WakefieldKnucklehead
Sep 19 2005, 11:11 AM
I called this out in the news thread, but not sure that was the right forum. From SnowGlobe's Red Sox notes.
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The Sox yesterday made all of the rookies dress in drag before departing the clubhouse for the flight to Tampa. Local kid Manny Delcarmen had the best -- or worst -- costume of the bunch. Delcarmen was decked out in a black-and-teal Witchy La Bouf costume, complete with hat, bustier, tutu, and fishnet hose. ''My mom is going to love this," he said.
boston.com Globe linkAnyone know if and where the pix are going to turn up?
Edit: PTH found pix (thanks). No positive ID on the guy in the calico dress in this pic.
mystery rookie link
VoteRiceIn
Sep 19 2005, 11:37 AM
Exerpt from today's Notebook in the Globe:
The Sox yesterday made all of the rookies dress in drag before departing the clubhouse for the flight to Tampa. Local kid Manny Delcarmen had the best -- or worst -- costume of the bunch. Delcarmen was decked out in a black-and-teal Witchy La Bouf costume, complete with hat, bustier, tutu, and fishnet hose. ''My mom is going to love this," he said
Source:
http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/reds...hangeup/?page=2===================================================
My initial (knee-jerk) reaction to this is one of dismay. The words/actions coming out of the Patriots locker room yesterday after a horrible loss & what came out of the Red Sox locker room yesterday after a horrible loss couldn't be on further ends of the spectrum.
The Patriots conduct rookie hazings too (e.g. shaving heads) but they conduct that type of business BEFORE the start of the season. The Sox committing such pranks in the midst of a pennant race, when it's not yet clear that they will even make the play-offs, and immediately following a disastrous loss (e.g. Youk hurt, offensive continues to struggle & Clement stinking it up 3 in a row, etc) is an inappropriate time. According the the Hearald (http://redsox.bostonherald.com/redSox/view.bg?articleid=103242), this occured 45 minutes after the game. Also telling: 'team publicist Glen Geffner chased television cameramen away...' which tells me the Sox may have suspected this would be bad PR.
I acknowledge that it's hard to judge from the outside looking in as I'm not a member of their clubhouse but as outsider & as a fan, I feel this looks bad.
VoteRiceIn
Sep 19 2005, 11:38 AM
Ooppss.........didn't realize another thread was started........... Mods - merge?
JohntheBaptist
Sep 19 2005, 11:40 AM
I'm 24, I've been a Red Sox fan most of my life, and I've read/ seen a lot of ridiculous "Red Sox fan" behavior/ commentary.
But you know, sometimes it's so mind boggling, even I can't believe it.
MTSUDaff
Sep 19 2005, 11:48 AM
As far as I'm concerned I like this. It shows that they are still very loose and aren't letting the pressure get to them.
I think it's fair to say that they know exactly what they need to do in order to make the playoffs and I'm sure no one in that entire locker room has lost focus of that.
LooiesWindup
Sep 19 2005, 11:49 AM
QUOTE(VoteRiceIn @ Sep 19 2005, 08:34 AM)
Exerpt from today's Notebook in the Globe:
The Sox yesterday made all of the rookies dress in drag before departing the clubhouse for the flight to Tampa. Local kid Manny Delcarmen had the best -- or worst -- costume of the bunch. Delcarmen was decked out in a black-and-teal Witchy La Bouf costume, complete with hat, bustier, tutu, and fishnet hose. ''My mom is going to love this," he said
Source:
http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/reds...hangeup/?page=2===================================================
My initial (knee-jerk) reaction to this is one of dismay. The words/actions coming out of the Patriots locker room yesterday after a horrible loss & what came out of the Red Sox locker room yesterday after a horrible loss couldn't be on further ends of the spectrum.
The Patriots conduct rookie hazings too (e.g. shaving heads) but they conduct that type of business BEFORE the start of the season. The Sox committing such pranks in the midst of a pennant race, when it's not yet clear that they will even make the play-offs, and immediately following a disastrous loss (e.g. Youk hurt, offensive continues to struggle & Clement stinking it up 3 in a row, etc) is an inappropriate time. According the the Hearald (http://redsox.bostonherald.com/redSox/view.bg?articleid=103242), this occured 45 minutes after the game. Also telling: 'team publicist Glen Geffner chased television cameramen away...' which tells me the Sox may have suspected this would be bad PR.
