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Caspir


Height- 6'4
Weight- 202
Position- RHP
T/B- R/R

2006 Accolades
ACC Pitcher of the Week (March 6)
ACC Pitcher of the Week (April 24)

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YEAR    W-L    ERA    G-GS    CG    Sv    Sh    IP    H    R    ER    BB    SO    WP
2004    8-4    3.88    16-15    1    0    1    95.0    94    49    41    31    68    5
2005    7-5    4.22    16-16    1    0    1    89.2    73    53    42    43    77    6
2006    8-3    3.47    15-14    2    0    1    85.2    71    42    33    33    90    8
Total    23-12    3.86    47-45    4    0    3    270.1    238    144    116    197    235    19


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As emotion flowed out of his body, confidence flowed back in. Bard struck out eight batters, allowed four hits and did not issue a walk against an NC State team that entered the weekend series leading the Atlantic Coast Conference in batting average, runs, on-base and slugging percentage. North Carolina coach Mike Fox called it the best-pitched game of Bard's career, and it couldn't have come at a better time for his team--which pulled into sole possession of first place in the conference--or Bard's draft stock.

"I've never seen Bard pitch like that before," NC State hitting coach Jeff Waggoner said. "Bard really showed a lot more than he did last year, that's for sure."

Bard opened the season on the Royals' short list to become the first pick overall. His effortless delivery and mid-90s fastball had helped him strikeout 82 batters in 65 Cape Cod League innings, but the knock against the 6-foot-4 righthander was that he had never found enough consistency with his secondary pitches to average more than a strikeout per inning during the college season.


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CHAPEL HILL -- The major-league scouts were arrayed like a phalanx of state troopers at Boshamer Stadium during the weekend, radar guns aimed not at speedy drivers but at the prized pitching arms of North Carolina juniors Andrew Miller and Daniel Bard.

...

Inconsistency has been the scouts' main hangup with Bard, but he turned in a more impressive final predraft outing than Miller, beating Winthrop 14-2 to send the Heels to a Super Regional this weekend at Alabama.

The draft has been at least a slight distraction from UNC's College World Series pursuit.

"It's pretty tough," Bard said. "That's your future. There's a lot of money involved. My main goal is to make the big leagues, and I don't care where I get drafted."

...

Bard hadn't pitched for two weeks, but Sunday had excellent command of his fastball, which touches 97 on those radar guns, and slider. The 6-4 Charlotte Christian graduate is 8-3 with a 3.47 ERA this season, but has stumped scouts with his inability to put it all together. His future might be as a closer.


Bard was on the Royals short list to be the number one pick, and has been mentioned as a possible pick at number 5 with Seattle, and number 10 to San Francisco, so this is a steal. As a junior he had a cereer low ERA (3.47), career high in strikeouts (90 in 85.2 IP to go with just 33 BB), and held opponents to a .225 BA. Over his last seven appearances he was 5-1 with a 1.56 ERA, and picked up a post season win against Winthrop with an 8K performance in the regional title game June 4. His 23 wins rank 7th all time at UNC.
Harry Bobbin Manass
From The Baseball Analysts:

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There seem to be two camps regarding Daniel Bard entering the draft: the apologists and the critics. Both sides have valiant arguments, and at times this season, I have audibly been on either side.

From a statistical standpoint, it is easy to be critical of Bard. Mixed in with great performances as a freshman and in his 2005 summer are disappointing sophomore and junior caimpaigns. Bard became the poster boy of inconsistency this season, and was not able to turn around his aptitude for the big inning. His context was a wash; his AdjDERA equivalent to his season ERA. Bard has a good arm and offers a lot of upside, but he doesn't profile as a top 15 pick.

That's one side. The other is far more focused on his freshman year, and really points to last year's Cape: 82 strikeouts in 65 innings. Scouts often stand on this side, enamored with the ease of Bard's delivery. In his regional start, Bard sat at 93-96 mph, and seemingly recorded a ground ball out at will. His slider comes in at the low 80s, and is a pretty devastating second pitch. He uses a third pitch, a mid 80s change, more than most of these high level players use their "third pitch."

