I haven't posted much, but as a dedicated Sox fan living behind the pinstriped curtain, I've had a little abbreviation for MFY fans for years - I call 'em "LLFs", which stands for "Lower Life Forms" - this is due to the constant harassment that they give all other team's fans - not just us - I have seen grown men assault 12 year old kids wearing Royals stuff in Yankee Stadium. I tend to look at most Yankee's fans like the little toadies that would hang out with Butch from the Little Rascals - you know, the creeps that wait for the bully to say something and then they say "Yeah!"

Apparently they don't care for the LLF term and they can't understand it - but it drives 'em nuts anyway.

it's buggin' them on this thread.

Yankee chants about the Sox.

I gotta say; using the phrase 'MFY' is one thing...but starting an entire thread on pet names for the Yanks?

Sorry if I don't see the point. Then again, I'm not a big fan of the "Yankees Suck" chant, either.

God I hate MFY fans...some good proposed chants in that thread though.

If I may be stereotypical...cheezy windpants, gold jewelry, cheap MFY hat, guido stylings...that is what makes up the majority of MFY fans I've seen at Fenway, in Florida on vacation, and in life.

Sox fans are good looking, well mannered, and friendly.

I agree with PSF. Name calling and trash talking are things we discourage on this site. Doing so invites 1918 comments from NY fans, and we would much rather have informed debate on the merits of our team(s).

For that reason, the title of this topic has been changed to encourage a better exchange of ideas on the subject.

So basically you are saying Vinny from Queens. Fair enough. Probably drives an Iroc, right?

Well, the MFY version of Sox fans is probably a fat, ugly, lazier version of Casey Affleck's character in Good Will Hunting. Basically a good for nothing drunk Irishman.

I guess that suits the stereotypical negative vision of Bostonians and New Yorkers.

edit -- One of the cool things about going to games in Yankee Stadium is the occasional friendly discourse with an informed MFY fan who can step back and look at the team in a realistic way. These are the "Joe Torre" Yankee fans who are able to acknowledge that the MFY dominance is related to their starters and Rivera and that Jeter is not the best player on field and they are not drawn into the 1918 chants.

I like those Yankee fans. I know a few of them.

I also know a few of the obnoxious Yankee fans -- geographically they tend to congregate in Bayside, Queens -- which is odd because that's Met territory. The thing is, if they are obnoxious Yankee fans they tend to be obnoxious in everything else. They say things like Tom Brady is overrated and that Chad Pennington is the next Joe Namath. They say things like Boston sucks because you can't get a BLT at 4 in the morning. They say things like Boston sucks because the subway closes at 12:30. Basically, they say Boston sucks because it's not NY.

I think the idea of starting a thread to come up with new names to call the Yankee fans is sophmoric at best. I hope that those Yankee fans that read this don't associate the entire site and all of the posters with this thread. Each side has their blowhard fans that just want to talk trash and antagonize the other side, they also have the exact opposite; people that want to intelligently discuss baseball and enjoy that 'postseason' feeling that the games between these two clubs have. On this site, you'll find that the vast majority of us are the latter.

Oh my...
Wouldn't want to upset the Yankees fans.
How about:

MRY (Mother Respecting Yankees)
CAC (Class Act Crew)
OSR (Our Superior Rivals)
GGGG (George's Grateful Good Guys)

or something as treasonous and wimpy...

in each of the three major rivalries (NY-BOS, CHI-STL, SF-LA), one team has much better fans than the other. Red Sox fans are much better fans than Yankee Fans, Cardinal fans are much better fans than Cub Fans, and GIant fans are much better fans than Dodger Fans

I DEFINITELY AGREE with Giants-Dodgers and Yanks-Sox, but I have to disagree with CUBS-CARDS I think they're both damn good groups of fans. I used to go to Giants Dodgers games in LA and it was awesome rooting for the Giants. Dodger fans are a - holes. There's absolutely no tailgaiting allowed before the games at Dodger Stadium. Security walks up to you if you stand outside your car for more than a few minutes. But after the game, we were all wearing sox stuff (interleague, 2002) and a group of gang bangers started throwing bottles at us. No security after the game to stop that. Real nice. Overrated stadium too!