I acknowledge that it's hard to judge from the outside looking in as I'm not a member of their clubhouse but as outsider & as a fan, I feel this looks bad.
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Remember, that NFL doesn't have 'rookie callups' during the season. While MBL has spring training, 9/1 is a traditional callup time for MLB prospects, so in that sense, hazing is part of the MLB initiation. No biggie, and hope the boys are loose and ready for TB.
thanman2
Sep 19 2005, 11:56 AM
Duplicate thread
john dopson
Sep 19 2005, 11:57 AM
this was probably planned weeks ago.
what are they supposed to do, cancel it because they happened to lose that day?
file under: no big deal
BillyJo
Sep 19 2005, 12:14 PM
QUOTE(MTSUDaff @ Sep 19 2005, 12:45 PM)
As far as I'm concerned I like this. It shows that they are still very loose and aren't letting the pressure get to them.
I think it's fair to say that they know exactly what they need to do in order to make the playoffs and I'm sure no one in that entire locker room has lost focus of that.
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Exactly. If Delcarmen headed out to the bullpen right before the game in that sort of costume, it would be a bit problematic. These guys are just trying to have a little bit of fun.
I wonder if A-Rod was ever hazed like this in 1994, or if the Yankees do funny things like this.
BlackJack
Sep 19 2005, 12:19 PM
QUOTE(BillyJo @ Sep 19 2005, 01:11 PM)
I wonder if A-Rod was ever hazed like this in 1994, or if the Yankees do funny things like this.
I would assume that it happened to ARod. It's a traditional thing. I distinctly recall seeing pictures of Jose Contreras in drag his rookie season, so yes the Yankees do it too.
gerky
Sep 19 2005, 12:34 PM
FWIW, before the game on Saturday, Papelbon walked out to the bullpen with a pink backpack and we were speculating that there must be some sort of rookie hazing going on. It was funny.
Anyone else see the pics of the hazing Oakland rookies got about a week ago? It was hilarious. It wouldn't surprise me if some of the GLoRSNs found
Huston Street in drag hot in some twisted way.
Edmund Dantes
Sep 19 2005, 12:37 PM
Remember Hazing saved that Houston pitcher, I believe, from having a bullet go through his leg last year because he was wearing full calf length stripper boots to go with his cheerleader outfit.
So some good does come of this.
Ellis Greenwell
Sep 19 2005, 12:38 PM
QUOTE(Edmund Dantes @ Sep 19 2005, 12:34 PM)
Remember Hazing saved that Houston pitcher, I believe, from having a bullet go through his leg last year because he was wearing full calf length stripper boots to go with his cheerleader outfit.
So some good does come of this.
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It was Kyle Denney with the Indians outside of KC. His go-go boot saved him. Ch-check it out
here.
RSN Diaspora
Sep 19 2005, 12:39 PM
QUOTE(LooiesWindup @ Sep 19 2005, 12:46 PM)
Remember, that NFL doesn't have 'rookie callups' during the season. While MBL has spring training, 9/1 is a traditional callup time for MLB prospects, so in that sense, hazing is part of the MLB initiation. No biggie, and hope the boys are loose and ready for TB.
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Let's also not forget that a regular season loss is a much bigger deal in the NFL than MLB. The best baseball teams still lose over fifty games in a season. One NFL loss is the equivalent of a ten-game losing streak in baseball.
SoxFan24
Sep 19 2005, 01:51 PM
Didn't this just happen with the A's? If I remember correctly, I remember seeing Blanton, Street, Shisher, and Johnson all wearing girls clothing.
edit: Missed Gerky's post
gerky
Sep 19 2005, 01:52 PM
QUOTE(SoxFan24 @ Sep 19 2005, 02:48 PM)
Didn't this just happen with the A's? If I remember correctly, I remember seeing Blanton, Street, Shisher, and Johnson all wearing girls clothing.
See my post above.
Kid T
Sep 19 2005, 01:59 PM
QUOTE(RSN Diaspora @ Sep 19 2005, 10:36 AM)
Let's also not forget that a regular season loss is a much bigger deal in the NFL than MLB.
