I'm on SoSH now, but it has several people on right now so the bandwidth is most likely full. You'll have to keep trying until someone else leaves the site. I had the same problem earlier with this site.

Oh Dave, I feel the same way. It makes it even worse because I'm a girl. In college, nonetheless. My rommates don't understand it. My boss is furious because I'm getting half the work I usually get done (because I'm reading every article across the country on insider). Nobody understands except us. Nobody understands. Most people can't fathom the heartbreak we TRUE fans felt during game 7. Now, I wouldn't go as far saying it has an effect on my sex life, but poor you if it does yours. If this A-Rod trade doesn't happen, my heart will break again!!!

His message is delicious in its ambiguity. Think of the situation, here is the owner of a major sports franchise, smack (hopefully) in the middle of negitiating one of the most complex player moves of all time, and here he takes time to drop updates to the fans. We all know he can't comment one way or the other, and with about 15 words he gets hundreds of fools like me to sit here and analyize every word, spanning a whole subthread of interpretations. Whichever way this trade ends up, I am quite impressed by the actions of this current ownership group. Personally I think its a negative comment, given how positive his prior comment was. Can you immagine Jeremy Jacobs and Mike O'Connel being able to handle this type of situation?

I really believe that this is a complex statement with a very simple meaning. The entire process is winding down and the fact that it is going to an 11th hour is astonishing. It trancends baseball in that it is a deal like nothing any of us have ever seen and probably will never see in sports or life again. I'm spent on this whole issue and getting sleep tonight will be very difficult. Let's go JWH, bring A-Rod and Maggs to RSN!

I agree on JWH's comments. I don't think the deal is done. By all public accounts, whether we believe them or not, this saga is "ending" tomorrow by 5 pm. JWH isn't going to say anything to the contrary -- not even to his butt buddies at SOSH.

i agree
by the way i like this site better than SOSH b/c i can actually join it and post

unlike that damn forum over there

did i ever say i love .406 in a purely heterosexual manner? cos i do. yuo rule man. i agree 100%. heres the deal- even if he thought the deal was dead- he wouldnt report it there because there is still 24 hours for it to be "revived." remember when it was "dead" this weekend? its ridiculous to think hes telling us its over. hes trying to speak to us "fans" on our level- like, "wow, this is amazing, its getting to a point that even has nothing to do with BASEBALL!" see? example- today on espnnews they had a finacnial analyst seeing how much revenue ARods income tax dollars would bring Mass. come on guys, hes not giving us the scoop either way on a message board. know what i mean? weve had some pull recently, but its miniscule. anyone else agree? hjump on board with 406 and i

I've been such an optimist throughout this whole process. I felt like Theo and the Trio could do nothing to disappoint me. I couldn't sleep last night thinking that A Rod was really coming. I always believe posts on dirt dogs. But I'll tell ya, being a female, who naturally analyzes EVERYTHING - that JH comment does not sound encouraging. Now, I'm not saying it WONT get done. But as of right now, I don't think Henry thinks it will. I think the astonishing part is that he is shocked the union rejected the proposal after it went this far. If his comment was hopeful, it would mean he thought it would definitely get done. How can he think that when it was rejected. He wouldn't opt to send hicks his 5 mil a year, no way. Maybe Hicks really is not compromising. Maybe it will get done, but at the last second. Oh god, I hope I'm wrong!

No, not from New Hampshire. Believe it or not, I live on Cape Cod.

anyone watchin espnews just in case-need to have all possible angles covered here!!!

I know. What can I say? I was young and stupid when I admired the guy.

ill turn on wfan and periodically check espnews


last weekend i watched about 10 straight hrs of either espnews or real world

outta control-...

consider me number three on the bandwagon. i think john henry's statement may have been said to bring up conversations just like this one. may be even to see where sox fans stand on the issue, do they want it or not. we can't jump the gun because of this. we've fantasized about arod and mags all day. haven't you guys read all the espn articles and espn radio chats asking if this is the biggest trade ever? i think he's saying this deal will be the biggest in the history of sports. and like you said, he's sitting back and enjoying the scene as his boston red sox make all the headlines and make the deal of the century.