You know, some of the chants they're thinking of are rather wicked.

Nomar:
"A-ROD"
"They - Don't - Want - You"
"TRADE BAIT"

Manny:
"WAI-VERS"

Pedro:
"GRA-DY"

Wakefield:
"AA-RON BOONE"

Why shouldn't we be coming up with chants?
What's wrong with gamesmanship?
When did the SoSH elite take over the bar?

"TU-MOR" for Kevin Brown?
"STE-ROIDS" or "BAL-CO" for Giambi or Sheff?

I would advocate against turning this thread into a name calling contest - it just comes across as petty and classless. In staying with the title of this thread, I view the Yankee fans as one of the following:

1) bandwagon hoppers who know little about the game

2) knowledgeable and passionate fans who demonstrate their support for their team.

3) I won't even try to explain, I'll just quote Bill Simmons (Boston Sports Guy) on this:
"Here's my point: I would never do something like that. And that's the difference between Yankee fans and everyone else. They delight in tweaking their rivals, seeing other fans miserable, pushing everyone's buttons. They honestly believe that supporting a champion makes them better than everyone else. They are never happy, no matter how well the Yankees are doing. And they talk so much smack, you root against them almost as much as you root for your own team. Not only are they the resident bully, they like it that way, as their insufferable chest-thumping after the A-Rod trade proved once again."

The last group are the ones we tend to talk smack to. In all fainress, there are a similar group of asstards who are Red Sox fans that do classless things like throw beer and batteries at Yankee players and fans.

Guys I'm deeply hurt...

Boston without the NYY's is like a snake without venom...

Annoying, but pretty damn funny....that is until I actually have to listen to that crap.

I like the Bal-co chant for Giambi/Sheff

Oh my...

Wouldn't want to look like we're above the maturity level of 14-year olds.

Wouldn't want to look like we have some class and intelligence.

Wouldn't want to prove to Yankee fans that we're not the drunken Irish blowhards that we're often made out to be.

Nah, why would we want to do any of that?

I guess I just dont get why you even care about Yankee fans, and why instead of coming here and posting about topics pertinent to the team you love, youd go on THEIR site and pester them. Theyre fans too, you know, they have a right to love the MFY and hate us.

I could NOT care less about the MFY. Or their fans. I just want to win the games we are playing against them. The rest- oh well.

not to quibble, but sheffield didn't go to balco, he had ties to anderson

I like this guy. He holds himself a lot better here than some of the Sox fans over at nyyfans.com. I just wish we could close ranks and leave them to themselves. It gets kind of embarassing. This is like a Republican going to a gay bar and trying to talk them all off their sinnin' ways. Not only are there more of them and 100% against you, youre not going to make a dent AND theyre more impassioned on their own turf!

Stick to the Sox, its more fun.

You've GOT to be kidding.

We're talking about CHANTS.
Not throwing batteries.
Not prank-calling.
Not mooning.

Chants...
Forgive me, but isn't chanting a hallowed tradition at sporting events?
Isn't inventing chants a way to demonstrate our collective wit?
Isn't it - I don't know - FUN?

The maturity level of 14 year olds?
Hellooooo, we're SPORTS FANS.
We're rooting for a bunch of strangers playing a GAME.

Yankees fans are not our parents or guardians.
Yankees fans are not some "cool kid" we want to impress.
We have NOTHING to prove to Yankees fans.

Mind you, if the chants are out-of-bounds, like "YOUR WIFE IS UG-LY" or "YOU KILL PUP-PIES", then I'd be offended, too. But the chants I've seen so far are totally fair.

Thanks for the kind words, but I do pick on the Red Sox quite a bit, but realize that it's all in fun... Just think how boring baseball would be if we didn't have each other to bust...

This season coming up is going to be great and without either team it would be boring...

So here's to busting each other and a great FUN season...

