Game time: 8:05 pm
Scheduled starters: Matt Clement v. Mark Buehrle
The Game will be on NESN.
Chicago weather: 2 pm CDT observation at ORD: Few clouds at 4,800 feet, 10,000 scattered, 20,000 overcast, visibility 10 miles, temperature 83F, DP 68F, wind out of the east at 21 mph.
A cold front moving through the Great Lakes and upper Mississippi regions will bring showers and thunderstorms to the forecast area this afternoon and evening. The chance of rain will gradually taper off during the evening hours. The wind will remain east to east northeast, and will range between 10-20 mph.
An east will will blow in from left.
Anni
Full Version: BOSTON at Chicago, Thursday, July 21, 2005
Thursday, July 21, 2005
**MOJO** - Tony Day 3
Simple mojo today. I'd rather think of Tony Conigliaro as he is above instead of with the ugly shiner on the famous SI cover. He was just a kid from Revere when he made his debut for the Red Sox. Maybe that's why he is so popular, even today 30 years since he last stepped onto a baseball field, he got to live the dream that so many of us have.
It's Tony C mojo today. We'll always be jealous that it isn't us out there, so remember how blessed you are to where the uniform and go out and enjoy it.
(Special thanks to SSA for today's mojo.)
**MOJO** - Tony Day 3
Simple mojo today. I'd rather think of Tony Conigliaro as he is above instead of with the ugly shiner on the famous SI cover. He was just a kid from Revere when he made his debut for the Red Sox. Maybe that's why he is so popular, even today 30 years since he last stepped onto a baseball field, he got to live the dream that so many of us have.
It's Tony C mojo today. We'll always be jealous that it isn't us out there, so remember how blessed you are to where the uniform and go out and enjoy it.
(Special thanks to SSA for today's mojo.)
Man, I am really looking forward to this one. Our best pitcher, there best pitcher, two All-Stars going at it. Not to mention playing the AL-leading Chicago White Sox. Should be a great game. Also, we meet up with our good friend Carl Everett. This should be a close one and be decided in the late innings.
QUOTE(SonofHazelMae @ Jul 21 2005, 12:17 PM)
Man, I am really looking forward to this one. Our best pitcher, there best pitcher, two All-Stars going at it. Not to mention playing the AL-leading Chicago White Sox. Should be a great game. Also, we meet up with our good friend Carl Everett. This should be a close one and be decided in the late innings.
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uh, you mean decided by the *bullpens*? At least Hermanson is still on the mend, albeit available for the ChiSox. Looies would prefer that Clement go long, leaving w/ a big lead.
QUOTE(MannyAlexander @ Jul 21 2005, 03:47 PM)
FWIW, Manny is 7 for 13 in his lifetime off Buehrle, with 1 2B and 3 HRs.
I know it's a small sample size and what not, but here's to Manny getting off the schnide against left handed pitchers this season (he's only at .206/.331/.433 vs lefties this season)!
Manny
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I know it's a small sample size and what not, but here's to Manny getting off the schnide against left handed pitchers this season (he's only at .206/.331/.433 vs lefties this season)!
Manny
Buehrle
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Hopefully he plays tonight and doesn't sit out with those bad hammies. Anxiously awaiting the starting lineups.
Buehrle has been virtually unhittable at home, we need to get some offense going tonight...
RJ, Leiter, Kazmir, Fossum, Hendrickson, and now Buehrle.
Has any team ever faced 6 lefty starters in a row? That has to be some kind of record.
Has any team ever faced 6 lefty starters in a row? That has to be some kind of record.
Yeah thats pretty ridiculous - we suck against lefties too. This is a big series since the ChiSox will be in the postseason.
I may be mistaken, but aside from a four games series with the O's (a two game split), the Chisox have not really faced the AL East (Boston, NY, Toronto). Could they be a little overrated as a result?
QUOTE(BostonSox37 @ Jul 21 2005, 05:23 PM)
RJ, Leiter, Kazmir, Fossum, Hendrickson, and now Buehrle.
Has any team ever faced 6 lefty starters in a row? That has to be some kind of record.
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Has any team ever faced 6 lefty starters in a row? That has to be some kind of record.
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Last time it happened for the Sox was 1914, according to the Herald.
QUOTE(PhilA67 @ Jul 21 2005, 05:50 PM)
I may be mistaken, but aside from a four games series with the O's (a two game split), the Chisox have not really faced the AL East (Boston, NY, Toronto). Could they be a little overrated as a result?
