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Some Trees
Not only is Richard Justice, Houston Chronicle writer, bitter but his diatribe against Red Sox fans is unfocused and kind of creepy. From today's issue:

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Who wants to watch nice guys playing when you can have Johnny Damon running his mouth?

Well, you could have Damon until his Red Sox were swept out of the playoffs by the Chicago White Sox on Friday.

How about the way television kept showing those dejected Boston fans in the stands at Fenway Park? They focused so much attention on those dejected poets and songwriters that it was easy to forget there'd been a winner.

Are those poor people still sitting in those box seats weeping for their Sawx? Send them doughnuts and coffee. Tell them spring training is only four months away.

There won't be many crowd shots after the Astros and Braves finish this series. In Atlanta and Houston, they'll watch the game, cheer for their teams and then get on with their lives.

There's not likely to be a single book or movie deal come out of the series. It's sport as sport. What a concept.


http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/sports/bb/3387612

Win, Atlanta, win.
Some Trees
one more, not surprisingly from the Chicago Sun-Times:

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Come on now, everybody! Sing it loud.

"Sweeeeet Caro-line! Whoa, whoa, whoa!''

Apologies to all you Boston Red Sox eighth-inning opera divas, but it really was "So good! So good! So good!''


http://www.suntimes.com/output/telander/cst-spt-rick08.html


What strikes me about both of these is the real vitriol (hatred?) and derision directed toward Sox fans...
Fiskian Pole Shot
Re: Telander - To the victors go the spoils. Although painful for us, I found it to be quite clever.

Re: Justice - Doochebag.
BinacaMan
Richard Justice is a crackpot who writes like a promising fourth-grader, but I don't see anything in the Sun-Times piece to get upset about. So what? The author took a little jab at the fans. Isn't that what you'd expect a columnist from a competing city to do.

There's a lot of resentment nationwide against Sox fans. We're perceived as narcissists, egomaniacs and prima donnas. There aren't a lot of romantic comedies or best-selling books written about the Kansas City Royals or Texas Rangers.

You know what? Who cares? Let 'em have their fun and take their shots. After last year, they can never hang the insufferable loser tag on us again. Now, we're insufferable winners.
mascho

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There's not likely to be a single book or movie deal come out of the series. It's sport as sport. What a concept.


I beg to differ.

"Life on the Run: A Writer's Journey to Avoid Red Sox Fans After Painting them as Lifeless Losers" by Richard Justice.

Early reviews are in:

"Wonderful!"
-Dan Shaughnessy
Some Trees
QUOTE(mascho @ Oct 8 2005, 10:59 AM)
"Life on the Run:  A Writer's Journey to Avoid Red Sox Fans After Painting them as Lifeless Losers" by Richard Justice.

Early reviews are in:

"Wonderful!"
-Dan Shaughnessy
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Very good. By the way, I understand a columnist's duty to take jabs at athletes, but why go after the fans? Fans should be penalized for being passionate about their teams (think about how Justice basically and probably unwittingly insulted Houston fans)? We're "poets and songwriters"? WTF? Because losing hurts?

As for Telestrater or whoever he is, of course he's fron Chitown but I honestly don't recall a Boston columnist poking fun at opposing fans after a big loss, EVER. Opposing athletes? Sure. Opposing media figures or FO members? Sure. But the fans? The ones who are supposed to care about the team??

yazgoesbacklooksupitsgone
QUOTE(Some Trees @ Oct 8 2005, 09:48 AM)
Not only is Richard Justice, Houston Chronicle writer, bitter but his diatribe against Red Sox fans is unfocused and kind of creepy. From today's issue:
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/sports/bb/3387612

Win, Atlanta, win.
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There won't be many crowd shots after the Astros and Braves finish this series. In Atlanta and Houston, they'll watch the game, cheer for their teams and then get on with their lives


He should be more specific.
In Atlanta, fans dress as empty seats, watch the game, chop when they are told to, and then get on with their lives.
In Houston, they come to Enron/MinuteMaid Whatever Memorial Stadium, say "hey, I thought the Texans were playing? What sport is this? It don't look like football. Wanna stick around? Maybe they sell nachos here," cheer for their team - which is apparently called the Astros, and then get on with their lives.

Jeez, Mr. Justice. So, kill us for giving a damn.