Nada. Trepidation is the noun, trepid is the adjective. Trepidacious, if it existed would also be an adjective, so no dice.



ESPN gives you no angles, just delayed misinformation.



Posting means no SoSH talk, or chat room fare.

Well, off to read the JWH post...Gonna have to break out my breakfast cereal transcoder for that, from what I hear...

I just want an answer, one way or the other. An outcome. A resolution. The on-again, off-again, on-again of it all is exhausting.

I feel like I've been in labor with a gigantic infant for 2 weeks.

I hope it's all worth it. Maybe the old addage of "good things come to those who wait" will apply to RSN sometime in the next 22 hours.

Meanwhile, PSF is over on SoSH messing with the posters trying to crack JWH's DaVinci Code:

As .406 said, it's pretty simple. This is astonishing. He throws in the word "transcend" either a) because he means it, B) to mock Orza's statement about why they rejected Theo and the Trio's proposal, or c) both.

Please, just put it to rest and focus on the actual news. You want to know why Henry and Schilling post on message boards? Because they can carry the weight of the pope with every statement they make.

if we were to step back from this and look at wuts happenin its amazing-there r 3 future hall of famers and 1 possible one if he keeps it up

this would easily be the biggest trade in sports history

As a former union lawyer (although it was a lowly clerical union and not the MLBPA), I can tell you this stuff goes on all the time during negotiations. I'm sure we didn't put our best offer on the table before the union and there are hours yet to go.

And, from a semantics standpoint, the word "ending" is less restrictive than "end" or "conclusion". An ending can be an evolving process....

I just wish they would get it done and over. I don't know how much more my
heart can take the excitement. First Schilling and then Foulke now A-Rod (hope)
can't wait for Baseball season to start.

Go Red Sox!!!


I Still Hate the Yankees!!

how kool is it that schill and JWH post here???

wut other owner and/or players do this


i mean a player is one thing buty an OWNER!!!!
thats one kool guy to do that

To save you a bit of time, JWH's post is on page 128.

Jim Rice's place on the list of "Boston's Greatest" always puzzles me. It's even more difficult when you try to compare him to a dead ball era guy like Speaker. Rice's power numbers (HR's, SLG%) jump right out and make you want to put him above almost anyone who played before 1920. A second look makes me tend to compare stats that are influenced by things that have changed the least over time and that aren't extremely ballpark dependent. Singles and doubles sort of do that although the dead ball issue still affects the numbers somewhat. I exclude triples because the field dimensions and basepath speed heavily influence them.

Speaker averaged 165 singles and doubles in his seven full seasons in Boston while Rice averaged 137 during his 14 full seasons. Both men averaged fairly similar at bats per season (Speaker = 544 - Rice 570).

Rice has an edge in RBI's per season (101 to 80 for Speaker) while Speaker averaged 99 runs per season to Rice's 87.

Speaker averaged 20 Ks and 38 stolen bases per season .
Rice averaged 98 strikeouts and stole 4 bases per season.

These comparisons do not answer the question about who was the better player but they do cause me to conclude that Speaker was more productive than Rice, relative to their contemporaries.

It's a fun excercise and almost any argument is valid.

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they don't post here.

PSF was just kidding Jonny, there's no secret — just pulling their chain.

redsoxfanKJC, that's entirely way too many posts in much too short a time period. Restrain yourself.

"It's an astonishing ending isn't it? Astonishing. In fact, it transcends baseball."

If we do the Rustjive-ian substitution method, and bring in some 'phantom math' that I'm famous for, it should actually say...

...

If I didn't know better, I'd break it down like this:
"Transcends baseball": F*cking MLBPA! Restructuring contracts should be allowed if all parties want it. F*cking MLBPA!

