from here? Backing out might not be on their radar screen...not getting this deal done may not be an option for management. Hopefully the alternative contract proposed by the union is acceptable to all sides.
Well, of those three alternatives, where do the Sox go from here? Backing out might not be on their radar screen...not getting this deal done may not be an option for management. Hopefully the alternative contract proposed by the union is acceptable to all sides.
"look, understand and know this....this deal is done, however there is no certainty that it will be finalized before its conclusion"
Peter Gammons
rsb
Peter Gammons
rsb
Well, we already knew as of late last night that the Union had rejected the first proposal and rumor was that the union was countering with their own proposal.
So, basically...it appears the union rejection thing is old news. Sounds like Sean might be a little behind on the news.
So, basically...it appears the union rejection thing is old news. Sounds like Sean might be a little behind on the news.
Which is exactly where we started out this morning....labor suits to propose a compromise, I've seen it posted a number of times now...this is a circular negotiation from hell...I still contend that it's too late to back out....but you never know. 
:beer:beer
:beer:beer
RSB, is that an actual quote or am I just losing my mind
Anyone catch Massarotti with Tanguay and Cafardo last night? The three of them bring no NEWS to the table whatsoever. Massarotti looks like he belongs on the "Queer Eye"-- how he has any relation to Sports (other than a journalism degree) is beyond me.
No, its not a real quote...its pretty much a summation of Peter's status reports on this deal in the past 48 hours.
By the way, if Peter's Monday report was correct (this will be done in 36 hours) then we are just about 20 minutes from it coming to fruition.
rsb
By the way, if Peter's Monday report was correct (this will be done in 36 hours) then we are just about 20 minutes from it coming to fruition.
rsb
I have worked late all week, did Tanguay and Dickerson apologize for thier embarassing scoop last Friday when the announced that Foulke would sign with Oakland?
These guys are really out of the loop...and basically considered buffoons even by thier peers.
rsb
These guys are really out of the loop...and basically considered buffoons even by thier peers.
rsb
Not to be rude, but the Player's Union can kiss my holy redsoxian behind. The player himself wants to restructure his deal and the UNION won't let him? Who represents who here? Who works for who? That is an abject farce.
As to the deal itself, no way this gets killed. No way. It's been preordained from the moment Manny was put on waivers.
Pssst... hey Red Sox fans... in 2004... NO MANNY!!!
As to the deal itself, no way this gets killed. No way. It's been preordained from the moment Manny was put on waivers.
Pssst... hey Red Sox fans... in 2004... NO MANNY!!!
QUOTE(Khross @ Dec 17 2003, 06:22 AM)
When Alex Rodriguez joins the Boston Red Sox, will he instantly be the best or greatest player in this organization since Ted Williams? Would that be fair to assume based on all that we have seen from him or does he have to earn it?
Just curious how everyone feels about his stature once he joins.
Just curious how everyone feels about his stature once he joins.
Babe Ruth's pitching record in Boston earns him at least a mention on any list of this kind. Appearing in 158 games as a pitcher, his record was 89-46 with an ERA of 2.19 and 105 complete games. In 1916, arguably his best year as a pitcher, he was 23-12 with 1 save and an ERA of 1.75. During that same time frame (1914-1919) he batted a respectable 308 with 49 HRS (dead ball era) and 222 RBI's,.
Lefty Groves' eight years with the Sox (1934-1941) were also impressive. 105-62 win-loss record with a 3.34 ERA. Lefty also completed 119 of the 189 games he started in a Boston uniform (63%).
Jimmie Foxx played 6+ years for the Sox (1936-1941 + 30 games in 42) batting .320 with 222 HRS and 788 RBI's. To few years?
QUOTE(OilCan Jolmy @ Dec 17 2003, 03:42 PM)
Pssst... hey Red Sox fans... in 2004... NO MANNY!!!
Amen to that. Bring us a winner. Bring us superstars who will nut up in the clutch.
Thank you Art.
I would die if they backed out at this point. My wake is from 2-4 on Saturday.
Where does the $$$ to Hicks fit into all of this? If the union doesn't allow the re-structure and the Sox need to take ARod's contract "as is," does anyone think the Sox would pay the $$ to Hicks? This deal is such a high wire act that one little thing could throw this whole thing in the clunker. The following things seem to need to happen:
1) Sox trade Nomar to CWS or LA
2) ARod deal re-worked
3) Sox use Manny/prospects from CWS/LA and/or $$$ to Texas for ARod
All that stuff needs to happen first. The more players and teams involved, the more difficult this gets to work out. ARGH.
