It was just on Cold Pizza. Looking for a link. Sorry if this isn't thread-worthy.

Edit: Links are hard to come by, it seems. Though, it is "breaking news".

Of course this would be thread worthy

I just saw this on Cold Pizza too. Looking for a link as well. This is great news if true.

Depends on who we gave up, of course. But given Bard's struggles and the relative ages of Wakefield and Mirabelli, it may just make sense to let the two of them ride off into the sunset together.

Caught it as well! Buster Olney wouldnt report it if not true... He only speculates about the Yanks... Have to remember next time that Olney has a contact in the padres org...

I am so stoked! I have tickets fifth rows behind the yankees bullpen tonight!

I cannot wait to see the reaction for Mirabelli!

Awesome!

I had a feeling this would happen. It is great news if they did.
It would be hilarious if they traded Belli for Seanez.

Idk, I liked Bard. He wasn't THAT bad.. Belli was bad in his first year too and Bard O hasn't been costing us much. Plus he's young, cheap, defensive catcher who can take pitches. Easy to lock in and fill the back up catching spot for a long time.

Trade rumor: Seanez for Belli

I joked about it in the Bard thread but at SOSH they are saying Seanez or Seanez and Bard for Mirabelli.

How about Seanez and Bard for Mirabelli?

Edit: Doc beat me to it

Dale Arnold just opined on WEEI that, "Rudy Seanez would be too much to give up for Doug Mirabelli."

Yes, I laughed aloud.

...Seanez and Bard for Mirabelli might be a bit much... oh well

Seanez and Bard for Belli would solve two problems. No more passed balls every three pitches, and no more Seanez. Wow. So basically we (may have) traded Seanez and Bard for Loretta, and we kept Belli.

this is ridiculous. Bard will get the hang of it in time for the playoffs. Sheesh

Immediately before they were talking about how Seanez has to go... Maybe Bruins management has rubbed off on poor Dale...

Suppose we trade Bard and Seanez, who takes Seanez' spot in the pen? Riske?

If it IS a Seanez Mirabelli swap, what would they do with Bard?

I like Bard, too, just not to catch Wake, at least not right now. I do hope we get to keep him, though.

Perhaps Hansen?

That would be sweet.

Choose one:

Ginter
Hansen
Van Buren
Bausher

My prediction? Van Buren

Bard's a pretty OK player, but he is what he is and he's just about average for a catcher. You don't bend over backwards to keep average players.

I'm disappointed that so many people are that down on Seanez. Arnold is right that Seanez is too much to give up for a backup catcher, except in this case the peace of mind may just be worth it.

I think the real lesson here is just how disparate the AL and NL are righ tnow. Pedro's throwing 86 and making a run at the Cy, all these NL pitchers keep coming to the AL and getting shelled, and Bronson goes to the NL Central and is suddenly dominant.

I wonder if there is any possibility of him playing other positions(almost certainly not though). Id really hate to lose him as we would be losing all of our depth at catcher and Tek is already hurting...(please dont throw Ken Huckaby and Corky Miller in my face... )

Considering that we are now within a month of the next draft, might there be a PTBNL included, which would turn into a 2005 draftee?

Don't you have to wait a year to trade someone who's been drafted?

Yes, but a PTBNL can be named within a certain amount of time (can't remember whether it is 30 or 60 days), which puts the 2005 draftees in play.

I'll be able to sleep better at night. Don't really know how it would be too much. Belli has a lot more pop in his bat coming off the bench as well.

Well done, IMO.

This is exaclty what I thouhgt. Paging Craig Hansen. Craig Hansen to Yawkey Way please.

Sure, Mirabelli may just be a back up catcher, but don't forget about his locker room presence and all those juicy intangibles.

Bard, Meredith, and cash!

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2428645

An absolute steal, imho.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2428645

The Boston Red Sox have finalized a trade to obtain catcher Doug Mirabelli from the San Diego Padres in exchange for catcher Josh Bard, minor-league pitcher Clay Meredith and cash, ESPN The Magazine's Buster Olney is reporting.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2428645

We gave up Bard and CLA?!