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Yes, as a matter of fact- good call. They are vaunted for their pitching, yet have avoided three of the five or six most-potent AL lineups.
That makes me feel better...
QUOTE(PhilA67 @ Jul 21 2005, 04:50 PM)
I may be mistaken, but aside from a four games series with the O's (a two game split), the Chisox have not really faced the AL East (Boston, NY, Toronto). Could they be a little overrated as a result?
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Very overrated, in fact.
BP balances schedule strength and gives an approxmation called Pct3, what the team's winning percentage "should be" based on their equivalent runs scored and allowed. The White Sox have a Pct3 of only .530 as I post this, contrasted to their actual .667 W/L PCT.
The Red Sox have a Pct3 of .568, highest in MLB.
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Boston Chicago WSox
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Pos Player HR RBI AVG. Pos Player HR RBI AVG.
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CF Damon, Johnny 5 45 .339 LF Podsednik, Scott 0 18 .294
SS Renteria, Edgar 6 33 .275 2B Iguchi, Tadahito 7 36 .270
DH Ortiz, David 23 85 .307 DH Everett, Carl 13 54 .265
LF Ramirez, Manny 25 86 .279 1B Konerko, Paul 21 57 .251
C Varitek, Jason 13 40 .301 C Pierzynski, AJ 12 36 .247
1B Millar, Kevin 4 33 .274 CF Rowand, Aaron 5 37 .284
RF Nixon, Trot 11 50 .291 RF Perez, Timo 2 9 .244
3B Mueller, Bill 4 38 .281 3B Crede, Joe 13 41 .248
2B Graffanino, Tony 0 1 .299 SS Uribe, Juan 7 43 .236
P Clement, Matt (10-3, 4.21) P Buehrle, Mark (11-3, 2.58)
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Pos Player HR RBI AVG. Pos Player HR RBI AVG.
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CF Damon, Johnny 5 45 .339 LF Podsednik, Scott 0 18 .294
SS Renteria, Edgar 6 33 .275 2B Iguchi, Tadahito 7 36 .270
DH Ortiz, David 23 85 .307 DH Everett, Carl 13 54 .265
LF Ramirez, Manny 25 86 .279 1B Konerko, Paul 21 57 .251
C Varitek, Jason 13 40 .301 C Pierzynski, AJ 12 36 .247
1B Millar, Kevin 4 33 .274 CF Rowand, Aaron 5 37 .284
RF Nixon, Trot 11 50 .291 RF Perez, Timo 2 9 .244
3B Mueller, Bill 4 38 .281 3B Crede, Joe 13 41 .248
2B Graffanino, Tony 0 1 .299 SS Uribe, Juan 7 43 .236
P Clement, Matt (10-3, 4.21) P Buehrle, Mark (11-3, 2.58)
Paul Nauert, another pitchers' umpire, is behind home plate tonight.
On the bright side, Clement doesn't have to be precise in finding the strike zone, which he sure could've used in his last outing; on the down side, the Red Sox are more selective in their strike-zone judgment than the White Sox, giving Buehrle more of an advantage from the umpire.
And Buehrle doesn't need any advantage.
This is going to be a tough game...I see big nights from Renteria and Graffanino as essential for a win, as well as a quality start (or better) from Clement.
On the bright side, Clement doesn't have to be precise in finding the strike zone, which he sure could've used in his last outing; on the down side, the Red Sox are more selective in their strike-zone judgment than the White Sox, giving Buehrle more of an advantage from the umpire.
And Buehrle doesn't need any advantage.
This is going to be a tough game...I see big nights from Renteria and Graffanino as essential for a win, as well as a quality start (or better) from Clement.
The ChiSox arent overrated. Stats arent everything. Stats said it was impossible that the BoSox come back last year from a 3-0 deficit in the ALCS and the Sox acheived just that. You just have to look at the record and that will most of the time prove if you're a good team or not. No one is even really talking about them even with their continued dominance of the Al Central. All the talk is Red Sox Yankees, and the two hot teams the A's and Astros. No matter how many wins the ChiSox will get they will never receive the credit that they derserve.
QUOTE(JayhawkBill @ Jul 21 2005, 07:07 PM)
Very overrated, in fact.
BP balances schedule strength and gives an approxmation called Pct3, what the team's winning percentage "should be" based on their equivalent runs scored and allowed. The White Sox have a Pct3 of only .530 as I post this, contrasted to their actual .667 W/L PCT.
The Red Sox have a Pct3 of .568, highest in MLB.