Yes, this will be a fun season, NYYFAN. I agree that the Sox without the Yanks (and vice versa) is like peanut butter without jelly or bread without butter. It's like yin without yang, ebb without flow, AC without DC, NASCAR fans without mullets. We sometimes forget how good our baseball lives are because we have this rivalry to invigorate us 365 days a year. I mean, who even felt like there was an offseason this year?

By the way, can you remake your avatar with a red tint and send it to our own RedSoxBrain to use? That would be perfect!

-MALC

As a Red Sox fan in Yankee Stadium, I felt fairly safe. The occasional friendly harassment; nothing serious. Perhaps I was fortunate on our annual trip to the Bronx, or maybe too drunk to care. On the other hand if I were a :champs dumbass Yankee fan at Fenway I would be quite concerned.

I stole my avatar, and have no clue how to turn it red...I'm sure someone talented enough here can figure it out and are welcome to do it...

Edit: see below for link to this picture.

Hey, whatever picture you posted doesn't appear.

Did it happen to be the companion to the Jeter Swallows T-Shirt:

ARod Spits?

Does anyone actually wear one of those stupid "Yankees Suck" shirts? God I ****ing hate those. I dont understand not wanting to spend money on the team you LIKE. I'll never forget letting my jaw drop in awe at Fenway upon seeing a guy wearing an authentic road Sox jersey with a number 21 and the name? "Yankees Suck." Thats 200+ dollars. Wouldnt you rather spend the money on a player you like? I just dont understand it in the least. I get not liking the Yankees, but seriously- LIKE the Sox, dont waste time hating the MFY.

Ain't nothing wrong with spending a $20 on a cheap Yankees Suck shirt.

Ain't nothing wrong with chanting it, either.
I think we all realize the literal inaccuracy of the statement.
It's just an expression of pure, collective loathing.

The Sox don't exist in a vacuum.
We have an arch rival.
Deal with it.

Amen.....

What other people have on their body has no bearing on my life. All it is, is something to chant and something to wear to a game.

Hmm, will try a link then. It's the red version of NYYFAN's avatar.

I dont think it has any bearing on my life, but I just genuinely dont understand it. No, the Red Sox dont exist in a vaccuum, but they also have a great team worth focusing on, IMO. I wonder if you guys realize how foolish it looks to chant that crap when were playing the Royals. Im not suggesting you specifically do it, and I can appreciate having fun with "hating" the Yankees. But to make it an active part of your fandom, your hatred of another team- alls Im sayin is, I totally dont get it. Seems to take the fun of it, to me. I like my team just fine to be satisfied, thanks.

With regards to the "Yankees s*ck" chant I absolutely hate it. I will not participate and have never participated in that chant. If the Sox win Game 7 then I'm all for the chant, but as far as I'm concerned its almost idiotic to start the chant.

The fact is that they do not s*ck. Actually, we have come in second place in the division the past how many years? I get really annoyed when I hear the chant when we aren't playing the Yankees as well. I find the chant embarrassing.

Also, its bad luck. Trust me on this one but every time I hear the damn chant then something goes wrong for the Sox. I remember being at Fenway for one game and the Sox were losing but people started chanting Yankees s*ck anyway (just because the scoreboard put up the score of the Yankee game and that they were losing). I think some people are a bit too obsessed with the Yanks.

If people want to buy the shirts then go ahead and do it. If they really want to chant that then go ahead....I'm not going to stop anyone but I'm certainly not going to participate until we win it all.

God bless you, BSG...

Such a stupid chant, until the Sox win the WS, the Yankee fans will always have something to hold over out heads. It's futile and moronic for us to try and swap insults with us, as they're leading us in WS titles, by at least 20. By creating chants and insults, it makes us look like a bunch of uninformed fratboys that just come to the games to be heard, there's nothing substantial by starting an anti-Yankee chant...they've beat our team since 1918, we need to deal with it and move on, nothing we say can beat their ammo.

In other words, stop acting like a foolish child and cheer on your team, instead of trying to slight the other team...the results just might work in our favor.

BSG, TLB, I couldnt have said it better myself, and uh, the proof is my post before yours.

