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rpry17a
Carl Pavano's 1st mound session will be pushed back 10 to 14 days after a specialist prescribed a stabilization program on his lower back. He of course says it's "just stiffness" but we know better than that. tongue.gif

http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article...t=.jsp&c_id=mlb
yazgoesbacklooksupitsgone
To paraphrase the words and wisdom of SI's John Donovan, his back is iffy but with that lineup, who cares?

Har!
JohntheBaptist
Wow. Those two contracts they signed last offseason were monumentally bad. Wright and Pavano are going to be locked in a deathmatch this season for fewest IP, I bet.
cracker
QUOTE(JohntheBaptist @ Feb 16 2006, 07:55 AM) [snapback]472490[/snapback]

Wow. Those two contracts they signed last offseason were monumentally bad. Wright and Pavano are going to be locked in a deathmatch this season for fewest IP, I bet.


I'll admit right now that this post adds nothing in terms or relevant discussion, but...

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!
Sox Sweep Again
Hey, remember, it's not whether you win or lose, it's how you play the game.

We want to beat the Yankees fair and square, right?

Let's all hope for the immediate return to health of the good Mr. Pavano, and may his season be blessed.


NOT!!!!!!!!
virginia7dave
Lets have a show of hands on how many Rooters are glad he did not sign with Boston. Clement may not be perfect but at his money I would rather have him than Pavano. Ok everyone put your hands down now.
RedSoxAnni
Here's the Hartford Courant's take on Pavano:

Dom Amore - Pavano's Back Hurting Again; Ailment Could Force Him To Start Season On DL


In 2005, his first spring training with the Yankees after signing a four-year, $40 million contract, Pavano strained his back but said little about the injury and the Yankees dismissed it. Now, they suspect he altered his motion to favor his back and developed the tendinitis in his right shoulder that destroyed his season.
Doc
QUOTE(RedSoxAnni @ Feb 16 2006, 11:21 AM) [snapback]472524[/snapback]

Here's the Hartford Courant's take on Pavano:

Dom Amore - Pavano's Back Hurting Again; Ailment Could Force Him To Start Season On DL
In 2005, his first spring training with the Yankees after signing a four-year, $40 million contract, Pavano strained his back but said little about the injury and the Yankees dismissed it. Now, they suspect he altered his motion to favor his back and developed the tendinitis in his right shoulder that destroyed his season.

With the other reports that Carl is unhappy with the whole MFY experience it's amazing that his back is seemingly connected to his stones
Harry Bobbin Manass
It sounds like Pavano won't be ready to go on April 15th, which is when the Yankees first need a 5th starter:

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Pavano is expected to need about 25-30 innings before joining the club in April, though Torre said Monday that the right-hander may even need 35 innings since he hasn't pitched since the middle of last year.

That essentially eliminates the possibility that Pavano could return by April 15, which is the first date the Yankees will need a fifth starter.

"We've been conservative the whole time," Torre said, "so we're not about to try to force him to get enough innings by that date."

Yankees.com
Harry Bobbin Manass
Pavano has a sore ass.

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A couple of hours after Pavano pitched another inning against the Phillies’ Double-A club at the Yankees’ minor league complex, Joe Torre revealed Pavano suffered a bruise on the left side of his rear end as a result of the play. Earlier, Pavano told reporters he felt good after his outing and would pitch two innings in an extended spring game Sunday.

Torre threw that plan out. Though it’s unrelated to his prior ailments, and Pavano insisted on pitching Thursday, Torre stopped him from throwing after 12 pitches to four batters because it looked like he was wincing.

“It hurts. That covers it all,” Torre said. “I don’t think we can schedule him now until the soreness gets out.

Yes Network

I'm starting to think that perhaps Carl is just a wee bit soft.
Sox Sweep Again
QUOTE(Harry Bobbin Manass @ Mar 30 2006, 08:21 PM) [snapback]491879[/snapback]

Pavano has a sore ass.
Yes Network

I'm starting to think that perhaps Carl is just a wee bit soft.

This borders upon ridiculous! Is this guy the equivalent of Glass Joe from the fabled video game?
Harry Bobbin Manass
Pavano's Butt MRI™ was negative, but he's not going to pitch again until his Ass Soreness® subsides. They think it's nothing serious, but -- and this is a Big Butt -- they want don't want to push it.