Incidentally, here is the headline from the knuckleheads at my local paper (It's like last year never happened):

Wait 'til 2090?
BklynSoxFan44
QUOTE(yazgoesbacklooksupitsgone @ Oct 8 2005, 11:22 AM)
He should be more specific.
In Atlanta, fans dress as empty seats, watch the game, chop when they are told to, and then get on with their lives.
In Houston, they come to Enron/MinuteMaid Whatever Memorial Stadium, say "hey, I thought the Texans were playing? What sport is this? It don't look like football. Wanna stick around? Maybe they sell nachos here," cheer for their team - which is apparently called the Astros, and then get on with their lives.

Jeez, Mr. Justice. So, kill us for giving a damn.
Incidentally, here is the headline from the knuckleheads at my local paper (It's like last year never happened):

Wait 'til 2090?
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The NY Daily News had a headline on their Red Sox story on Saturday: "New Curse as Boston Folds". This is the same rag that had this as a headline after the Sox won the World Series last October: "Curse Takes Year Off: See You in 2090!"

They said that Sox fans were obsessed with curses. It's YANKEE fans who are obsessed with such nonsense, and the Daily News in particular.

I find it scary, and rather pathetic.

As far as Justice and that other imbecile goes, screw them.
MargoAdamsLoveChild
Listen, I can take my lumps as well as anyone, and this is especially true since we won it last year and as Binaca said, we're insufferable winners now. But what these columnists are doing is basically blaming the fans for the media shoving the "Curse" and "Lovable Loser" storylines down the public's throat for more than two decades.

My only wish is that these hacks could express their thoughts a bit more intellectually. You need only be a raving idiot these days to get a columnist job in some places. I'd could take a thousand jabs from Thomas Boswell rather than a tiny prick from Dan Shaughnessy. (That's, um, a metaphor.)
Sox Sweep Again
QUOTE(MargoAdamsLoveChild @ Oct 9 2005, 03:22 PM)
Listen, I can take my lumps as well as anyone, and this is especially true since we won it last year and as Binaca said, we're insufferable winners now. But what these columnists are doing is basically blaming the fans for the media shoving the "Curse" and "Lovable Loser" storylines down the public's throat for more than two decades.

My only wish is that these hacks could express their thoughts a bit more intellectually. You need only be a raving idiot these days to get a columnist job in some places. I'd could take a thousand jabs from Thomas Boswell rather than a tiny prick from Dan Shaughnessy. (That's, um, a metaphor.)
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Uh, that's a mixed metaphor, really since both ideas are true.

Actually I like Dan Shaughnessy and think he gets a really bad rap on Sox message boards. Why does he come under such criticism? He writes well, he's generally positive, and he wrote a book examining the "Curse" idea, but as someone else stated, it was a New York sportswriter (George Vecsey) who first raised the "Curse of the Bambino" idea to a national level, not Shaughnessy.

Prior to 1986, a few passing references to a Red Sox or Fenway-related curse had been floated around by sportswriters, but they tended to be vague and did not feature Babe Ruth prominently. However, after the Red Sox collapsed against the New York Mets in Game 6 of the 1986 World Series, New York Times sportswriter George Vecsey wrote an article connecting the errors that cost the Sox the game, the team's past history of disappointments, and the sale of Babe Ruth back in the team's glory days. After the Sox also lost Game 7, and thus the series, Vecsey wrote another article expanding on the theme, headlined "Babe Ruth's Curse Strikes Again". These articles were the first explicit mentions of a Babe Ruth "curse" in print.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curse_of_the_Bambino

As for the Mediots around the country looking to poke at us now that we're out of this post-season, bah, that's what happens whenever the current Goliath is felled. Just wait for the Patriot Haters to come out of the woodwork if this year's injuries can't be overcome any better than last week's 41-17 drubbing at home. Which sportswriter from out-of-town will write the first "Belichick Not Such a Genius" column?

Edit: Oops, Google shows that some dude writing for the Henderson Community College "Hill" is already on this angle:

Wait until next year to crown Belichick a genius
by Tristan Mishell
Sports Reporter

Is Patriots Coach Bill Belichick a Genius?