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BP balances schedule strength and gives an approxmation called Pct3, what the team's winning percentage "should be" based on their equivalent runs scored and allowed. The White Sox have a Pct3 of only .530 as I post this, contrasted to their actual .667 W/L PCT.
The Red Sox have a Pct3 of .568, highest in MLB.
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Jayhawk, I'm so glad you posted this.
I go to the BP site every morning to see what the "latest" Pct3 and odds are based upon current Pct3.
The site that I really enjoy is this one:
Postseason Odds
Last update: Thu Jul 21 16:31:47 2005 PT
Playing the rest of the season a million times
by Clay Davenport
This site updates at like 5 AM every day and is really fun to watch. I bookmark this link:
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/statistics/ps_odds.php
Anyway, they give daily Pct3 and postseason odds for every team for their respective Division or Wildcard chances, along with overall Playoff chances.
Currently the Sox are projected as having a 47% chance of winning the AL East, a 13% Wildcard chance, and an overall 60+% chance of making the post-season.
Yankees? 29/14/43
It's shaping up... check out that link, it's great every morning to start off with a gigantic... sample size.
QUOTE(bjilgk @ Jul 21 2005, 06:48 PM)
..........No matter how many wins the ChiSox will get they will never receive the credit that they derserve.
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Until October, of course, unless they turn into the 2001 Seattle Mariners. I personally think they will.
QUOTE(JayhawkBill @ Jul 21 2005, 07:07 PM)
Very overrated, in fact.
BP balances schedule strength and gives an approxmation called Pct3, what the team's winning percentage "should be" based on their equivalent runs scored and allowed. The White Sox have a Pct3 of only .530 as I post this, contrasted to their actual .667 W/L PCT.
The Red Sox have a Pct3 of .568, highest in MLB.
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BP balances schedule strength and gives an approxmation called Pct3, what the team's winning percentage "should be" based on their equivalent runs scored and allowed. The White Sox have a Pct3 of only .530 as I post this, contrasted to their actual .667 W/L PCT.
The Red Sox have a Pct3 of .568, highest in MLB.
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But they play Smartball™! Ozzie Guillen knows how to win. He plays Smartball™. You can cook the numbers all you want, but you don't know more about baseball than Ozzie Guillen.
Smartball™.
Sincerely,
Joe Morgan
The contact by Damon encouraged me, after those first two "waves."
The base hit by Rent invigorates me.
The base hit by Rent invigorates me.
QUOTE(bjilgk @ Jul 21 2005, 07:48 PM)
The ChiSox arent overrated. Stats arent everything. Stats said it was impossible that the BoSox come back last year from a 3-0 deficit in the ALCS and the Sox acheived just that. You just have to look at the record and that will most of the time prove if you're a good team or not. No one is even really talking about them even with their continued dominance of the Al Central. All the talk is Red Sox Yankees, and the two hot teams the A's and Astros. No matter how many wins the ChiSox will get they will never receive the credit that they derserve.
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Joe Morgan.....is that you?
QUOTE(bjilgk @ Jul 21 2005, 07:48 PM)
The ChiSox arent overrated. Stats arent everything. Stats said it was impossible that the BoSox come back last year from a 3-0 deficit in the ALCS and the Sox acheived just that. You just have to look at the record and that will most of the time prove if you're a good team or not. No one is even really talking about them even with their continued dominance of the Al Central. All the talk is Red Sox Yankees, and the two hot teams the A's and Astros. No matter how many wins the ChiSox will get they will never receive the credit that they derserve.
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Ridiculous. Read the papers.
The Red Sox were favored coming into that series.
Based upon STATS.
I think rent coulda easily had him at 3rd....
QUOTE(bjilgk @ Jul 21 2005, 04:48 PM)
The ChiSox arent overrated. Stats arent everything. Stats said it was impossible that the BoSox come back last year from a 3-0 deficit in the ALCS and the Sox acheived just that. You just have to look at the record and that will most of the time prove if you're a good team or not. No one is even really talking about them even with their continued dominance of the Al Central. All the talk is Red Sox Yankees, and the two hot teams the A's and Astros. No matter how many wins the ChiSox will get they will never receive the credit that they derserve.
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First off, stats don't "say" anything about the future. They can help determine probabilities, and in this case they "said" it was highly unlikely the Sox would win four straight after losing the first three games. And it WAS highly unlikely. Once-in-a-lifetime, in fact.
For some reason I expect this concept is not getting through to you, so I'll stop typing now.
Damn it! 
QUOTE(macd23 @ Jul 21 2005, 08:20 PM)
I think rent coulda easily had him at 3rd....