AP Story on Pavano's Haunches

yazgoesbacklooksupitsgone
QUOTE(Harry Bobbin Manass @ Mar 31 2006, 10:44 PM) [snapback]492373[/snapback]

Pavano's Butt MRI™ was negative, but he's not going to pitch again until his Ass Soreness® subsides. They think it's nothing serious, but -- and this is a Big Butt -- they want don't want to push it.

AP Story on Pavano's Haunches



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The Yankees also shut down right-hander Carl Pavano, who already had been scheduled to begin the season on the disabled list because of a back injury. Pavano bruised his left buttocks diving for first base while making a play in a minor league game on Tuesday.



How do you bruise your ass diving for anything? You stomach, your thighs, knees, hands, shoulder, your face even. Did the base runner step on him?

mwpeters8182
I wonder if there's another injury there, and they're making this bump/bruise seem like mrore than it is. It seems odd that you'd 1) Bruise your ass diving for anything and 2) let it keep you out for any period of time.
JohntheBaptist
QUOTE(mwpeters8182 @ Apr 1 2006, 01:52 AM) [snapback]492412[/snapback]

I wonder if there's another injury there, and they're making this bump/bruise seem like mrore than it is. It seems odd that you'd 1) Bruise your ass diving for anything and 2) let it keep you out for any period of time.

IIRC, Trot's injury sustained driving to Spring Training in 04 started as a "sore ass." It's often indicative of a larger back issue, which is no stranger to Pavano.
Sox Sweep Again
QUOTE(JohntheBaptist @ Apr 1 2006, 12:13 PM) [snapback]492494[/snapback]

IIRC, Trot's injury sustained driving to Spring Training in 04 started as a "sore ass." It's often indicative of a larger back issue, which is no stranger to Pavano.

That's right- a sciatic injury will be a giant "pain in the ass" and it is a major nerve that runs right up to your lower back. The way he dived and rolled on the play that injured him, he may have yanked that nerve.

The New York papers, however, are questioning whether Pavano is faking or exaggerating injuries in order to avoid the spotlight.

One of the columnists, Jon Heyman, quoted Pavano as sitting on a workout machine and saying "I can't believe I get paid for this" in a "not un-happy way:"

Jon Heyman
SPORTS COLUMNIST
Pavano a $39.95-million mound of disappointment
NY Newday

...There are issues, starting with Carl Pavano, who isn't the guy they expected when they signed him for $39.95 million. Now, far too late, one scout told Newsday that Pavano is wrong for them.

"Southington, Connecticut is a long way from New York," the scout said. "He would have been a first- or second-round pick if his makeup was better." Pavano went to the Red Sox in the 13th round in 1994.

The $39.95-million enigma has reported an assortment of physical ailments since signing and doesn't always give the impression he's anxious to get back to work. The other day he was heard to mutter, "I can't believe I get paid for this -- ," and not in an unhappy way...
nickdog
QUOTE(Harry Bobbin Manass @ Mar 31 2006, 10:44 PM) [snapback]492373[/snapback]

Pavano's Butt MRI™ was negative, but he's not going to pitch again until his Ass Soreness® subsides. They think it's nothing serious, but -- and this is a Big Butt -- they want don't want to push it.

AP Story on Pavano's Haunches


Hahaha.

He has been such a disaster for them.

Of course they can "afford" it.
Janeyjane17
QUOTE(nickdog @ Apr 2 2006, 08:46 AM) [snapback]492714[/snapback]

Hahaha.

He has been such a disaster for them.

Of course they can "afford" it.


I don't care if he's pitching for the Yankees, or on the DL (though the DL is more of a drain on them financially, if such a thing exists). He's an average pitching who greatly benefitted from playing in the NL in front of a quality defense. Facing AL line ups, in front of the Yankee defense - let's just say I don't shake in my boots. At least with Pavano in the rotation, the Yanks are a little less likely to eat a ton of money to go get a better pitcher who will hit the market.
Harry Bobbin Manass
QUOTE(Janeyjane17 @ Apr 2 2006, 12:48 PM) [snapback]492768[/snapback]

I don't care if he's pitching for the Yankees, or on the DL (though the DL is more of a drain on them financially, if such a thing exists). He's an average pitching who greatly benefitted from playing in the NL in front of a quality defense. Facing AL line ups, in front of the Yankee defense - let's just say I don't shake in my boots. At least with Pavano in the rotation, the Yanks are a little less likely to eat a ton of money to go get a better pitcher who will hit the market.