John Manuel of Baseball America recently compared Bard's season to that of Justin Verlander as a college junior; an inconsistent spring unable to meet summer's expectations. But scouts across the nation know that Bard, the type that looks like a future workhorse, has the stuff to belong in the top 10. I agree.
Kid T
Keith Law of Scouts Inc. from ESPN.com (sub. req'd)

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Best picks

Daniel Bard, No. 28, to the Boston Red Sox: I had the North Carolina right-hander at the top of my list from the Cape Cod League last summer. He featured two plus pitches, held his velocity and threw strikes. Bard's command came and went this spring, but it was due to his struggles to maintain his arm angle rather than something more concerning like a medical issue.
Caspir
Sox Kicking Up Their Heels Over UNC's Bard

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NEW YORK -- Red Sox scout Jeff Zona, whose coverage area includes North Carolina, assumed he was just going through the motions when he set up a meeting before the start of the college baseball season with Andrew Miller and Daniel Bard, star pitchers for the University of North Carolina. Both Miller, a 6-foot-7-inch lefthander considered a potential No. 1 pick, and Bard, a 6-4 right hander who last summer was the best pitcher in the Cape Cod League, figured to be long gone by the time the Sox drafted.

"We were all kind of laughing while they were filling out forms for me," Zona said after the Sox had taken Bard with the 28th pick of yesterday's amateur draft, one pick after they'd chosen high school outfielder Jason Place. "I told `em, `Maybe we'll get you in a trade someday." They all laughed.


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As predicted, Miller went early, Detroit grabbing him with the sixth overall pick. Meanwhile, Bard was at a Chapel Hill restaurant with his parents, following the first round on a computer. "I was on the phone with the Cardinals," he said, "and all of a sudden the guy says, `Congratulations,' and gets off the phone.

"I guess the computer was a little bit behind on the draft, because we were only up to the 20th pick. Every pick after that, I was watching it, thinking it would be me. As I was slipping, I was hoping it would be to the Red Sox."




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It so happens that Bard's father, Paul, is from Worcester, and his mother, Kathy, is from Reading. Paul was a catcher at Tufts and was drafted in the sixth round in 1980 by the Dodgers. One scout who helped in drafting Paul Bard was Buzz Bowers, who as a semi-retired scouting consultant for the Sox watched Daniel Bard pitch last summer for the Wareham Gatemen in the Cape League, which he led in strikeouts -82 in 65 IP-.
Caspir
Bard Roughed Up

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Meanwhile, the team's other first-round pick, at No. 28, right-handed pitcher Daniel Bard of the University of North Carolina, had the shortest outing of his college career Saturday, lasting just 2 2/3 innings in a super-regional contest in the NCAA tournament. Of the first five batters he faced, Bard hit three and walked one. But a two-run home run in the bottom of the ninth helped UNC beat Alabama, 8-7, for its first trip to the College World Series since 1989.
Caspir
No Inspiration From Bard? Heels Shuffle Rotation

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UNC has opted to go with junior right-hander Robert Woodard (6-1, 3.48), a 46th-round draft pick, instead of the highly touted Daniel Bard (8-3, 3.59), a 6-foot-4 junior flame-throwing righty who was taken in the first round by Boston with the No. 28 overall pick.

Coach Mike Fox said Woodard deserves to start because he did not get an opportunity in last weekend’s super regional, but there is clearly more to the decision than that.

“He’ll go out and he won’t walk people,” Fox said. “So he’ll give us a chance in that regard, and that’s always a good start for us.”

Bard is 0-3 with a 7.16 earned run average in four appearances against Clemson. His fastball has been clocked at 97 mph, but he has issued 35 walks in 87š innings.


The Ten Best Prospects At The College World Series

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3. Daniel Bard, RHP, Boston Red Sox, North Carolina, 28th overall:

Bard was somewhat overshadowed by his more talented and sought after teammate, Andrew Miller, but he is a fine pitcher in his own right as well. Bard finished his junior season with a record of 8-3 with a 3.59 ERA, which was one of the key components in North Carolina’s 50-13 record this season. Bard made numerous preseason All-American teams, but failed to make a final All-American team after a somewhat disappointing season. Still, most people in baseball believe Bard will turn out to be one of the steals of this draft.
buffs4444
North Carolina --------------------------------------------------Daniel Bard.........
IP H R ER BB SO AB BF NP
6.0 12 5 5 1 2 26 31 103


Not the best line in the world, but he pitched UNC into the CWS against one of the best college programs in the country (CSF).
jsinger121
QUOTE(buffs4444 @ Jun 21 2006, 11:01 PM) [snapback]540176[/snapback]

North Carolina --------------------------------------------------Daniel Bard.........
IP H R ER BB SO AB BF NP
6.0 12 5 5 1 2 26 31 103
Not the best line in the world, but he pitched UNC into the CWS against one of the best college programs in the country (CSF).