I have a question for the guys who like to pound a few beers and scream shit at the MFY, whether theyre there or not-

If Bob Dole held a press conference after he lost to Clinton (by a landslide), walked to the podium, looked right into the cameras and started to yell "Clinton Sucks! CLinton Sucks!" youd think he was a jackass, right (political affiliation notwithstanding)? You might be shaking your head no, but you would, cos he would be.

Now picture Dole at a Red Cross fundraiser with his wife Elizabeth. He gets up to speak. He has important things to tell these people, a need to raise money. He opens his mouth-

"Clinton Sucks! Clinton Sucks!"

Pretty stupid, right?

What's even more stupid?
Your analogy.

People: OBVIOUSLY, the statement "Yankees Suck" is literally inaccurate.

What it means is something like:

"We know you've won all those titles, but you bought them or stole them, and most of your star players and team officials and fans have been assh*oles, and we're never going to respect you - because although our team has lost so famously, the Red Sox most decidedly do NOT suck, because their path has been authentic"

It's really an existential mantra.

Were you guys croquet fans before you became baseball fans?
You think it's honorable to publicly respect our arch rival?
You think baseball fans should be polite gentleman and ladies?
I wonder if the Royal Rooters would have agreed with you...
There's a long, noble tradition of gamesmanship in the stands.
But I guess there's also a tradition of poopers like you trying to spoil the fun.

The Yankees bought or stole their titles? Just take a good guess at who is second in payroll and who has been close to the Yankees with spending? The Boston Red Sox. What about the people who didn't buy their titles: Marlins, Angels, etc? Money gives you a chance to get any player you want but it guarantees absolutely nothing. I hate using the money excuse in regards to the Yanks because the Sox are never too far behind them. If I'm going to be a hypocrite and say I hate the Yanks because of the money they spend then I might as well hate the team I root for now.


The Red Sox have as many a$$*ole fans as the Yankees do and as teams of all sports.

I hate the Yankees because I'm a Sox fan, but the fact is that they have gotten the job done so many times. The fact is that the Sox are in second and the Yanks are in first year after year and I'm here waiting for that to change.

If you want to chant then go ahead and do so, no one needs the permission of others to do something. I still see it as idiotic and embarrassing but again thats just me. So lets agree to disagree.

The Sox are ALWAYS behind them.
Always FAR behind them.
Sure, the Sox spend the second most.
But it's a difference of 60-70 million.
It doesn't guarantee 100% success.
But like political lobbyist $$$, it guarantees access.

The Yankees have had the most assh*les in the history of sports.
We've had a handful, not many.

No one needs permission to chant, correct.
It's a age-old tradition.

What's so noble about finding more tasteless ways to 'stick it' to Yankee fans? Where's the 'gamesmanship' in something so insipid as 'Yankees Suck?'

Fine, you keep carrying on the tradition of the jealous Sox fan that, instead of backing their team in a positive manner and cheering them on, you work harder at slighting the rivals fans. Keep acting like you're so jaded after all these losses and pretend like this is the best way to deal with it.

Sorry if I'd like to be above these childish fratboy-like antics and focus more on supporting my team. Keep pretending like it's your obligation to carry on the holy duty that is chanting something so creative like "Yankees Suck" when you're at a Sox game. You act like we're the minority, because your shouts are louder than ours, but I'd be willing to bet that the majority of Red Sox fans would say that people that think like you and spread this chant ruin the fun for the rest of us.

Keep falling into line with the typical image that the media and other fans have made the Red Sox fan out to be; a boorish blowhard that's so bitter, angry, and jaded over the years that all they have to cling to is some moronic chant that makes little to no sense. You know, cause what good is a stereotype if no one fits into it, right?

Label me 'elitist' if that behooves you and makes you feel better about how you want to conduct yourself as a fan. I follow baseball and the Red Sox for my love of the game and the team, not for the hate of the Yankees.

That being said, if the Red Sox win it all this year, I wont be averse to chanting "2000" when the Yankees are in town.

4th Base, giv me a break, these are silly arguments youre throwing out because a) they have no bearing on what youre saying, and B) cos they have no bearing on what I'm saying.