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Exactly, the NFL is a sprint and MLB is a marathon. I don't see any problems with this as it's all harmless fun. It doesn't hinder or negatively impact anyone's performance.
By the way, the teams usually do this hazing before travelling to Toronto (in order to force the rookies to go through customs that way). They've also done this just about every year (I think they had Youkilis dressed in a hooters waitress outfit last year).
LooiesWindup
Sep 19 2005, 02:03 PM
QUOTE(Kid T @ Sep 19 2005, 10:56 AM)
Exactly, the NFL is a sprint and MLB is a marathon. I don't see any problems with this as it's all harmless fun. It doesn't hinder or negatively impact anyone's performance.
By the way, the teams usually do this hazing before travelling to Toronto (in order to force the rookies to go through customs that way). They've also done this just about every year (I think they had Youkilis dressed in a hooters waitress outfit last year).
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Couldn't this have brought up *before* relocationg the Expos
Now the National League rooks will miss out
BklynSoxFan44
Sep 19 2005, 02:06 PM
I thought it was great when I heard the Red Sox did the "rookie hazing" thing. It shows they are loose, and the pressure isn't getting to them. This kind of rookie thing goes on all the time. Someone asked if the Yankees do the same thing to their rookies, and I think they do. I remember seeing a photo of Hideki Matsui dressed like a pimp during his hazing, and it was hysterical. I also remember when the Mets did it to Jeff Kent and he got all pissed off and alienated almost everyone on the team (what a surprise).
I also file this episode under "no big deal".
Glad to see the Red Sox keeping it loose.
Red Sox Fan2
Sep 19 2005, 02:10 PM
I would assume that it happened to ARod. It's a traditional thing. I distinctly recall seeing pictures of Jose Contreras in drag his rookie season, so yes the Yankees do it too.
No need to dress A-Rod up in drag since he all ready looks like he's wearing baby-blue lipstick and runs down the baseline slapping everything in his way.
coloradojack
Sep 19 2005, 02:12 PM
wasn't there a cleveland player (i think) who was dressed in drag, the bus was actually shot at and the bullet penetrated the bus and into the player's leg?......it was a superficial wound due mostly to the fact he was wearing knee-high boots?.....who says hazing has no positive benefits?......
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LargerMass
Sep 19 2005, 02:15 PM
I'm in the "What's the big deal??" camp as well. This has been going on in the MLB in September for years. As far as the Matsui in drag and Youk in drag as a Hooter's Girl referenced above, I don't know whick was more frightening. With Matsui, though, it did somehow make sense...
Abe Has To Fix His Hat
Sep 19 2005, 02:19 PM
QUOTE(coloradojack @ Sep 19 2005, 03:09 PM)
wasn't there a cleveland player (i think) who was dressed in drag, the bus was actually shot at and the bullet penetrated the bus and into the player's leg?......it was a superficial wound due mostly to the fact he was wearing knee-high boots?.....who says hazing has no positive benefits?......
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You're thinking of Indians pitcher Kyle Denney:
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?i...TC-DT9705204233People who have problems with this kind of hazing are being absurd. I remember in my freshman year of high school, we carried the water and medical equipment everywhere...that was our hazing for the most part. Nowadays, they have banned that practice, as if it is somehow harmful. Extreme hazing is a major problem, but those kind of minor things...how is there anything wrong with that? There isn't.
BlackJack
Sep 19 2005, 02:19 PM
QUOTE(coloradojack @ Sep 19 2005, 03:09 PM)
wasn't there a cleveland player (i think) who was dressed in drag, the bus was actually shot at and the bullet penetrated the bus and into the player's leg?......it was a superficial wound due mostly to the fact he was wearing knee-high boots?.....who says hazing has no positive benefits?......
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Ya know, I never heard that before...
QUOTE(Edmund Dantes @ Sep 19 2005, 01:34 PM)
Remember Hazing saved that Houston pitcher, I believe, from having a bullet go through his leg last year because he was wearing full calf length stripper boots to go with his cheerleader outfit.
So some good does come of this.
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QUOTE(Ellis Greenwell's Knee @ Sep 19 2005, 01:35 PM)
It was Kyle Denney with the Indians outside of KC. His go-go boot saved him. Ch-check it out
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The Ghost of Ned Martin
Sep 19 2005, 02:27 PM
What's deeply troubling is how quickly some you recall a story that involves a ballplayer in drag.