I would die if they backed out at this point. My wake is from 2-4 on Saturday.
Where does the $$$ to Hicks fit into all of this? If the union doesn't allow the re-structure and the Sox need to take ARod's contract "as is," does anyone think the Sox would pay the $$ to Hicks? This deal is such a high wire act that one little thing could throw this whole thing in the clunker. The following things seem to need to happen:
1) Sox trade Nomar to CWS or LA
2) ARod deal re-worked
3) Sox use Manny/prospects from CWS/LA and/or $$$ to Texas for ARod
All that stuff needs to happen first. The more players and teams involved, the more difficult this gets to work out. ARGH.
Union guys need their free 15 minutes of publicity on this deal too you know. Free national PR. Get your free national PR here.
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/al...rod-union_x.htm
This just came out on USA Today site...Orza quoted at 2pm as saying Red Sox are running out of time
A-Rod trade may fall through over contract terms
By Mel Antonen, USA TODAY
The Alex Rodriguez deal has hit another snag, and time is about to run out.
The Boston Red Sox and players union officials were in disagreement Wednesday afternoon about how to restructure Rodriguez's contract that would allow the team to complete a trade with the Texas Rangers for the reigning American League MVP.
"There offer is not good enough," Gene Orza, the union's No. 2 man, said in a telephone interview at 2 p.m. ET Wednesday, three hours before Major League Baseball's 5 p.m. deadline to get the contract finished. "The question is whether we can find some common ground.
"It's one thing to restructure and reduce and then offer compensation with other things. It's quite another to say, 'I will reduce your salary.'"
This just came out on USA Today site...Orza quoted at 2pm as saying Red Sox are running out of time
A-Rod trade may fall through over contract terms
By Mel Antonen, USA TODAY
The Alex Rodriguez deal has hit another snag, and time is about to run out.
The Boston Red Sox and players union officials were in disagreement Wednesday afternoon about how to restructure Rodriguez's contract that would allow the team to complete a trade with the Texas Rangers for the reigning American League MVP.
"There offer is not good enough," Gene Orza, the union's No. 2 man, said in a telephone interview at 2 p.m. ET Wednesday, three hours before Major League Baseball's 5 p.m. deadline to get the contract finished. "The question is whether we can find some common ground.
"It's one thing to restructure and reduce and then offer compensation with other things. It's quite another to say, 'I will reduce your salary.'"
QUOTE(redsoxmania13 @ Dec 17 2003, 02:39 PM)
A-Rod should ditch the union.
That would be a terrific two-fer. A)we get Arod. B)The players union, which has taken on czarist powers, takes a kick in the jewels.
Do it, Arod! Tear up that damned union card!
QUOTE(dwhumph @ Dec 17 2003, 03:49 PM)
"There offer is not good enough," Gene Orza, the union's No. 2 man, said in a telephone interview at 2 p.m. ET Wednesday, three hours before Major League Baseball's 5 p.m. deadline to get the contract finished. "The question is whether we can find some common ground.
wait wait wait, i thought the deadline was thursday evening not today
QUOTE(dwhumph @ Dec 17 2003, 03:49 PM)
"There offer is not good enough," Gene Orza, the union's No. 2 man, said in a telephone interview at 2 p.m. ET Wednesday, three hours before Major League Baseball's 5 p.m. deadline to get the contract finished. "The question is whether we can find some common ground.
First time I've heard of a league mandated deadline of today, this week I had heard but not today. Though it could make my 12/17 5:15pm prediction look good.
QUOTE(staz @ Dec 17 2003, 03:24 PM)
Time to lighten things up with a little parody:
Karl Ravich: And now for the latest on the Alex Rodriquez negotiations, we go to ESPN's Peter Gammons in New York. Peter, what have you got for us?