You say you understand that the Yankees DONT suck, but youre saying it because the Yankees are @ssholes. Give me 15 Yankees @ssolhes, Ill give you 20 Red Sox ones. You think the MFY have had many more? Absurd. What, by the way, constitutes @sshole? Beating the shit out of your team, year in and year out?

No, I dont want anyone to be a choirboy in the stands, and I honestly couldnt care less if you chant that garbage. Im just telling YOU how stupid it sounds. VERY. You say my analogy is stupid- tell me why. What about it doesnt apply? Anytime the consistent loser turns to taunting the team that always bests them- thats pathetic . I'd be embarassed to say it.

I dont think honor in "respecting" your rival has anything to do it. You say there are only two ways to have it- sit on your hands or yell like a jackass. I root against the Yankees hard, but I dont invite embarassment. YOu dont need my permission to chant anything, nor did I suggest it- you should just know how dumb it looks to us and everyone else. Its not some "wonderful tradition" or whatever. I dont CARE if the RR did it. If THEY did it, post 1918, then they were stupid too!

Also, abuot the payroll thing- claiming were not as abad as them because we spend 60 mil less- talk about making my eyes roll- every team in baseball sees two teams- Boston and New york- as the payroll giants. No one would deny that NYY have more spending power-- but, as BSG demonstrated, in terms of improving ones chance to win, that 60 mill doesnt do you muh more good. THats why were still so evenly matched.

SO enjoy looking like a jackass. You might think it makes me a quiet nerd, but it just makes me intelligent enough not to want to invite embarassment. Which, when you do that, youre doing. Honestly.

It behooves me.

You're not "bitter, angry, or jaded"?

It makes sense if you hate the Yankees.
It makes sense if you're spiteful of their dominance.
It makes sense if all your life you've heard Yankees fans say ad nauseum: "the Red Sox suck"

I follow baseball for the love of the game and the Sox, too...
AND for the love of hating the Yankees.





You guys are definitely SoSHers!
NOT Royal Rooters!

Seriously, if you have a problem with "Yankees Suck"...FINE.
Be "embarrassed" by it, "above" it...
Just don't piss on chanting in general.
Not everyone prides themself on being a quiet, 100% rational fan.

Q: Were you equally offended by "Ste-roids" at Canseco? "Dar-ryl" at Darryl?

Speaking of...

Darryl Strawberry
Jason Giambi
Steve Howe
Joe DiMaggio
Reggie Jackson
Jeff Nelson
Karim Garcia
George Steinbrenner
Billy Martin
David Wells
Paul O'Neill
Wade Boggs
Roger Clemens
(that'll cancel two off your list)
Lou Piniella
Mike Mussina
Thurman Munson
Graig Nettles

Let's see that twenty...
(Mind you, sheer quantity doesn't account for the quality of their assh*leness. Many of the above were/are some of the biggest assh*oles in professional sports)

I certainly never suggested "chanting" in general is something I'm "above." I felt like it was understood we were talking about "Yankees Suck." I guess not. So all this makes me a SoSHer? Why is that? Whats so bad about that? Not sure I understand that insult, but Im not sure I give a crap. So moving on...

How were: Darryl Strawberry, Joe DiMaggio, Jason Giambi, Lou Piniella, Paul O'Neill, Mike Mussina, Thurman Munson "assholes"? WHats the criteria? You dont like em? You think they "suck?" This, again, is an example of the childishness I'm talking about. To label someone like Joe DiMaggio or Paul O'Neill an asshole is just so juvenile. OK, so that group of guys are assholes. So heres some Red Sock "assholes," then:

Carl Everett
Ted Williams
Tris Speaker
Roger Clemens
Jose Canseco
Wade Boggs
Carl Yastrzemski
Oogie Urbina
Mike Lansing
Rey Sanchez
Chris Stynes
Jim Rice
Izzy Alcantara
Joe Kerrigan
Bret Saberhagen
Rolando Arrojo
Dante Bichette
Jeremy Giambi
Pedro Martinez
Manny Ramirez
Carlton Fisk
Shea Hillenbrand
Jose Offerman
Derek Lowe
Byung Hyun Kim