2K's for someone that throws that hard is depressing but I have confidence the sox can help him fix that.
Caspir
For those who want a glimpse, Bard is about to take the hill in the deciding game of the College World Series on ESPN.
MDKing
So far Bard has been consistently 97-98. His slider hasn't been working though. Does anyone know if he throws any other pitches?
Harry Bobbin Manass
QUOTE(MDKing @ Jun 26 2006, 07:44 PM) [snapback]542491[/snapback]

So far Bard has been consistently 97-98. His slider hasn't been working though. Does anyone know if he throws any other pitches?

He has a change-up but it's nothing special at this point. Very few pitchers at his stage of development throw three consistent pitches.
MDKing
This guy could be a beast if he develops well in the system. Right now his only plus pitch is his fastball; that's basically all he's using right now.
Caspir
His slider is unhittable when it's on, but it isn't developed enough yet to be considered a legitimate pitch. But he is very impressive to say the least. Once he learns how to pitch he could b a star.
buffs4444
Dominating stuff, I was shocked when the ESPN guys noted he hadn't thrown anything but fastballs since the 4th inning (he pitched into the 8th). Dominant heater, easy motion, so if he can tweak his breaking pitch, fine tune his command and develop his change in the minors, he can be a star.

He throws a very easy 96-98mph though. His last few pitches in the 8th he was still hitting 98. What a nice pick......let's get the last two CWS guys (Bard and Cox) signed quickly.
kylexray
QUOTE(buffs4444 @ Jun 26 2006, 09:45 PM) [snapback]542564[/snapback]

Dominating stuff, I was shocked when the ESPN guys noted he hadn't thrown anything but fastballs since the 4th inning (he pitched into the 8th). Dominant heater, easy motion, so if he can tweak his breaking pitch, fine tune his command and develop his change in the minors, he can be a star.

He throws a very easy 96-98mph though. His last few pitches in the 8th he was still hitting 98. What a nice pick......let's get the last two CWS guys (Bard and Cox) signed quickly.


I would love see him develop a change-up. With that smooth motion and keeping the same release point, it would be devastating.
Harry Bobbin Manass
For a first-round pick, I see Bard as a pretty big project.

I certainly see what they liked in him: A good fastball (probably closer to 93-96 than the 98-99 on the juiced up ESPN gun) with a very fluid delivery that looks free and mechanically sound.

A couple of "howevers": He seems to get shockingly few swings and misses for a guy who throws that hard. Some of that surely has to do with college players being able to swing those super-light aluminum bats, but it also suggests his fastball is fairly straight.

His slider is also pretty inconsistent. He seems to have no command of it, and for a guy who throws his fastball in the mid-90s, the slider is not as hard as I'd expect. I don't know how easy it is to improve either of those things.

The overall inconsistency in his results -- he really hasn't been that great the last two seasons, and don't forget he lost his Saturday slot in the UNC rotation during the super-regionals -- also makes me wonder exactly what's going on with him.

And lastly, developing a change-up will not be just a nice luxury -- it's an absolute necessity. His two best pitches are both hard, so he must have some kind of off-speed pitch to succeed as a starter. A good slider is not an off-speed pitch; it's a cut fastball.

So I see a lot of talent and a lot of work to be done. I don't expect him to shoot through the system like you might with some other first-round college pitchers. He may be able to dominate the lower levels of the minors just with his fastball, but he's going to need a lot more than what I've seen as he moves up the ladder.


As far as him signing quickly, I suspect they don't want him throwing much more this year, so I don't think it's a major issue. Obviously, the sooner they can start working with him the better, but I'm guessing the negotiations will drag on a little bit.
Harry Bobbin Manass
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Negotiations are expected to heat up this week between the Sox and second first-round draft choice Daniel Bard. The right-hander, who was the 28th overall selection out of the University of North Carolina, asked for some cool-down time after the Heels fell to Oregon State in the College World Series last week.