No, not yet.


http://www.hencc.kctcs.edu/thehill/02-04-0...0a%20genius.htm
MargoAdamsLoveChild
QUOTE(Sox Sweep Again @ Oct 9 2005, 03:45 PM)
Which sportswriter from out-of-town will write the first "Belichick Not Such a Genius" column?

Edit: Oops, Google shows that some dude writing for the Henderson Community College "Hill" is already on this angle:

Wait until next year to crown Belichick a genius 
by Tristan Mishell
Sports Reporter

Is Patriots Coach Bill Belichick a Genius?

No, not yet.


http://www.hencc.kctcs.edu/thehill/02-04-0...0a%20genius.htm
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Dude, when your name's Tristan, calling others names is all you've got, I guess.

As for Shaughnessy, yes, he writes well, and sometimes he hits the mark, but he relentlessly pounded the Curse angle for years and years, encouraging entities like Fox to do the same. He's not as bad as people like to portray, but he's not completely unresponsible for the torturous Curse bullshit that was foisted on us for years.
BklynSoxFan44
QUOTE(MargoAdamsLoveChild @ Oct 9 2005, 03:51 PM)
Dude, when your name's Tristan, calling others names is all you've got, I guess.

As for Shaughnessy, yes, he writes well, and sometimes he hits the mark, but he relentlessly pounded the Curse angle for years and years, encouraging entities like Fox to do the same. He's not as bad as people like to portray, but he's not completely unresponsible for the torturous Curse bullshit that was foisted on us for years.
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I hold Shaughnessy totally responsible for letting this "curse" crap get a foothold in the American sports scene. He turned it into a cottage industry, and he won't be forgiven by many for doing so.
MFLetou
Yeah, but you know what? If SOME people at least didn't believe it, he never would have made a dime. It takes two to tango. And anyone who thinks that it was only the national media that loved that angle is lying to themselves, plenty of Red Sox fans, though they never may now admit it, believed and bought those books.

I like Dan too. He's part of the scene here. Some people really get hot and bothered by him, to them I say, simply, 'don't read him.' He can be colossally wrong, but he's a sports columnist, so really, so what? His job is to entertain.

Now, those other clowns...Boswell, of course, is a Red Sox fan and wouldn't right such lunacy anyway. To many we are obnoxious fans who have become rather insufferable, but I'd still take that over fairweather fans who barely show up and don't understand the game.

Zenit2k9
Just as a result:

http://www.progressiveboink.com/dugout/arc...out10-09-05.htm

www.wordupthome.com is an amusing site.
Ellis Greenwell
QUOTE(Zenit2k9 @ Oct 11 2005, 11:03 AM)
Just as a result:

http://www.progressiveboink.com/dugout/arc...out10-09-05.htm

www.wordupthome.com is an amusing site.
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My favorite part of this link is that everyone has a Red Sox player thumbnail for avatar but you get a ways down and there's the "Old Prospector" with his black & white avatar. It's hysterical.
WWH Mustaine
CHB, and his ilk, feed on misery.

If Red Sox fans were happy, and their lives completely devoid of drama and angst, he'd be out of work.

He's like a firefighter who runs around starting fires, just so he'll have something to do, and people will notice him. He's a major doosh.

Plus, he's homely, so there's probably some deep-seated bitterness at play about that whole thing...
Franconian
This quote from the aforementioned article by Richard Justice of the Houston Chronicle after the Red Sox lost (insinuating that Boston/New York fans put too much life emphasis on baseball):

"There won't be many crowd shots after the Astros and Braves finish this series. In Atlanta and Houston, they'll watch the game, cheer for their teams and then get on with their lives."

and another stuffing it in the face of Red Sox fans:

"Are those poor people still sitting in those box seats weeping for their Sawx? Send them doughnuts and coffee. Tell them spring training is only four months away."

Now this quote from todays paper about Pujols ' HR:

"What followed was one of those moments that baseball fans in this city may remember forever."