There, theres about 25- using your criteria, of course. I dont actually think all these players are assholes, I just got a kick out of piling on the names using your criteria, which seemed to be "they did something I didn't like in their career." Dave Winfield hit a bird with a throw once, why isnt HE an asshole? I could have kept going too with my list, BTW. Anyway, regardless-- making this list- it just struck me how remarkably moronic it is that you think there are "more assholes on the Yankees than the Red Sox." That is Titanically stupid. Just remarkable. Why? Based on what? I only came back from that statement by you with a claim i could name you just as many Sox "assholes" was because there is no way the MFY could have more of em. You realize how dumb that sounds, right? That the MFY have had more assholes in their history than we have? And that that in and of itself makes them deserving of a chant at a baseball game? Well shit, youre a very MORALISTIC chanter. I gotta applaud that, 4th base, at the end of the day. Thats real noble. Yea, you know, this is such a stupid thing to be arguing over, seeing how wrong you are. So stupid.

Anyway, continue to label us "elitist" and "snobby" and "tight lipped-" I'm just not into the frat boy act, personally, and I was sort of voicing that feeling. You keep putting assumptions on the table about those of us disagreeing with you, and theyre simply not true. Just because we don't like to chant stupid, asinine things that make us look braindead and embarassing doesnt mean we DONT LIKE to chant. I prefer "Lets go Red Sox" or "Here we go Red Sox" or "Pe-dro"...oh well, you get the idea.

If you want to invite bemused snickers from MFY Nation by yelling things like "Yankees Suck!" at Tigers games (or even MFY/ Sox games for that matter) youre more than welcome to, and again, of course, none of us is meaning to stop you. Just know that most people think you sound like brainless frat boy jackasses.

PS- as per your question- was I offended at the "Ste-roids," et al chants? No. Did I shout em? No. I like baseball. The rest of that shit is background to me, but feel free to enjoy it. Oh but wait! Does that make me a "SoSHer"? (god forbid)





Clearly!

(you realize thats BAD, right?)

Im sorry to double post, but if there was a reason to discount this guy...I mean, look at this. Who can look at this rationally and actually be on board with it? Is it the dumbest thing ever said on this board? Its close, right?

FRIENDLY REMINDER #1: The thread is about what we think about Yankee fans.

FRIENDLY REMINDER #2: We all like each other here.

FRIENDLY REMINDER #3: We all have opinions. I see merits in parts of both of your arguments, but all of neither.

FRIENDLY REMINDER #4: Please can the pissing match and add to the thread. Next crazy post in here not on-topic gets squashed by the mighty fist of ... well ... me.

-MALC

not to get into a pissle debate but I lost respect for Joe D when my co-worker told me a story about a show he did in Florida. Joe had in his contract that the only way he would make an appearence at this charity event was if they announced him as "Joe DiMaggio: the greatest living player"

Im sorry but thats a title other people give to you, not one you put on yourself.

Darryl Strawberry was an asshole because of the drunken coked up prostitution stuff... and its fun to say Daaaaaaarryl....

Lou Pinella is an asshole but thats what makes him a great manager.

Giambi was just a hypocrite, Mussina i like, O'Neill I wouldn't say is an asshole, but damn I'd like to slap him silly (Paul O'Neill never struck out in his whole career you know, it was always the umps fault)

But yah, the Sox have had more then their share of their asses too, im not debating that. I don't even know why i contributed to this thread.

Oh yeah, why is Bret Saberhagen an asshole?

I don't like getting bleach tossed on me, and neither did that reporter...

as for the ass thing- youre probably right (or half right) on a lot of those MFY points- the Joe D thing always stuck in my craw for one reason- Willie Mays. Besides being arrogant, it was wrong! But hes a guy, hes human, it doesnt make him an asshole. Paul Oneill is a good guy who got emotional during games. Big whoop, Trot Nixon slept with my mother. Pedrojunkie though, I couldnt agree more- its just not worth the ink, so Im totally backing off it.