Boston Herald
Caspir
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Negotiations with Boston's other first-round pick, North Carolina righthander Daniel Bard, were ongoing. The plan is for Bard to report to short-season Lowell if he signs by early August
Caspir
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So perhaps that's one reason the Sox' fandom has not gotten stirred up about Daniel Bard, the University of North Carolina righthander who was taken with the 28th pick overall but has yet to come to terms on his first professional contract.

A resolution is looming: Classes at UNC begin Aug. 23, and the Sox lose their rights to Bard if he steps into a classroom that day.

``Unfortunately, nothing new to report," Sox scouting director Jason MacLeod wrote in an e-mail yesterday. ``The negotiations are still ongoing. I hope now that his teammate has signed, it will give him the extra push to get something done."

That teammate is Andrew Miller, the 6-foot-6-inch lefthander who came to terms last week with the Detroit Tigers on a four-year deal that included a $3.55 million signing bonus and a guaranteed total value of $5.45 million. Miller, who won the Roger Clemens Award as college baseball's best pitcher, also was guaranteed a September call-up, and if he pitches in the bigs all four years of the deal, the package could be worth more than $7 million. Miller's deal reportedly is more than that received by the No. 1 player in the draft, Luke Hochevar, whose signing bonus was $3.5 million.

Bard is one of three unsigned first-rounders, and all three are college pitchers: Max Scherzer of the University of Arizona, taken by the Diamondbacks, and Ian Kennedy of Southern Cal, drafted by the Yankees. A call to Bard's home went unanswered last night, but at this stage, if he signs, which is still the most likely outcome, he'll begin in the instructional league in the fall.


The rumor is that Bard is holding out for a major league deal. If that's the case, tell him to have a nice time in college, take the compensation pick, and give his money to Belt, Anderson, and Laporta, then throw the cash we would've used to sign one of those guys at Giardina and call it a day. I'd rather do that then waste bucks on a big league contract for a kid with one plus pitch, one so so pitch, and nothing else. Watching him eat a spot on the 40 man while trying to learn how to pitch in A ball would be a huge waste of money. At this point I wouldn't even be mad if the Sox decided to pass on him, so long as all of those above guys are signed in his place.
SuperManny
It would be pretty ugly if the Sox don't sign Bard. I have a feeling that they get it done but if they don't then they better sign those guys you mention or else its a disaster not signing him.
jsinger121
Bard will eventually cave because he has stated to coaches that he would not be returning to UNC. He will likely sign a 2007 contract but not a ML one.
garedsox
"The drop-dead date on signing righthanded pitcher Daniel Bard, one of two Red Sox first-round draft picks (No. 28 overall), is fast approaching. School starts at North Carolina tomorrow, and if he attends classes on that day, the Red Sox lose their rights to him." From the Globe.

Get to work Theo. Theo not signing him today will make our draft week. How many people do thye MFY's draft and not sign.
Caspir
It doesn't matter that he registered for classes. Until he steps into the class, he can sign. Many top picks have registered for classes only to sit out for a week while they finalize a deal. It's a negotiating tactic, nothing more.
Harry Bobbin Manass
Done deal.

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The Red Sox today announced the signing of their first pick in the 2006 draft (28th overall), North Carolina righthander Daniel Bard. The terms of the signing were not disclosed.

Bard will report to Fort Myers on September 18 for the team's Florida Instructional League program. The 21-year-old pitcher was ranked the No. 15 overall prospect and the No. 13 pitching prospect in the draft by Baseball America.

Boston Globe
terpsnsox
QUOTE(Harry Bobbin Manass @ Sep 4 2006, 03:28 PM) [snapback]583658[/snapback]

Done deal.
Boston Globe


Finally some good news.
Bosredsox5
Dan Bard seems really, really raw... I thought the whole point of drafting college kids was to get someone polished?

He's a 6-4 200 pound kid, so he's got a major league body, and he can throw 100 when needed... but he doesn't get people to swing and miss, and his secondary pitches need a lot of work.

I mean, he sounds like he has a high ceiling, but even Soxprospects, which is notoriously optimistic says his control needs work, his secondary pitches need a lot of help (he only throws hard pitches, sinker, slider and heat so it would stand to reason he would need to learn a hook or a change) and that his fastball doesn't move.

How do you just teach him how to pitch from square one?