Not that there is anything wrong with that.
coloradojack
Sep 19 2005, 02:31 PM
has anyone told ghost that his royal rooters hazing is over and that he doesn't have to dress in tessie's clothes anymore?
BillyJo
Sep 19 2005, 03:00 PM
QUOTE(gerky @ Sep 19 2005, 01:31 PM)
FWIW, before the game on Saturday, Papelbon walked out to the bullpen with a pink backpack and we were speculating that there must be some sort of rookie hazing going on. It was funny.
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Yeah, I noticed that, too, and pointed it out to my daughter - it was her first Fenway game. I first noticed this sort of thing at a Phillies/Braves game in Philly this summer. Some rookie for the Braves (I can't keep track of them all) was dragging a pink Barbie "rollie" back-pack out to the bullpen. Apparently, this is something that the bullpen rookie is required to do for most teams. Except at that game, the poor pitcher had to drag the bag out after everyone else was in the pen. He was featured on the Jumbotron dragging this Barbie bag, and the Philly phans got quite a laugh. It contains a supply of candy, gum and the like for the relievers during the game.
I don't remember for sure, but I think I saw another reliever bringing the bag back to the dugout on Saturday after the game.
PineTarHelmet
Sep 19 2005, 03:17 PM
Almost all MLB teams usually have rookie relievers carry out pink flowery rollie bags and the like to the dugout. I know Papelbon and Delcarmen did(pics are around...dunno where) I've seen it on other teams too.
And no I'm not talking of Doug Mirabelli and his rollie bag
RSNLoyalty04
Sep 19 2005, 08:20 PM
QUOTE(The Ghost of Ned Martin @ Sep 19 2005, 03:24 PM)
What's deeply troubling is how quickly some you recall a story that involves a ballplayer in drag.
Not that there is anything wrong with that.
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Lou Duffys Cliff
Sep 19 2005, 08:57 PM
IIRC they had Youks and DiNardo go through Customs in drag last year on the way back from Toronto.
I really don't see what the big deal is.
intheowetrust
Sep 20 2005, 12:26 PM
i was at the game friday night betweent he sox and A's and i remember watching Papelbon walk out to the bullpen with what looked to be a girls backpack. it was blue and had flowers and stuff on it. that is something to remember later during Papelbon's career.
i like this, keeps the team loose, not that this team has ever been called uptight, but last night they looked it.
PineTarHelmet
Sep 20 2005, 12:42 PM
I found a few pics of it, but this is probably the best one....sexy, kinda
(l-r: Papelbon, Delcarmen, Stern, Shoppach, Machado)
And then this mystery one...anybody know who it is? I wanna say DiNardo but he got hazed last year. Unless if they hazed the coaches
http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/usmcsister19...dfc.jpg&.src=ph
OuttaThePahk
Sep 20 2005, 12:55 PM
QUOTE
It was hilarious. It wouldn't surprise me if some of the GLoRSNs found Huston Street in drag hot in some twisted way.
Pleading the 5th! Pleading the 5th!
WakefieldKnucklehead
Sep 20 2005, 03:03 PM
QUOTE(intheowetrust @ Sep 20 2005, 01:23 PM)
i was at the game friday night betweent he sox and A's and i remember watching Papelbon walk out to the bullpen with what looked to be a girls backpack. it was blue and had flowers and stuff on it. that is something to remember later during Papelbon's career.
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This has probably been going on since Papelbon was called up. I noticed he was rolling it out at the 8/26 game vs Detroit, and I later heard him comment on it in a postgame NESN interview. He talked about it like it was no big deal, but his facial expression seemed to indicate he will be glad when its over.
WakefieldKnucklehead
Sep 20 2005, 03:48 PM
QUOTE(Pine Tar Helmet @ Sep 20 2005, 01:39 PM)
I found a few pics of it, but this is probably the best one....sexy, kinda
(l-r: Papelbon, Delcarmen, Stern, Shoppach, Machado)
And then this mystery one...anybody know who it is? I wanna say DiNardo but he got hazed last year. Unless if they hazed the coaches
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PTH, thanks for the pix.
Have not figured out who mystery guy in the calico dress is yet.
He seems to have his hands free in that not many folks are asking for his autograph.