Anyway, to further the topic in some way and resist this post being deleted...

Ive noticed recently (I live in NYC) that NO ONE gives me crap about Sox paraphernalia- if anything, I get words of encouragement. Worth noting. The Manhattan MFY fan is, surprisingly, comparatively tamer. My dad and I were talking today, and we agreed that youd get a faceful at least once with a MFY jersey on during a tour of the Olde Towne. Just worth mentioning. I think popular perception of the Sox is turning from us being a bunch of whiney ironic screamers
to being intelligent, baseball loving folk. were becoming the lovable group. maybe not to everyone- but generally, i feel like the perception has us being more endearing. Thoughts?

There's a lot to be said for good gamesmanship (creativity, sportsmanship, etc.), and not a lot to be said for stupid chants. 'Yankees Suck' is a stupid chant. It's no less stupid than '1918'. It's completely irrelevant to anything; all it is is a blunt instrument of blind stupidity. It's as if your opponent has gotten you good, and all you have for a lame comeback is 'Yankees Suck'. I'm sure one can easily imagine this scenario, red-faced, veins bulging and all.

To argue that because cheering for a team is irrational, therefore rationality no longer applies to any action done for the purpose of cheering for that team is asinine. "Why did you beat the crap out of that guy?" "He was a Yankee fan." "WHAT?!" "Hey, are you criticizing me too? Because if you are, I'm going to beat you up too. It's my right to be a jackass when cheering for teams."

Chanting 'Yankees Suck' at non-Yankees related events is much like chanting 'Yankees Suck' while driving, or while walking down the street. Except in the former case, the chanter feels as if he's been empowered when the 'people' join him. Just like that idiot jackass that really tries to start 'The Wave'.

There's a lot to be learned from Szasz.

I think you guys are taking this chanting business a little too serious.

IT IS A GAME. It is supposed to be fun. When I am at a game will I chant "Yankees Suck"? Hell yes. Is it because they do suck? Obvioulsy not - everyone is aware of their 26-0 WS title run they have gone on compared to us....No, it is because they are the MFYs - the enemy. I LOVE the Sox, but I HATE the MFYs. Rooting against the enemy is fun! Being at a game is supposed to be fun. I don't get all the people who claim to be "embarrassed" by the chant ... MFY fans are not embarrassed to chant "boston sucks" or "1918" or "asshole" [when Pedro pitches] because it is FUN. I have good friends who are MFY fans, and you can actually carry on a baseball conversation with them, and they wont tell you Jeter is the greatest SS of all time .... BUT they still own Boston Sucks shirts, and 1918 paraphanalia .... they will still taunt Manny and Pedro and Nomar, even though they can admit that those players are better than anyone on their team [well before the AROD fiasco]

Point is, it is a game, the chanting is just to have fun, 'razzing' the other team if you will ...everyone know that the Yankees do not suck, literally. But yet they most definately do.

Fun for me is not having that stereotypical Sox fan reputation that we see on ESPN and even SNL. There are plenty of "fun" things to chant that wont make you sound like a complete moron. When I went on my baseball road trip a couple summers ago, you wouldn't believe how many people at these ballparks would ask me what the point of this "Yankees Suck" stuff. Every person that asked said that it makes us look stupid and they had problems sitting next to us, initially, because we have a bad reputation due to that chant.

The token of logic that "Well, Yankee fans say that we suck, so we should say that they suck." is stupid, at best.



Nope.

Getting on the opposing players, I'm all for it...'Daaarrrryyylll' was simple, but creative enough to be immortalized in an episode of the Simpsons. "Nomar's Better" when Jeter's up, funny because it's true and that was a classic debate for a few years. Remember 'Manny's Hitless?' Hilarious. I've spent entire games getting on one player (most notably Raul Mondesi, because he deserved it), I think that's where you can get really creative without having to be vulgar or sound stupid.

So, what players have you all rode for an entire game? What'd you say to them?

BAL-CO for Giambi and TU-MOR for Sheffield/Brown.

Would those be OK?