Does anyone remember what the standings were on July 2, 2004?

(the day after the Jeter-hopping, Nomar-lacking extra inning game in the Bronx)

I don't, but maybe that can make me optimistic.

The sun comes up tomorrow and Schill takes the ball.......it'll be alright.

I agree with Kettleer here. Whining in the face of adversity is pretty weak. If you want to "give up" on the Sox, good riddance.

I was born into it, and can't stop now. Yeah tonight sucked rocks but it's been a lot worse than this.

Who the hell are you? Seriously? The king of all ####ing Red Sox fans?

Stfu already.

Again, I admire your optimism. I will keep the faith and watch this team until they are mathematically eliminated.

It just pisses me off when this team underperforms. Like when you have the bases loaded and GIDP. TWICE.

And when you have the lead in the ninth inning with the best closer in the lead. And the game gets tied.

And with the bases empty with 2 down, Papelbon gets rocked and loses the game.

And when all this happens, not against the Yankees, but the Kansas City Royals. And the Devil Rays.

That said, tomorrow is another day, and the Sox could potentially be 0.5 games out of the Wild Card after tomorrow. And don't forget, the Yankees were ahead of the Sox by 3.0 games for most of the season until the suckitude started. And look where they are now. Two can play that game. But first, they have to WIN.

OH HELLLLLLL NO.

My post doesn't get deleted without that horseshit getting deleted, too.

Bright spots: Beckett was pretty good. Only 3 bullpen guys were used tonight. that's about it, but it's at least something.

It's not okay to just win one out of three. It's certainly possible (likely, even) that the Sox will win the game tomorrow. But they needed to win tomorrow AND today.

And the bitching goes on.

Why are you still here? You hate this team now, and you hate what this team is going to be in 3 years. I honestly want to know why you're even bothering.

and yesterday and the day before yesterday.

Man, I'm with the guy taking the everclear if we get swept by the royals tomorrow.

What's the update on Mirabelli? Lopez can't be the every day catcher for any stretch of time.

He's still far and away the best closer in baseball right now so I wouldn't get bent out of shape about it. Like you said, even he is mortal. Hell, Mariano has had some rough stretches here and there as well and he's carved out a nice career.

For what it's worth I don't think Manny had a shot at throwing out that winning run.

Becket pitched well too tonight.

Though I don't know if Javy is your best bet to catch, I fear Huckabee a bit more to be honest.

If you guys didn't give up being down 3-0 in the ALCS a few years I hardly see a reason to get defeatest because your three games back in August. You have a good team but even good teams go into a slump, this is just one of those tough stretches. They'll work through it. Can't say I didn't enjoy the game tonight but I certainly am not counting the Sox out until they're mathematically eliminated and I doubt that happens any time in the next 6 weeks, if at all.

Cheers ~ Jamie

edit: somehow Beckett turned into Beckette in my post!

You know it's bad in here when I'm actually feeling reassured by a Yankee fan. Thanks, Jamie.

Can we all please just chill out? I feel like half of us are going to have a stroke.

Ding ding ding.

You actually have no idea how I feel, you presumptuous obnoxious asswipe.

I felt like the team should have bitten the bullet and given up a little more than they were willing to make those reported deadline deals. This team has (or had) a decent chance to win the World Series. We don't know what our chances will be in two or three years. Now we're losing to the Devil Rays and Royals. I said "**** this ****ing ****". That last "****" was "SHIT", not "team".

Did I give up on this team? No. And don't you or anyone else EVER, EVER ****ing TELL ME THAT I HAVE, YOU GOT THAT? Do I "hate this team"? Well, now you just won yourself a spot on my ignore list.

Where have you gone Miss PINEY?

A Nation turns it lonely eyes to you.

Woo woo woo.

treerol, do you even grasp what has happened to this team over the last couple weeks? we are 2 walkoffs away from getting swept by the indians, lost 2 of 3 to TB and now are currently 0-2 in this series against the royAAALs. this was our easy stretch. this is where we needed to pick up wins. we have LOST ground. that is why people are tweaking out tonight. its not that we are fairweather, its that we understand the levity of the situation. realistically, how do you think this team is going to fare againt CWS, the NYY and Detroit? its going to get ugly if we keep playing ball like this. and i do not see any reason why we will get better. obviously i hope we improve, but i wouldnt buy redsox futures anytime soon.

I think we need a good ole fashioned 22-3 drubbing tomorrow. Jumpstart the bats.

I appreciate what your saying Jamie but lets face it you just don't lose this way to Kansas City....

I know the feeling, believe me. Not sure if you remember last summer like I do but I was pulling out my hair when the Yanks got swept three by KC.... at home no less! I agree by all logic it shouldn't happen but sometimes it does and all you can do is keep cheering for your team and hope they bounce back tomorrow! You do have Schilling on the hill tomorrow and he's certainly capable of being a stopper!