PG: Well, Karl, all the parameters are in place for this to get done, and if it does get done, it will be a done deal regardless of what the parameters are. There's no way the Red Sox can not do this deal, but you have to remember, this is a deal that the Red Sox do not have to do. In addition to Manny Ramirez, Rangers owner Tom Hicks is now asking for 5 million dollars, 4 prospects, 3 Rule 5 picks, 2 bags of balls and a partridge in a pear tree. A source close to the negotiations said this afternoon, that if this deal doesn't get done, there's no deal. Within the last hour, we've heard that the MLBPA has conditionally approved a restructuring of A-Rod's contract, conditional on the MLBPA approving such a restructuring. And just now, I'm hearing that the Yankees have traded Derek Jeter to the White Sox for Nomar Garciaparra, with Chicago sending Jeter to Boston in exchange for Alex Rodriguez, all of course, depending on whether this deal goes through - as I think it now appears to be ready to. Or not.
KR: Wow. Excellent work, Peter.
Karl Ravich: And now for the latest on the Alex Rodriquez negotiations, we go to ESPN's Peter Gammons in New York. Peter, what have you got for us?
PG: Well, Karl, all the parameters are in place for this to get done, and if it does get done, it will be a done deal regardless of what the parameters are. There's no way the Red Sox can not do this deal, but you have to remember, this is a deal that the Red Sox do not have to do. In addition to Manny Ramirez, Rangers owner Tom Hicks is now asking for 5 million dollars, 4 prospects, 3 Rule 5 picks, 2 bags of balls and a partridge in a pear tree. A source close to the negotiations said this afternoon, that if this deal doesn't get done, there's no deal. Within the last hour, we've heard that the MLBPA has conditionally approved a restructuring of A-Rod's contract, conditional on the MLBPA approving such a restructuring. And just now, I'm hearing that the Yankees have traded Derek Jeter to the White Sox for Nomar Garciaparra, with Chicago sending Jeter to Boston in exchange for Alex Rodriguez, all of course, depending on whether this deal goes through - as I think it now appears to be ready to. Or not.
KR: Wow. Excellent work, Peter.
Staz, your parody killed me--especially the mention of "parameters". Because at the EXACT MOMENT I was reading it, Glen Ordway on 'EEI was stammering about the "parameters of the deal".
Great(?) minds think alike, I guess.
QUOTE(dwhumph @ Dec 17 2003, 03:49 PM)
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/al...rod-union_x.htm
This just came out on USA Today site...Orza quoted at 2pm as saying Red Sox are running out of time
A-Rod trade may fall through over contract terms
By Mel Antonen, USA TODAY
The Alex Rodriguez deal has hit another snag, and time is about to run out.
The Boston Red Sox and players union officials were in disagreement Wednesday afternoon about how to restructure Rodriguez's contract that would allow the team to complete a trade with the Texas Rangers for the reigning American League MVP.
"There offer is not good enough," Gene Orza, the union's No. 2 man, said in a telephone interview at 2 p.m. ET Wednesday, three hours before Major League Baseball's 5 p.m. deadline to get the contract finished. "The question is whether we can find some common ground.
"It's one thing to restructure and reduce and then offer compensation with other things. It's quite another to say, 'I will reduce your salary.'"
This just came out on USA Today site...Orza quoted at 2pm as saying Red Sox are running out of time
A-Rod trade may fall through over contract terms
By Mel Antonen, USA TODAY
The Alex Rodriguez deal has hit another snag, and time is about to run out.
The Boston Red Sox and players union officials were in disagreement Wednesday afternoon about how to restructure Rodriguez's contract that would allow the team to complete a trade with the Texas Rangers for the reigning American League MVP.
"There offer is not good enough," Gene Orza, the union's No. 2 man, said in a telephone interview at 2 p.m. ET Wednesday, three hours before Major League Baseball's 5 p.m. deadline to get the contract finished. "The question is whether we can find some common ground.
"It's one thing to restructure and reduce and then offer compensation with other things. It's quite another to say, 'I will reduce your salary.'"
WOAH! I heard the dealdine was tomorrow not today!
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/al...rod-union_x.htm
That's the USA Today article...I think it must have been edited, since it now refers to the 5PM deadline on Thursday.
That's the USA Today article...I think it must have been edited, since it now refers to the 5PM deadline on Thursday.
5 p.m. Thurs.
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Jayson Stark on ESPNews just said that his gut feeling is that the deal doesn't get done today. But, since both sides are so far out "on the plank," the deal will get done. Basically the've gone beyond the breaking point here, and to back away now would be too detrimental.
Jason Stark on ESPN news -"blah, blah, money, blah, blah, owners, blah, blah, blah, not today."