"...astonishing...Astonishing.: "Astonished that they rejected us the first time, astonishing that I coughed up the money."

But this is what I'm sticking with, for myself at least: Astonishing that we got him, and I'm still boggled by the enormity of the whole situation. It transcends baseball this trade is so big.

tee-hee

I couldn't resist...

The post from John Henry was edited after it was initially posted, I believe to add the transcending bit.

im with this guy. to suggest these negotiations would be one and done- its ridiculous and flies in the face of every other baseball negotiation, well, ever. Come on people, have a little faith!

For Christ sake...

GET ON WITH IT!!!

In the grand scheme of things this really doesn't matter, but for factual reasons — Schilling has posted here, just not a regular basis. JWH hasn't posted here.

That was brilliant, PSF.

new in here...thank god you allow people to register. been only reading for weeks. All the deals that have, will, could be done are ruining my life. I can't imagine even heroin being THIS bad. 5PM can't come soon enough...

anybody on DD-... dats some funny stuff

interesting quote before he edited it

I can't help but think, and this is obviously without having all the info yet - because none of us do - that no matter the outcome, Management did everything right. If they walk away from the deal, you know they have a plan B and weren't about to get screwed in the process. If they can't come to an agreement, it sure wasn't for lack of trying like hell from their end to make it work.

I trust JHW and I really trust Theo. And more than that, I like these guys. That says a lot considering how bad Duquette and Harrington manhandled things, players and fans.

So they've got my trust and I'll gladly hand over the steering wheel because I know they aren't driving us (and the team) off a cliff.

That post is so typical of the Sosh contingent. I have something cool, but you can't see it.

JHW was simply trying to be an objective fan with that post. I don't think it's as cryptic as everybody thinks that it is.

Mr Toad's wild ride has nothing on these last 2-3 weeks.

Jonnyboy, it's on the site.

And I love how PSF says 'tee-hee'...Like a shy girl.

Unfortunately, the image of a manly shy girl as PSF is ingrained in my head now...

"It's an astonishing ending isn't it? Astonishing." thats wut he originally sed according to DD

yah i saw it ..... funny stuff..... I really hope JWH was just giving us sumthing to talk about and really means nothing just 2 get us excited ... he seems like he knows the deal is going to be done and is just have some fun with us now

maybe-i hope so

redsoxfankjc...chill out. You are posting your inner thoughts on the board. Please, take the advice of others and restrain yourself until you have something productive to add to the discussion. I'm not trying to be a dick, but come on.

Everyone think of this.....once you have all the money in the world the only thing thats left is power and fame. I think JWH will do the deal and pay extra just to have his name on this historic event!!!

Upon further review, I think JWH is f-cking with Orza by going back to his post and adding "transcends baseball".

Ummm....apparently I missed something. JWH makes a cryptic post over on SoSH, people are reading way too many things into it, and this thread has cracked 100 pages. Hmmm....

So is it really over?

exactly ! why else would he use the SAME word that orza used in a quote hours before.... its all a game now .. i think everything is done .. just a matter of when to announce it

"Speaker averaged 165 singles and doubles in his seven full seasons in Boston while Rice averaged 137 during his 14 full seasons."

Of note, Rice averaged 194 combined in the 7 year stretch I was comparing with.

Thanks. I return those feelings, also in an exclusively heterosexual way (not that there's anything wrong with that).

The deal IS done, both sides have already agreed on the terms. MLBPA is rejecting the restructured contract the Red Sox proposed, as soon as there's an argeement betwen JWH, A-Rod, and MLBPA the deal is processed, A-Rod + Magglio are already ours

This deal will get done. I'm in the camp that feels things have gone too far for Boston & Texas to go back.

The major question is how will the trade be structured in the end.

Maybe JWH is creating a diversion, thereby allowing him to subvert the process and trade Manny for Michael Young, dress him up to look like A-Rod and hope nobody notices, thereby pocketing more than $100M to put into his bondage fetish.

Or maybe, just maybe, the post means nothing.