BoSoxGirl75
Sep 20 2005, 05:38 PM
QUOTE(Pine Tar Helmet @ Sep 20 2005, 01:39 PM)
And then this mystery one...anybody know who it is? I wanna say DiNardo but he got hazed last year. Unless if they hazed the coaches
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I have no idea who it is. I'm stumped on this one. Look at those pictures and with those poor children asking them for their autographs! I wonder if they told the kids it was halloween?
BlackJack
Sep 20 2005, 05:58 PM
QUOTE(Pine Tar Helmet @ Sep 20 2005, 01:39 PM)
And then this mystery one...anybody know who it is? I wanna say DiNardo but he got hazed last year. Unless if they hazed the coaches
http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/usmcsister19...dfc.jpg&.src=phIt's
DiNardo. He was the only rookie who was on the roster on Sunday not in the picture Piney posted above and if you look at his player profile pics...
gerky
Sep 20 2005, 06:00 PM
I don't think it's Dinardo.
I was thinking maybe it was Bill Hasselman (he's technically a rookie coach, right?), but looking at his roster mugshot he's looking far too old these days.
BlackJack
Sep 20 2005, 06:02 PM
Gerky gerky gerky...
Look at the goatee in the mugshot. Also at the jaw line in the 'action' shot on the right. It's DiNardo.
BoSoxGirl75
Sep 20 2005, 06:29 PM
QUOTE(BlackJack @ Sep 20 2005, 06:55 PM)
It's
DiNardo. He was the only rookie who was on the roster on Sunday not in the picture Piney posted above and if you look at his player profile pics...
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It can't be Dinardo, because he is in this picture:
LinksThat is definitely him in the black shirt.
BlackJack
Sep 20 2005, 06:35 PM
Damn. Good work BSG.
So who the hell is in the dorothy get up?
Edit: Yes, I'm taking BSG's word that that's DiNardo in the black shirt.
Kid T
Sep 20 2005, 06:58 PM
Isn't it Machado? There are 5 people in the photo and PTH's caption reads
QUOTE
(l-r: Papelbon, Delcarmen, Stern, Shoppach, Machado)
BlackJack
Sep 20 2005, 07:00 PM
QUOTE(Kid T @ Sep 20 2005, 07:55 PM)
Isn't it Machado? There are 5 people in the photo and PTH's caption reads
Actually 6. She's talking about the guy who's behind Shoppach. Check the link she included for a pic that shows him better.
dfciaf
Sep 20 2005, 10:17 PM
I *think* the mystery 6th guy in the blue Dorothy dress is our new bullpen catcher. I have no idea what his name is or where to find his photo though.
gerky
Sep 20 2005, 10:23 PM
Thank you, BSG (i.e. our resident Nancy Drew).
It's probably one of the bullpen catchers or clubhouse attendents.
SouthpawSox
Sep 21 2005, 04:33 PM
It's Jason LaRocque, the new bullpen catcher.
DiNardo was hazed last year w/Youkilis wearing Hooters Girls outfits 5 times too small. As stated earlier, going through customs in Toronto. Tradition is the last roadtrip of the season, but I'm sure having to go through customs makes it even more fun!
fenwayfrank34
Sep 21 2005, 06:34 PM
Are there pictures of You and DiNardo from last year? That's something I would like to see, absolutely hillarious.
BradysBabe12
Sep 24 2005, 12:54 PM
Do we have any pictures of Papelbon w/ the backback floating around anywhere? Those would be good to see! LoL. My mother also said Hansen had the backpack the other night. They showed it on tv or something.
gerky
Sep 24 2005, 01:16 PM
QUOTE(BradysBabe12 @ Sep 24 2005, 01:51 PM)
Do we have any pictures of Papelbon w/ the backback floating around anywhere? Those would be good to see! LoL. My mother also said Hansen had the backpack the other night. They showed it on tv or something.
A bunch of us Rooters just happened to be at the game on Saturday:
Special thanks to NU whom I "borrowed" these pictures from without permission.
RSJ
Sep 24 2005, 07:13 PM
QUOTE(LooiesWindup @ Sep 19 2005, 03:00 PM)
Couldn't this have brought up *before* relocationg the Expos
Now the National League rooks will miss out
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So you're effectively saying that
rookie hazing could have saved the Expos?
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