Thanks for nothing Jason
Thanks for nothing Jason
The deals are gonna happen - We'll have some serious celebrating to do soon and I want you all rested - Everyone please go to your happy places and remain there until further notice
I can't feel my damn legs...and I see colors
rsb
rsb
Anyone know if the Union's ever actually nixed a trade completely? I know they stepped in on Mo to the Mets, but Mo still ended up with the Mets. Did they ever actually kill a trade?
Well, this is fine with me. I'm still perfectly content with Manny and Nomar if it falls through. But I'm also fine with A-Rod and Mags. I have to say, this is the most interesting 100% done deal haggling I've ever seen.
Ugh, the suspense is killing me.
I think I have an ulcer.
Why must the Red Sox offseason be as tortuous as their actual regular/post seasons....
I think I have an ulcer.
Why must the Red Sox offseason be as tortuous as their actual regular/post seasons....
I just got tired of hitting refresh so I thought I would add a little bit here.
Look at the track record of Henry, Theo, LL, Werner -- they are smart friggin businessmen. We're talking the Cosby Show for god's sake here!! There is no way this deal gets shelved. It would be a huge public relations and financial nightmare for the team. Right now there is still time to posture, so both sides are doing just that. Tomorrow at this time, somethign will be finalized because both teams won't want to go back to the status quo after this entire soap opera simply because of bickering over a few million here and a few million there.
JUST COMMON SENSE, KID. . .
btw - im showing up naked to work on Monday if this deal isn't finalized.
Look at the track record of Henry, Theo, LL, Werner -- they are smart friggin businessmen. We're talking the Cosby Show for god's sake here!! There is no way this deal gets shelved. It would be a huge public relations and financial nightmare for the team. Right now there is still time to posture, so both sides are doing just that. Tomorrow at this time, somethign will be finalized because both teams won't want to go back to the status quo after this entire soap opera simply because of bickering over a few million here and a few million there.
JUST COMMON SENSE, KID. . .
btw - im showing up naked to work on Monday if this deal isn't finalized.
QUOTE(BBaldacci @ Dec 17 2003, 04:07 PM)
I just got tired of hitting refresh so I thought I would add a little bit here.
Look at the track record of Henry, Theo, LL, Werner -- they are smart friggin businessmen. We're talking the Cosby Show for god's sake here!! There is no way this deal gets shelved. It would be a huge public relations and financial nightmare for the team. Right now there is still time to posture, so both sides are doing just that. Tomorrow at this time, somethign will be finalized because both teams won't want to go back to the status quo after this entire soap opera simply because of bickering over a few million here and a few million there.
JUST COMMON SENSE, KID. . .
btw - im showing up naked to work on Monday if this deal isn't finalized.
Look at the track record of Henry, Theo, LL, Werner -- they are smart friggin businessmen. We're talking the Cosby Show for god's sake here!! There is no way this deal gets shelved. It would be a huge public relations and financial nightmare for the team. Right now there is still time to posture, so both sides are doing just that. Tomorrow at this time, somethign will be finalized because both teams won't want to go back to the status quo after this entire soap opera simply because of bickering over a few million here and a few million there.
JUST COMMON SENSE, KID. . .
btw - im showing up naked to work on Monday if this deal isn't finalized.
A refreshing voice of reason. Thanks!
RSB --> I know how you feel. At least this thread allows me to do something productive instead of studying for my bankruptcy final tomorrow.
Inconceivable the union can be the only thing that stops the biggest deal in history when both teams and the player in question want it to happen and have agreed. Not to mention the TV networks that get A-Rod into a major market. Union better find ways to make this work or they'll pay a huge long term price. Any credibility they still have will be shot.
"I can't feel my damn legs...and I see colors
rsb "
same here pal...
btw...hoping the colors are red and white...hehe...
rsb "
same here pal...
btw...hoping the colors are red and white...hehe...
QUOTE(Red Sox Brain @ Dec 17 2003, 04:04 PM)
I can't feel my damn legs...and I see colors
Yeah, and did you see the size of that chicken?
QUOTE(bosson01 @ Dec 17 2003, 04:09 PM)
Inconceivable the union can be the only thing that stops the biggest deal in history when both teams and the player in question want it to happen and have agreed. Not to mention the TV networks that get A-Rod into a major market. Union better find ways to make this work or they'll pay a huge long term price. Any credibility they still have will be shot.