Possible, but I doubt it. He's had one appearance at AAA. They've committed to taking their time with him. One possibility that hasn't been mentioned is Mike Holtz. That would get Tito a lefty in the pen. Holtz has pitched well so far for the PawSox (2.61 ERA, 0.87 WHIP, 14 Ks in 10.1 IP).

Already being discussed.

From the ESPN article...



http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2428645

Eeeh. Not too crazy about that, Cla was doing well in Pawtucket. And we still have Seanez.

Edit: AND a PTBNL? Yikes

Bard, Clay Meredith and Cash

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2428645

Not a huge fan of Cla being involved in the trade.

Damn. ****ing Seanez is still here? He needs to go away. Anyways, since it's about lunchtime:



I said, with quite certainty, that Belli would not be back for tonight's game. I was wrong.

Thereby driving up the price, forcing the Sox to add Meredith to this deal.

If I'm being honest, the winners in this deal are the Yankees.

Bard AND Clay...? This deal should have been over at Clay. Are we getting anything else back besides Belli?

A steal? Eh, it's alright.

Bard is younger, cheaper, doesn't have a sore back and is probably better overall than Mirabelli right now. The only thing Mirabelli has over him is that he can catch the knuckleball. That's important to Boston, but San Diego made out pretty well to get Meredith and cash thrown in.

Mirabelli is hitting .182/.308/.227 this year after being pretty bad offensively last year (.228/.309//412). Welcome back, though!

This is awful. We traded a young catcher who was learning to catch a knuckeball and could hit a little for a 36 year old with a bad back who's hitting .182. What happened to thinking "long term"? Why has everyone forgotten how to spell Cla Meredith?

I said, with quite certainty, that Belli would not be back for tonight's game. I was wrong.
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No harm no foul.....I think Cla Meredith may have been a little steep.

Well, glad Belli is back, if only because it stabilizes our rotation with Wakes now (hopefully). However, giving up Meredith with Bard was a little too steep. Long-term, we now don't have a future young catcher on the horizon as Varitek will not be able to be the starter by the last year of his contract (gave away Shoppach and now Bard), which concerns me in 2008.

I didn't see much hope for Meredith as a huge part of the Sox' future roster, so I don't think this is much of a loss. I think that Cla is the exact type of MiL pitcher that a team should use as trade bait.

Only one man's opinion, though.

Hypothetically speaking, if back in January or so the Sox had made a trade of Bard and Meredith for Seanez and Loretta, most everyone here would be thrilled. That is basically the end-result but I think the fact that it's May 1st and there's been little instant gratification to speak of regarding Seanez or Loretta, people are not happy. I think this is a fair deal if you look at the big picture.

Did anyone really think Meredith was ever going to be a solid major league reliever? I sure didn't.

We gave up Bard, Cla, a few bucks, and probably a A-ball prospect for Dougie. As posted over on SoSH, 14 of Wake's 19 runs allowed have been earned (73%), whereas the AL average is 91% earned. That's why we got him. Also, can't hurt to bring in a guy who can hit LHP a little.

Doesn't this seem like a panic move? Just seems to me kind of early to be pushing the panic button.....just doesn't seem Theo-ish.

Next week: Willy Mo, Wells & Hansen to Cinci for Bronson?

With 'Belli gone, Wake's value plummeted. It's an expensive insurance policy, but for Wake to be effective he needs Mirabelli. Wake can pitch 300 innings, but if someone isn't catching (or blocking) the ball, it's all for naught.

Giving up Cla was a bit steep, but ultimately necessary. The Loretta trade was good because it upgraded our defense up the middle. Unfortunately, having bard catching Wake negated that.

At the start of todays game, our team defense will be better.

We can't always be right.

Welcome back Belli, you're not the cure for everything, but at least we know the FO is being pro-active this year and I like that.