Then again, this may not be as rare as I think it is.
SoxFan24
QUOTE(Bosredsox5 @ Sep 5 2006, 01:10 AM) [snapback]583949[/snapback]

Dan Bard seems really, really raw... I thought the whole point of drafting college kids was to get someone polished?

He's a 6-4 200 pound kid, so he's got a major league body, and he can throw 100 when needed... but he doesn't get people to swing and miss, and his secondary pitches need a lot of work.

I mean, he sounds like he has a high ceiling, but even Soxprospects, which is notoriously optimistic says his control needs work, his secondary pitches need a lot of help (he only throws hard pitches, sinker, slider and heat so it would stand to reason he would need to learn a hook or a change) and that his fastball doesn't move.

How do you just teach him how to pitch from square one?

Then again, this may not be as rare as I think it is.


They'll probably treat him like a high school pitcher, most likely starting him in Greenville, unless he gets a ML deal. He has shown flashes a good slider, but apparently he just needs to find his arm angle. Also, just from watching his video, he looks like he has a very good arm angle to learn a splitter. He's a work in progress, but he has the upside.
virginia7dave
SOXprospects.com speculates that Bard will start 07 in Greenville along with Masterson and Kris Johnson.

With Egan, mike jones and jason place in the lineup I have to figure this team has an excellent chance for playoffs, even though all of those guys may not be on the team at the end kind of like Bowden and Buckholz this year.

Looking at 2007 projected rosters and it looks like we are getting a lot more competitive at least below pawtucket.
Harry Bobbin Manass
Looks like it was not a Major League contract for Bard, which is excellent news. The initial speculation on his bonus was $1.5 million, which is slightly over slot.

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The Sox made the signing of first-round draft choice Daniel Bard official. No terms were announced, but Bard, who appeared on a conference call with Sox scouting director Jason McLeod, confirmed that there were no major league provisions to his deal, unlike the contract given No. 1 pick Craig Hansen last season. He did, however, imply that the Sox gave him a bigger signing bonus than the $1 million or so his No. 28 spot had been slotted for. Bard will report to the Florida Instructional League in Fort Myers Sept. 18 .

Boston Globe
Harry Bobbin Manass
QUOTE(virginia7dave @ Sep 5 2006, 09:55 AM) [snapback]583991[/snapback]

Looking at 2007 projected rosters and it looks like we are getting a lot more competitive at least below pawtucket.

The pitching staffs, especially the starting rotations, at Wilmington and Greenville look like they're going to be chock full of real prospects. Portland and Pawtucket? Not so much.
RedSoxAnni
From the Sept. 5 Worcester Telegram & Gazette:

Bill Ballou - Red Sox sign hurler Bard; Draft pick is son of ex-Hilltopper



BOSTON— The Red Sox’s latest draft signing, right-handed pitcher Daniel Bard, grew up in North Carolina but has the green of Fenway Park flowing through his veins.

Bard’s dad, Paul Bard, is a Worcester Academy graduate who played varsity baseball, football and hockey for the Hilltoppers before graduating with the class of 1976. He also played American Legion baseball for Vernon Hill.

Yesterday, the Red Sox announced that they have signed Bard, 21, to a pro contract. He will report to Fort Myers, Fla., to participate in the Instructional League on Sept. 18.


Terms of the deal were not announced. Bard was the 28th pick in the first round of June’s draft. Yesterday’s agreement means Boston has signed each of its first 13 picks in this season’s draft.

...


Paul Bard also lived in Newton and grew up as a huge Red Sox fan. He still follows Boston’s fortunes and has just acquired some extra incentive.

“The idea that Daniel might someday pitch in the majors for the Red Sox,” Bard said, “would be like a dream coming true.”

...


He thinks that going to college also helped his career.

“The biggest thing was experience,” Bard said, “maturing, living life out on your own for three years. Physically, I put on 15 to 20 pounds and added some velocity. I think I’m a lot more mature player, a lot more mature pitcher.”



Harry Bobbin Manass
Some info on Bard's repertoire, from the man himself.

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Bard joined the Instructional League program in Fort Myers on Sunday, having driven down over the weekend. Bard will remain there a month, hoping to work on honing his cut fastball and curve, which originated from a slurve. “I threw kind of a slurve most of my time in college, but I’ve been working on splitting that into two different breaking pitches,” Bard said. “[The two pitches are] a harder cut-fastball that I’m trying to throw in the 87-88 [mile per hour] range, as well as a curveball that would probably be in the high 70’s.”