Seriously though, you can't get down on Manny. Can you? One of few bright spots on the team. Eeeeesh...

I can think of about seven other players i'd sh*t on before i'd call Manny out on that fly ball.

This isn't much fun. But hey! We'll be great in '08, and cost efficient too!!!!

I'm going to guess you meant "gravity." I don't see anybody laughing.

Hi, all. I fell asleep on the couch (no really, I did) when the Sox were up 4-0.

I can not believe my ****ing eyes.

We're ******.

Jamie- appreciate it, man, just read your post. But this ain't your 2004 Boston Red Sox.

These guys remind me of the '80 Sox. Lotsa injuries wearing down the nub until it snapped off.

Tonight mighta been the snap off. Yada yada yada.

Shite- Pap's ERA is now a lofty and unacceptable 0.94!!!

I just looked at the results from this season. The Sox have only been swept once so far this year, by the Twins. The next game started the 12 game win streak.

This team can bounce back. Let's hope they do it sooner rather than later. I expect to watch tomorrow's game and see a new, higher level of energy...a higher urgency to win.

I am not going to bitch when Manny effs up, because I love when he hits a bomb, but I gotta say this: A first inning homer minus a ninth inning brain fart = zero. Its like 1-1=0. I don't care if the ball ends up in Keith Olberman's mom's lap, you don't stuff the Goddamn ball in your pocket in that situation. But the number one loser of the game is Pena. No way should he GIDP with the bases loaded. Thats like a fat guys going to food camp and leaving hungry. In a close second is the ever big bootied J Lo. If he'd not had 2 RBI, HE'D win the loser award. The winner award goes to me, because I missed half the game at work, though I glanced at it on our TV. Until we win a few, maybe even like in a row, I feel like 2 midgets trying to dunk on ten foot rims when I watch the Sox play.

All I can add to that is:



Grow a pair, Sawx, seriously, and now now now.

Dude, get over it. Sox fans can disagree with Theo and still be Sox fans. Looks like they are lining up for the Kool-Aid over at Sosh if you don't like hearing the alternative.

And might i remind you that not even you know what this team is going to be in 3 years. You really don't.

25 guys, 25 ambulances.

(Okay, they all went to the hospital/specialist in Town Cars, but you get the drift.)

[codebox] Boston ab r h 2b 3b hr rbi w k avg.
Youkilis, Kevin 1b 3 1 1 1 0 0 0 2 1 .295
Loretta, Mark 2b 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 .303
Ortiz, David dh 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 .288
Ramirez, Manny lf 3 1 2 0 0 1 2 2 1 .322
Pena, Wily Mo rf 5 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 2 .304
Crisp, Coco cf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .275
Lowell, Mike 3b 2 1 0 0 0 0 0 2 0 .285
Kapler, Gabe cf-rf 3 1 1 1 0 0 0 1 0 .269
Lopez, Javy c 4 0 2 1 0 0 2 0 1 .263
Gonzalez, Alex ss 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 .281
Totals 32 4 7 3 0 1 4 9 6

Kansas City ab r h 2b 3b hr rbi w k avg.
DeJesus, David lf 3 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 1 .291
Grudzielanek, Mark 2b 5 2 2 1 0 0 0 0 0 .292
Sweeney, Mike dh 5 1 2 0 0 0 1 0 0 .197
Teahen, Mark 3b 4 1 2 1 0 0 2 0 0 .277
Costa, Shane rf 4 0 2 0 0 0 0 0 1 .267
Shealy, Ryan 1b 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 3 .231
Buck, John c 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .244
Berroa, Angel ss 3 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 1 .241
German, Esteban ph 1 1 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 .323
Gathright, Joey cf 3 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 1 .209
Totals 36 5 11 2 1 0 4 1 7

Boston 2 0 0 2 0 0 0 0 0 -- 4
Kansas City 0 0 0 3 0 0 0 0 2 -- 5

Two out when winning run scored.

E_M.Teahen 2. LOB_Boston 10, Kansas City 8. 2B_K.Youkilis, G.Kapler, J.Lopez,
M.Grudzielanek, M.Teahen. 3B_, E.German. HR_M.Ramirez (32) off M.Redman.
SF_D.DeJesus. S_J.Gathright. SB_S.Costa (1), J.Gathright (16). CS_G.Kapler.
GIDP_W.Pena, M.Lowell, J.Lopez. DP_Kansas City 3 (A.Berroa, M.Grudzielanek
and R.Shealy 2), (M.Teahen and R.Shealy).