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/sports/3401054

Haha Justice - You stupid idiot which one is it? I like the Astros roster - but if they lose it may be worth it just to send this d'bag some coffee and donuts with tickets to spring training.
coloradojack
QUOTE(SoxFanINCleveland @ Oct 18 2005, 07:25 AM)
Haha Justice - You stupid idiot which one is it? I like the Astros roster - but if they lose it may be worth it just to send this d'bag some coffee and donuts with tickets to spring training.
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great idea....but he hasn't paid for tickets, i'd wager, his entire adult life.....

as an aside, regarding spring training, i always find it humorous that the astros train in kissimmee, florida....that means that for 6 weeks every year they are known as the "kissimmee astros".......
JohntheBaptist
QUOTE(MFLetou @ Oct 10 2005, 12:17 AM)
Yeah, but you know what? If SOME people at least didn't believe it, he never would have made a dime.  It takes two to tango.  And anyone who thinks that it was only the national media that loved that angle is lying to themselves, plenty of Red Sox fans, though they never may now admit it, believed and bought those books.


What does that have to do with Dan Shaughnessy being an ass though? He wrote the books. Period. End of story. I'm not really worried about what that says about significant chunks of "Red Sox Nation," though it doesn't say much good.

I'm more interested in what it says about Dan Shaughnessy- someone that enjoys profiting off of other people's misery and perpetuating these infantile agendas with local sports heroes. He's a frigging snake.

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I like Dan too. He's part of the scene here.  Some people really get hot and bothered by him, to them I say, simply, 'don't read him.'  He can be colossally wrong, but he's a sports columnist, so really, so what?  His job is to entertain.


Again, that's obfuscation. Whether I read him or not, he represents the absolute nadir not just of the Red Sox fan, but of the sports fan in general- and the sports columnist in general. I can (and do) ignore him 95% of the time- but it doesn't mean the foothold he's gotten with Sox fans doesn't rankle the hell out of me (just like BDD, whom I never read). Remember that quote he had about Nomar (I'm paraphrasing)? That "make no mistake, he does not like you, he doesn't care about you or this city or this franchise..."

Pretty ironic coming from him.

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To many we are obnoxious fans who have become rather insufferable, but I'd still take that over fairweather fans who barely show up and don't understand the game.
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Half dozen of one...

To many, we aren't just obnoxious- we're somewhat cannibalistic and remarkably spoiled. I'd tend to agree from time to time, too- and the fact that Dan Shaughnessy is, as you're pointing out, so popular speaks to that for me sometimes.
TheDominicanYaz
This is an article by Caple of ESPN.

Astros, Whitesox deserve this?

I couldn't get past the first sentence. Now everytime I hear the phrase "WhiteSox Fans" I can't help but laugh. laugh.gif rolleyes.gif Its really quite ludicrous. I've yet to meet one. They must be like a unicorns or sasquatch.
BklynSoxFan44
QUOTE(TheDominicanYaz @ Oct 23 2005, 11:14 PM)
This is an article by Caple of ESPN.  

Astros, Whitesox deserve this?

I couldn't get past the first sentence.  Now everytime I hear the phrase "WhiteSox Fans"  I can't help but laugh. laugh.gif  rolleyes.gif   Its really quite ludicrous.  I've yet to meet one.  They must be like a unicorns or sasquatch.
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Screw Caple. He's another jackass "sportswriter" who thinks that Red Sox fans "reveled" in the so-called curse. It's imbeciles like him who kept that asinine idea alive as fact. I thank God every day that that crap is finally over. Caple doesn't like that we let the world know it was over and done with?

Drop dead, jackass.

The Reinsdorf quote was good: "We didn't have a curse to deal with. We had failure to deal with."
rominer
You know, it's all just words to fill a page to earn a paycheck.

And the Red Sox were the champs last year, did have a long championship drought, and now we have the White Sox and Astros with well over 100 years of championship drought between them.

So there are parallels. And where there aren't parallels, writers will invent them. That's what they do.

That said:

1. Why did the Red Sox "curse" get so much more attention than the White Sox and their many years without a title? BECAUSE THE TWO ARE FUNDAMENTALLY DIFFERENT. Where are the repeated instances of defeat being snatched from the jaws of victory in White Sox history? Where are those dramatic Game 7s? Where are the years of great not being good enough because the hated rival a few hundred miles away was greater?

Oh. That's right. THEY DON'T EXIST. The White Sox just flat out haven't been very good for the past 90 years. Yes, that futility makes their fans "long suffering." But it is different.

It's not different because I'm a Red Sox fan and I'm so special. It's different because the way the story has played out is, undeniably, substantively different. In that respect, the team in this World Series that parallels the Red Sox most closely is not the White Sox, 88 years be damned. It's the Astros, who came so close in '86. It's the Astros who, incidentally, have spent more time in the postseason since 1980 than the White Sox have since 1917.