Hey if Bud can own/control two teams at the same time AND simulataneously be the commissioner the union has a long way to go to kill it's credibility. (though whether you consider Bud credible is open to debate)
Point VerbalKint. The MLBPA is not (yet) the most preposterous element of MLB today.
I am sitting @ my desk on a conference call w/ approx. 27 other parties. 100% of my attention is focused on my "refresh" button and 0% is focused on the call.
I think the union lost their credibility long ago... millionares bickering with billionares...
QUOTE(bosson01 @ Dec 17 2003, 04:09 PM)
Inconceivable the union can be the only thing that stops the biggest deal in history when both teams and the player in question want it to happen and have agreed. Not to mention the TV networks that get A-Rod into a major market. Union better find ways to make this work or they'll pay a huge long term price. Any credibility they still have will be shot.
You are right on target. Everyone, including the Union, wants this deal because it is good for MLB as a whole. The Union brass is certainly smart enough to understand that having A-Rod in a major market will benefit all MLB salaries in the long run. That may be why the Sox are not caving to their demands right away. In a way, they have the leverage right now. Can you imagine the bad press for the Union if they are the only thing preventing a deal that benefits everyone in baseball... the fans, management, the players, the networks and media? They are not that stupid, but they do have to be seen as making a stand. That will give the deal legitimacy in the long run. Notice that you have not heard any of the specifics that the Union or management have offered?
Its really think this is done. The Union WILL NOT stop this trade. Its too good for all the players.
If I could ask Art Martone a question, it would be if he thinks there's any chance the Red Sox walk away from table on this one. It seems there's a split in the front office over whether they're better off not making a move, anyway.
Isn't it obvious that A-Rod has agreed to restructure his contract to receive the benefit of making himself tradeable?
Isn't it ludicrous that Orza is worried about a reduction in A-Rod's salary, as if that in some way threatens the salary of ordinary union members?
If this deal founders on union objections, there will undoubtedly be very serious ramifications for the role of the union in MLB.
Isn't it ludicrous that Orza is worried about a reduction in A-Rod's salary, as if that in some way threatens the salary of ordinary union members?
If this deal founders on union objections, there will undoubtedly be very serious ramifications for the role of the union in MLB.
i believe this Union is playing a dangerous game by stating they will agree to a restructure of Arods contract but not a reduction in compensation. I am not a lawyer but I can see a challenge to this contractual provision by MLB as being overly restrictive to the individual player and takes away his right to determine his own destiny. Courts have struck dowm less restrictive clauses. Just wondering.
QUOTE(MikeyMitch @ Dec 17 2003, 04:21 PM)
If I could ask Art Martone a question, it would be if he thinks there's any chance the Red Sox walk away from table on this one. It seems there's a split in the front office over whether they're better off not making a move, anyway.
Not that you asked me, but if JH wants something, then you can be sure that their is no dissension. I believe the whole organization, starting with last years additions, is looking for hard-nosed players who want to win while doing it in Boston. Team players.
Wife just called me at the office. She rambled about 5 or 6 items to get at some store on the way home.
Reading postings and refreshing page while list was given.
Will be calling her on the way home in the car - where I dont have net access and can give her the attention she deserves.
...of course, during a commercial break from the Big Show....
NOTE TO BOSS: If deal is not done tonite, I may be in the office, but you can consider it a lost cause until I have some resolution on this matter that must come to pass.
"ou have to want it to happen..." Bill Murray, Scrooged
Reading postings and refreshing page while list was given.
Will be calling her on the way home in the car - where I dont have net access and can give her the attention she deserves.
...of course, during a commercial break from the Big Show....
NOTE TO BOSS: If deal is not done tonite, I may be in the office, but you can consider it a lost cause until I have some resolution on this matter that must come to pass.
"ou have to want it to happen..." Bill Murray, Scrooged
So is that it for today? Are all the parties making dinner plans now? The Nomar/Mags thing is done, Hicks seems done, MLBPA has said its peace. Theo and Trio go have some dinner now and plan for Thursday, right?
And tomorrow, December 18, 2003, is the day we in RSN will remember for the rest of our lives... right?
And tomorrow, December 18, 2003, is the day we in RSN will remember for the rest of our lives... right?
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