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Yeah, but a chancy out. Or erase the man at first with 1 out, letting a sac-fly be allowed to clear the bases.
Well, I've already muted the TV.
Hey, Hawk, you can stick it up your aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaass yyyes!
Hey, Hawk, you can stick it up your aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaass yyyes!
Or of course, allow a homer to clear the bases. Shit.
Is it just me or could Damon have had that if he jumped?
Way to come back with the K, Matt...
QUOTE(BusbyReds @ Jul 21 2005, 07:22 PM)
Hey, Hawk, you can stick it up your aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaass yyyes!
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Different Hawk you're speaking of there, right?
Clement: 4.33 ERA
QUOTE(SuperManny @ Jul 21 2005, 07:23 PM)
Is it just me or could Damon have had that if he jumped?
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The WEEI radio feed was explicit that Damon probably could've.
QUOTE(JayhawkBill @ Jul 21 2005, 08:25 PM)
Different Hawk you're speaking of there, right?
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I was referring to Harrelson. I'm stuck with the Comcast Chicago feed tonight, and he drives me crazy.
Damon jumped--he just got all the height of Larry Bird on two bad ankles.
Nah I don't think Damon had much of a chance at that, but the camera angle wasn't very good so it was still hard to tell. Glove got jammed in the padding right at the top of the wall so who knows...
Damon made a half hearted effort at best....that said the replay made it look even with a great leap, it mighta been just outta reach.
Well, at least Mueller drove Millar in.
That may never happen again...
That may never happen again...
QUOTE(BusbyReds @ Jul 21 2005, 08:27 PM)
I was referring to Harrelson. I'm stuck with the Comcast Chicago feed tonight, and he drives me crazy.
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I have the ChiSox feed too and the announcers are awful. I've never heard them before but they really are terrible.
Sportsnet in Canada is carrying the NESN feed. Nixon proves that he who hesitates is lost. Remy comments that you don't often see a runner from third getting thrown out at home when the infield is playing to concede a run. Another Nixon moment?
Who said Nixon can't hit lefties - basehit last AB.
Do the Sox even have a baserunning coach? I'm so sick of this team running themselves out of runs. Sveum doesn't help, but the players are doing a good job of making Sveum look irrelevant.
Was Nixon going home Sveum's fault? It was pretty ugly.
QUOTE(BusbyReds @ Jul 21 2005, 07:27 PM)
I was referring to Harrelson. I'm stuck with the Comcast Chicago feed tonight, and he drives me crazy.
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WOW. These Chisox announcers ought to be kicked off the air. They are TERRIBLE. I mean AWFUL..."Bad guys nothing, good guys coming up!"
Now I knew he was supposed to be a big homer, but I guess I didn't realize how explicit that was. I mean, we're talking screaming when a White Sox player does something and literally whispering when Mueller got the hit. If you weren't watching you woudln't have looked up because it was that hard to hear.
It amazes me how big these broadcasters are.
QUOTE(SuperManny @ Jul 21 2005, 05:38 PM)
Who said Nixon can't hit lefties - basehit last AB.
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Argh. I pity the poor ISPs that built this wonderful fiberoptic backbone, only to have it used to transmit porn, spam and this tripe.
I hate all the Clement-Lowe comparisons people love to throw around, but I will say that Clement is holding runners about as well as Derek.
Was in the car when Nixon didn't break right away, but that is on Nixon, bad baserunning is contagious.
When Mueller bought home Millar, Harrelson screamed "Go Foul" when the ball was hit. That's Tim McCarver stuff right there.
QUOTE(thanman2 @ Jul 21 2005, 08:41 PM)
Argh. I pity the poor ISPs that built this wonderful fiberoptic backbone, only to have it used to transmit porn, spam and this tripe.
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I was joking - sorry didn't know it wasn't allowed. Your post bitching about it added so much more though.
QUOTE(SuperManny @ Jul 21 2005, 05:44 PM)
I was joking - sorry didn't know it wasn't allowed. Your post bitching about it added so much more though.
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You may want to co-opt mclusky's "board mandated winking icon". You've posted enough idiotic things that it's hard to distinguish what's intentional and what's not.
QUOTE(SonofHazelMae @ Jul 21 2005, 08:44 PM)
When Mueller bought home Millar, Harrelson screamed "Go Foul" when the ball was hit. That's Tim McCarver stuff right there.
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It would sound pretty funny if it was our guys but seems classless when you have to listen to it. - The "hawk " was always colorful and WAS he loved when he played for the Sox.
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