So to say that White Sox fans have suffered as much as Red Sox fans, and it's a travesty that we haven't been talking about 1917 all these years: No. You're wrong. It's not a travesty. The White Sox have been a travesty. But I can tell you from having experienced it both ways, it hurts so much more to come close and fail than it does to simply fail. The White Sox have simply failed. That doesn't breed heartbreak. It breeds apathy. And so:

2. You want to complain about how much more attention was given to 1918? Well, why don't you start by pointing the finger at Fox, which can't get four seconds into a Red Sox broadcast without bringing it up (even still). Then point the finger at ESPN, which passes four seconds...but can't pass fifteen. Then blame MLB, who decided it would be good for the Red Sox to start and end the season against the Yankees.

Then blame yourselves, who apparently would rather write about the Red Sox than this year's World Series.

And why is that? Search your heart. You know the answer: IT'S BECAUSE NOBODY CARES ABOUT THE WHITE SOX. And not very many people care about the Astros. I am not better than a White Sox fan because I root for the Red Sox. But Red Sox fans as a whole ARE better than White Sox fans. Why? Because we exist. And so do Yankees fans, by the way.

That's why 1918 got so much more attention than even the droughts of teams who actually have experienced some heartbreak along the way, like the Astros, or the Angels until a few years ago. Because we exist, and we care. And our enemies exist, and they care.

So get over the whole comparing the White Sox to the Red Sox. There is no comparison. Write about what's happening right now. Scott Podsednik has more home runs in the World Series than he did in the regular season. That might be a story, right there. 1917, though? Really, who cares? Seven people in Chicago?
wincheck
Yeesh, our skin is thinner than I would have thought after a world series championship...
BklynSoxFan44
QUOTE(rominer @ Oct 24 2005, 02:25 PM)
You know, it's all just words to fill a page to earn a paycheck.

And the Red Sox were the champs last year, did have a long championship drought, and now we have the White Sox and Astros with well over 100 years of championship drought between them.

So there are parallels. And where there aren't parallels, writers will invent them. That's what they do.

That said:

1. Why did the Red Sox "curse" get so much more attention than the White Sox and their many years without a title? BECAUSE THE TWO ARE FUNDAMENTALLY DIFFERENT. Where are the repeated instances of defeat being snatched from the jaws of victory in White Sox history? Where are those dramatic Game 7s? Where are the years of great not being good enough because the hated rival a few hundred miles away was greater?

Oh. That's right. THEY DON'T EXIST. The White Sox just flat out haven't been very good for the past 90 years. Yes, that futility makes their fans "long suffering." But it is different.

It's not different because I'm a Red Sox fan and I'm so special. It's different because the way the story has played out is, undeniably, substantively different. In that respect, the team in this World Series that parallels the Red Sox most closely is not the White Sox, 88 years be damned. It's the Astros, who came so close in '86. It's the Astros who, incidentally, have spent more time in the postseason since 1980 than the White Sox have since 1917.

So to say that White Sox fans have suffered as much as Red Sox fans, and it's a travesty that we haven't been talking about 1917 all these years: No. You're wrong. It's not a travesty. The White Sox have been a travesty. But I can tell you from having experienced it both ways, it hurts so much more to come close and fail than it does to simply fail. The White Sox have simply failed. That doesn't breed heartbreak. It breeds apathy. And so:

2. You want to complain about how much more attention was given to 1918? Well, why don't you start by pointing the finger at Fox, which can't get four seconds into a Red Sox broadcast without bringing it up (even still). Then point the finger at ESPN, which passes four seconds...but can't pass fifteen. Then blame MLB, who decided it would be good for the Red Sox to start and end the season against the Yankees.

Then blame yourselves, who apparently would rather write about the Red Sox than this year's World Series.

And why is that? Search your heart. You know the answer: IT'S BECAUSE NOBODY CARES ABOUT THE WHITE SOX. And not very many people care about the Astros. I am not better than a White Sox fan because I root for the Red Sox. But Red Sox fans as a whole ARE better than White Sox fans. Why? Because we exist. And so do Yankees fans, by the way.