He ranks these two pitches as being his third and fourth best pitches. He also throws a four-seam fastball that he usually throws to the left-side of the plate, but he also likes to go up in the strikezone with it because it’s a couple of miles per hour faster than the two-seamer, which hitters are prone to swinging at (ask Jason Varitek!).

He also utilizes a two-seam fastball that he throws to the right side of the plate because it moves more. The two-seam fastball has more action than the four-seam fastball (thrown in the high 90s) that will break away from a left-handed batter, causing them to hit the ball with the tip of the bat, while busting in on right-handed batters, jamming them.

That’s not the only pitch he throws, as his reportoire is at five pitches. He uses a circle-changeup, one that “has some downward movement when I’m throwing it well.”
Harry Bobbin Manass
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One of the shining lights in their [Red Sox] regular Instructional League has been first-round pick Daniel Bard, from North Carolina, who has regularly hit 99-100 mph in two outings.

Peter Gammons (Insider)
Cambridge
Bard in BA:

http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prosp...res/262624.html
rpry17a
He seems pretty chill. I didn't know he could hit 100. I thought he got to like 97-98. That's pretty cool.
Harry Bobbin Manass
Interesting interview as usual, Cambridge. I was a little surprised to hear that they've already discussed the possibility of converting him to a reliever. I'd think they'd exhaust his potential as a starter before they even considered that, but I suppose it can't hurt to at least discuss these things.

I'm curious as to what you meant when you wrote "an early arrival to a big league mound seems likely" and "it shouldn't be long before he calls Fenway Park home."

What kind of timeframe are you suggesting, and what is that based on?

Thanks.
Caspir
Rough start for Bard, who was assigned to Lancaster (pretty big hitter's park) to start the season.

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IP   ER  H  K  BB   ERA
2.2  4   6  1  1   13.50
Caspir
Another poor appearance by Bard, this time against the Phillies affiliate.

CODE
IP   H   ER   BB   K   ERA
1.2  2    3    6   1  16.20


Season To Date

CODE
IP   H    K  BB   ER   ERA
4.1  8    2   7   7    14.54


Opponents are currently hitting .381 off of him.
Caspir
CODE
IP   H    ER  BB   K   ERA
4    4    1   5    1   2.25


Mixed results for Bard this time out, in a road start. He walked five, and gave up four hits, but somehow only allowed one run against Visalia Oaks, the D'Backs affiliate.

Season Numbers

CODE
IP    H   ER   BB   K   ERA
8.1  12    8   12   3   8.64


His 2.96 WHIP is going to get him creamed, and with a K:BB ratio of 4:1, it's not wonder he's struggled thus far. He's also given up two home runs, both at home.
JohntheBaptist
It's really worth noting that Lancaster is the worst possible place to be starting your professional pitching career. It's a launching pad there.
Caspir
Yea, that's why I was sure to throw in the note that his home runs were both given up at home. The problem doesn't seem to be with the long ball, so much as it is his terrible control thus far. Maybe Lancaster has affected his pitch selection, or is causing him to try and nip the corners, but twelve walks in eight innings is a recipe for disaster in any ballpark. He needs to get his K numbers up, especially with his "power fastball" we heard so much about. Still early though, and he's still learning how to pitch rather than just throw heat.

Late Edit- Cleaned up one miserable excuse for a sentence.
buffs4444
QUOTE(JohntheBaptist @ Apr 18 2007, 05:14 PM) [snapback]667176[/snapback]
It's really worth noting that Lancaster is the worst possible place to be starting your professional pitching career. It's a launching pad there.


Exactly. Last time I checked most of the Lancaster team was hitting over .300. Granted it's early, but it's still an indication of the type of offense you're gonna get out of that league. Now, that's what makes Michael Bowden's success in that league so much more impressive, but that's a story for another thread.....

QUOTE(Caspir @ Apr 18 2007, 05:43 PM) [snapback]667183[/snapback]
He needs to get his K numbers up, especially with his "power fastball" we heard so much about. Still early though, and he's still learning how to pitch rather than just throw heat.