While I agree with your assessment of Pavano in general, I'd rather the Yankees trot out Wright, Proctor or Small every 5th day than Pavano. Let's hope this is the Mother of All Ass Bruises™.
Janeyjane17
QUOTE(Harry Bobbin Manass @ Apr 2 2006, 01:07 PM) [snapback]492800[/snapback]

While I agree with your assessment of Pavano in general, I'd rather the Yankees trot out Wright, Proctor or Small every 5th day than Pavano. Let's hope this is the Mother of All Ass Bruises™.


Wright probably won't be trotted out there too often. I'm not sure the Yanks will stick with sending Small or Proctor out there on a regular basis if they aren't performing well. Cashman will be told to find some way to get a pitcher in a Yankees uniform.
Harry Bobbin Manass
QUOTE(Janeyjane17 @ Apr 2 2006, 02:31 PM) [snapback]492807[/snapback]

Wright probably won't be trotted out there too often. I'm not sure the Yanks will stick with sending Small or Proctor out there on a regular basis if they aren't performing well. Cashman will be told to find some way to get a pitcher in a Yankees uniform.

Wright is the 5th starter as long as Pavano is out, with Small and Proctor next in line. It's really, really hard to trade for pitching early in the season. Certainly nobody any good is going to be available in April and May.

Seems to me the worst-case scenario for the Yankees is that Pavano continues to be extremely fragile and can't pitch, and the Yankees burn through Wright, Small and Proctor before being forced to turn to the trade market. Even though Pavano's not that good, having him return to the rotation on schedule is good for the Yankees.

Janeyjane17
QUOTE(Harry Bobbin Manass @ Apr 2 2006, 02:04 PM) [snapback]492821[/snapback]

Wright is the 5th starter as long as Pavano is out, with Small and Proctor next in line. It's really, really hard to trade for pitching early in the season. Certainly nobody any good is going to be available in April and May.

Seems to me the worst-case scenario for the Yankees is that Pavano continues to be extremely fragile and can't pitch, and the Yankees burn through Wright, Small and Proctor before being forced to turn to the trade market. Even though Pavano's not that good, having him return to the rotation on schedule is good for the Yankees.



I'm saying I am not expecting Wright to be healthy. Eaither way, I'm not particularly bothered by the health of Pavano, either way.
Harry Bobbin Manass
QUOTE(Janeyjane17 @ Apr 2 2006, 03:10 PM) [snapback]492822[/snapback]

I'm saying I am not expecting Wright to be healthy.

Even better. smile.gif

QUOTE(Janeyjane17 @ Apr 2 2006, 03:10 PM) [snapback]492822[/snapback]
Eaither way, I'm not particularly bothered by the health of Pavano, either way.

OK. I'm not real worried about him either, but he's pretty clearly their best option for the rotation, so the longer he's out, the better. Maybe he'll cut himself shaving and be out until the All-Star break.
Harry Bobbin Manass
We are talking about one serious ass bruise here.

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Carl Pavano is headed to Dr. Watkins for a check of his problematic back. There have been whispers from some in Yankee camp that Pavano will likely need surgery, almost certainly season-ending and perhaps career-ending. The team knows Philip Hughes is close to ready and that Pavano’s contract is insured for backs.

Baseball Prospectus (subscription only)
Pede
QUOTE(Harry Bobbin Manass @ Apr 5 2006, 06:29 PM) [snapback]494774[/snapback]

We are talking about one serious ass bruise here.


Well, he is on the same team as Jeter & A-Rod.

You know, I'm just sayin'!

Maybe some strange sort of team initiation practice?
JamieNYY
Kevin Brown syndrone. Obviously without the pitching resume.
Harry Bobbin Manass
Sounds like the BP report of possible surgery was unfounded.

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OAKLAND -- The Yankees received some positive news on the health of Carl Pavano on Wednesday, as a back specialist told the club that the pitcher's bruised backside had no impact on the balky back that kept him out most of the spring.

Dr. Robert Watkins, the Southern California specialist who examined Pavano's back in February, looked at the MRI taken last week and determined there was no structural damage. He recommended Pavano continue the core stabilization program he has been doing for two months, telling general manager Brian Cashman that Pavano can get on a mound when he feels ready.

Yankees.com
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