Boston IP H R ER BB SO HR PC-ST ERA
Beckett, Josh 6 6 3 2 0 5 0 103-67 4.92
Delcarmen, Manny 2-3 1 0 0 1 0 0 21-12 4.29
Timlin, Mike 1 1-3 1 0 0 0 1 0 20-14 3.19
Papelbon, Jonathan(L 3-2;B5) 2-3 3 2 2 0 1 0 22-15 0.94

Kansas City IP H R ER BB SO HR PC-ST ERA
Redman, Mark 4 1-3 5 4 4 5 3 1 106-61 5.49
Wellemeyer, Todd 3 1 0 0 3 1 0 45-22 3.34
Dohmann, Scott (W 1-1) 1 2-3 1 0 0 1 2 0 32-19 7.50

PB_J.Lopez 2.
IBB_off T.Wellemeyer (D.Ortiz).
WP_J.Beckett 3.
T_3:54. A_21,928.[/codebox]

Yes, that, in one word, is what the Sox seem to be lacking.

Someone get Floyd Landis' doctor on the phone pronto.

Dear Red Sox,

You know I love you, right? Well, right now, at this moment, I just don't like you very much. I know your starting catcher is down, and you have to put up with Lopez, but maybe Huckaby could come back, huh? A run saved is as good as a run earned, right? Maybe Stern could come up and play right and Pena could play center. Couldn't you try that?

Man, it's time for a

There needs to be a brawl tomorrow.
Something to get these guys pumped.

There are two players on this team who have withstood this bad stretch and put together good numbers consistently. Manny Ramirez and David Ortiz. They are providing almost 100% of our offense right now, and in my eyes you can't get down on Manny for not coming up with that ball when he may or may not have gotten the out when he is carrying a great portion of the load offensively. Hell, he has a 24 game hit streak and hes batting around like .385 during that streak with about 8 or 9 homers.

This team is just in a slump. Lopez will gain confidence in handling the staff with each game. We obviously don't have the tools in the pen yet, but hopefully Delcarmen and Hansen can settle in a little better. I still have complete faith in Paps, and maybe even Foulke can come back and be effective. Our offense will get back on track once the bottom of the order starts producing again. We are 3 GB and have nowhere to look but up. I'm looking forward to a good stretch run and this season is far from over.

Here he is with a special delivery for the Boston Red Sox!

Why, so the Sox can all blood dope. How the hell is that going to help.

Ok, I got some fresh air and feel a little better now.

Tomorrow's another day

I could get fresh air, get laid by the hottest chick in the world, and smoke a cuban cigar, and still have a monkey on my back. Maybe, since we are going to be playing better teams soon, we will play better against the better teams, that way we will be on top when all is said and done?

But Manny had 2 RBI's. Wouldn't that be like, 2-1=1?

No since the brain fart ended the damn game

That's a possibility. I like it.
Rise to the occasion vs. the good teams.

I still think the team needs to get itself into a brawl.
Maybe in the next Yankees series.

VORP-FRAA says "Hi".




I miss Pedro and Johnny.

Manny did not lose this game. I repeat, Manny did not lose this game.

Nah, he didn't. I just saw the replay on MLB. Whassisname woulda scored regardless.

Pedro yes, but i don't miss Johnny Cash at all. Can't believe it took me until his signing with the MFY to realize how much of a fake he is.

Idon't know why, but this really brightened me up. Now i can go to sleep in peace. thanks.

Meanwhile, I just got 2 hours of sleep and feel like it's 11:16 PM. Weird night, all around.

Outside, the fricking street cleaners are making all kinds of noise sucking up the asphalt dirt.

And of the original 25 that won it all in 2004 - only 6 are healthy and playing right now - Papi, Manny, Gabe, Youks, Timlin and Schill...

Another awful game against a superior opponent... err.. inferior right?

This team has got to just take a collective breath and start putting it together when it matters. They are plenty capable of doing so. The problem isn't so much the offense or the pitching. The problem is neither side getting it done in game situations. Grounding into DP's with 1 out and the bases loaded twice within 4 innings of each other is just unaccepatable. Giving up homeruns like it's batting practice when you come in to hold/save a game is unacceptable. They are better than that, and I still believe they can turn it around. Just stay within a couple games and this thing can come back around.

The main thing I'm worried about is Paps. This week he has looked way too hittable. I'm really really worried that he is starting to show signs of fatigue that pitchers just aren't used to because they haven't gone through a season this long before. If he doesn't start nailing it down, it won't matter who else starts playing well.

I swear I saw this game on Sunday at St. Pete.

I did, I just know it.

I love the condensed games on MLB.TV. I can go to sleep at a semi-reasonable time, and then quickly watch the extended highlights in the morning. The good news - I was able to get a good night's sleep. The bad news - now I'm going to be pissed all day long.