That's what I noticed when we saw him at the CWS last year. He got away with a power arm, but didn't really need to throw anything other than his 4-seam fastball in order to get outs. It's going to be interesting to watch Bard try to learn that, and a tough league to start that learning process. He's going to struggle, and hopefully the staff in Lancaster can keep him from just going back to the fastball all the time when he does struggle (a la Beckett). It's gonna take a while, but exciting to watch the kid start developing.....
Caspir
It seems redundant, but another poor outing for Bard.

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IP     H    ER   BB   K   ERA
2.1    5     4    4   2  15.43


2007

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IP     H    ER  BB   K   ERA
10.2   17   12  16   5   10.12
buffs4444
At what point does the FO consider moving him to Greenville?
Caspir
I think he should have been there from the beginning, despite being a college pitcher. They could have let him get his feet wet down there, with an eye towards Lancaster by June. As it stands now, he is just over matched in every aspect of the game. The K's aren't there, he's walking the ballpark, opponents are mashing off him. It's just ugly right now. Let's see how he looks in a month though. Maybe he's being told by the staff to lay off th fastballs, so that he has to develop his secondary stuff? I mean, something has to be going on.
Harry Bobbin Manass
BP's Kevin Goldstein (subscription) on Bard's start to his pro career:

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I'll take "Things That Aren't Going Well" for $1,000, Alex. Bard had as much pure arm strength as any college pitcher in last year's draft--including Tim Lincecum. However, his lack of a consistent second offering and inconsistency dropped him to the end of the first round. Bard signed too late to make his pro debut, and he began this season in the California League, where he's been nothing short of awful. While the team is forcing him to work on his slider and changeup during each start, that doesn't take away from the fact that after not getting out of the third on Sunday, he has a 10.13 ERA in four starts, giving up 17 hits and an even more troubling 16 walks in just 10.2 innings. There's real reason to be concerned here, no matter what you think of the sample size.
buffs4444
QUOTE(Harry Bobbin Manass @ Apr 25 2007, 04:18 PM) [snapback]670242[/snapback]
BP's Kevin Goldstein (subscription) on Bard's start to his pro career:
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I'll take "Things That Aren't Going Well" for $1,000, Alex. Bard had as much pure arm strength as any college pitcher in last year's draft--including Tim Lincecum. However, his lack of a consistent second offering and inconsistency dropped him to the end of the first round. Bard signed too late to make his pro debut, and he began this season in the California League, where he's been nothing short of awful. While the team is forcing him to work on his slider and changeup during each start, that doesn't take away from the fact that after not getting out of the third on Sunday, he has a 10.13 ERA in four starts, giving up 17 hits and an even more troubling 16 walks in just 10.2 innings. There's real reason to be concerned here, no matter what you think of the sample size.



I'm not sure that I agree with the bolded statement from Goldstein. There's reason to believe he may be starting at a level too high for him, but I'd have to assume Goldstein misspoke by saying there was any reason for concern. He needs to be in Greenville, that's all.
Harry Bobbin Manass
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I'm not sure that I agree with the bolded statement from Goldstein. There's reason to believe he may be starting at a level too high for him, but I'd have to assume Goldstein misspoke by saying there was any reason for concern. He needs to be in Greenville, that's all.

I agree with you in disputing that there's "real reason to be concerned" at this point, but I disagree about his placement. There's really no reason that a soon-to-be 22-year-old 1st-round pick with major college experience should be in the Sally League. I think he probably faced roughly that level of competition in the ACC. If Bard started in Greenville and pitched well, it would be almost meaningless.

I haven't seen him pitch this year, but going by the boxscores and what's been written about him, it doesn't seem like he's simply overmatched by the California League hitters. When you have 16 walks in 10 innings, there's something going on there besides the level of competition. I think we all knew when Bard was drafted how much of a project he was, and I don't think much has changed.

There's always the confidence issue, and that's a legitimate concern, but I don't think it makes sense to put him somewhere that's not going to be a challenge.
Harry Bobbin Manass
Well, Bard was awful again last night. In addition to 6 BBs in 2.2 IP, he uncorked 3 wild pitches. So, yeah, they're going to have to do something with him fairly soon. I don't like the idea of having him in Greenville, but they can't keep sending out a pitcher that can't get anyone out.
MargoAdamsLoveChild
Shame on me for saying this, but can you say "Rick Ankiel"? Let's hope not.
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