That's why 1918 got so much more attention than even the droughts of teams who actually have experienced some heartbreak along the way, like the Astros, or the Angels until a few years ago. Because we exist, and we care. And our enemies exist, and they care.

So get over the whole comparing the White Sox to the Red Sox. There is no comparison. Write about what's happening right now. Scott Podsednik has more home runs in the World Series than he did in the regular season. That might be a story, right there. 1917, though? Really, who cares? Seven people in Chicago?
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You brought up some excellent points. The Astros postseason experience is FAR closer to the Red Sox than the White Sox one is. The White Sox have been bad far much more than they've been good, and from 1959 on, their postseasons losses have not been memorable.

You also have to remember that the Red Sox have a rival in New York, and the White Sox don't. Believe me, we'd hear nothing but "1917" if the Yankees had the White Sox as a rival.
rominer
QUOTE(wincheck @ Oct 24 2005, 11:28 AM)
Yeesh, our skin is thinner than I would have thought after a world series championship...
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Nah, not thin skinned after a championship. More like, "even more sick of it now than I was 3 years ago." If someone wants to bring up 1918 and the Red Sox, and show some semblance of actually having half a clue what it's all about, then great.

And I have nothing wrong with negative press, either, if it's warranted.

But I'm so, so, so sick of national media hype from a bunch of hacks who don't even know what they are talking about. I have had more than enough of Fox and ESPN. I've had more than enough of the Red Sox being a metaphor for everything, and everything being a metaphor for the Red Sox. It's not Red Sox fans who blow it all out of proportion, it's a bunch of outsiders who are too lazy to find an interesting story anywhere else in baseball.

I was sick of it long before the Sox won the World Series. And, f**k it, everybody has been writing about the Yankees for years without having a clue, so I suppose it's a mark of success and we should all be glad for the national media overkill. But it's tiring. It steals some of my fun and enjoyment of the game. So I'm all too happy to fly off the handle and overreact, at least until such time as I'm allowed an amateur cage match with members of the media. pimp.gif

(Plus, typing is never as much fun as it is when ranting incoherently!)

EDIT:

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You also have to remember that the Red Sox have a rival in New York, and the White Sox don't. Believe me, we'd hear nothing but "1917" if the Yankees had the White Sox as a rival.


Absolutely. That was part of my point. I suppose maybe Twins fans like to chant "1917" when the White Sox come to town. But probably not.
JohntheBaptist
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Absolutely. That was part of my point. I suppose maybe Twins fans like to chant "1917" when the White Sox come to town. But probably not.


This might have something to do as well with Twins fans not being the colossal douchebag that your average Yankee fan is. FWIW.
wincheck
QUOTE(rominer @ Oct 24 2005, 05:10 PM)
Nah, not thin skinned after a championship. More like, "even more sick of it now than I was 3 years ago." If someone wants to bring up 1918 and the Red Sox, and show some semblance of actually having half a clue what it's all about, then great.

And I have nothing wrong with negative press, either, if it's warranted.

But I'm so, so, so sick of national media hype from a bunch of hacks who don't even know what they are talking about. I have had more than enough of Fox and ESPN. I've had more than enough of the Red Sox being a metaphor for everything, and everything being a metaphor for the Red Sox. It's not Red Sox fans who blow it all out of proportion, it's a bunch of outsiders who are too lazy to find an interesting story anywhere else in baseball.

I was sick of it long before the Sox won the World Series. And, f**k it, everybody has been writing about the Yankees for years without having a clue, so I suppose it's a mark of success and we should all be glad for the national media overkill. But it's tiring. It steals some of my fun and enjoyment of the game. So I'm all too happy to fly off the handle and overreact, at least until such time as I'm allowed an amateur cage match with members of the media.  pimp.gif

(Plus, typing is never as much fun as it is when ranting incoherently!)

EDIT:
Absolutely. That was part of my point. I suppose maybe Twins fans like to chant "1917" when the White Sox come to town. But probably not.
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You're right. The Red Sox are one of the most overexposed teams in sports history. And it's not the fault of the fans, it's the fault of the east coast dominated sports media. So it is silly for writers to criticize the fans for that hype; but it's equally silly to get so bent out of shape over it.

It could be worse, we could be Pirate fans.

FWIW, I think Caple can be generally funny; one just has to remember that he doesn't (nor should we) take his columns seriously.
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