Full Version: New York at BOSTON, Sunday, August 20, 2006
Thanks Curt.
I picked the wrong weekend to stop sniffing glue.
Look at Giambi's SLG and ISO month-by-month in 2005. Laughable.
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I picked the wrong weekend to stop sniffing glue.
The rain delay really hurt him.
QUOTE(Jermaine Van Buren Fan @ Aug 20 2006, 10:15 PM) [snapback]574795[/snapback]
Look at Giambi's SLG and ISO month-by-month in 2005. Laughable.
You got the numbers? I know he did nothing the first few months and then started hitting HR's every game.
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SEASON OVER
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Wuss.
I thought there was a rule that players who used steroids weren't allowed to play in the MLB. I guess not.
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You got the numbers? I know he did nothing the first few months and then started hitting HR's every game.
They're available everywhere (ESPN to start off). Just do SLG-AVG to calculate ISO.
mussina nibbling against manny.
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Haha, I like you SSA, but comments like this are why I can't hang out in game threads. Just can't do it.
3-2 in the 4th-- game's far from over. Sack up boys!
Manny == unstoppable.
just have a feeling that this one will be a high scoring affair again.
Someone besides Manny ******* Ramirez better ******* start sacking up!!!
This is ********!
This is ********!
QUOTE(Sox Sweep Again @ Aug 20 2006, 09:38 PM) [snapback]574754[/snapback]
I lived there long enough (1984-1989) for that to form me a mental image of random Worcester streets.
It ain't pretty. Sludge, cig butts and popsicle wrappers, if you will.
Get your ass to California, cos Worcester sucks.
Yes, yes it does. Luckily I live on the 'outskirts' so it' a nice quiet area. Very far from downtown.
ARod throws that ball away.
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Haha, I like you SSA, but comments like this are why I can't hang out in game threads. Just can't do it.
3-2 in the 4th-- game's far from over. Sack up boys!
I agree it was a bit of an overreaction, but watching that roid-infested rat**** hit HR after HR, I might release it all once in awhile too.
After the first two months, Mussina has been amazingly average. C'mon sox!!
Mannys def. having a triple crown/MVP season
nice play by green there, i have to say
Mussina, you racist jerk.
Guys, Mussina is getting spanked as well. Let's see what we do with this situation before declaring the season over.
Come on WMP, launch one!
Come on WMP, launch one!
QUOTE(torontosoxfan @ Aug 20 2006, 10:25 PM) [snapback]574815[/snapback]
Mussina, you racist jerk.
where did that come from?
this ump does not like calling that corner. Schill had Giambi earlier and I thought Muss had WMP there.
Haven't seen Wily's first AB but this one in the 4th is some of the best plate discipline i've seen from Pena. He seems to be coming along nicely. Mussina's about to throw pitch 7 this AB, way to go Wily Mo.
I was just gonna ask the same thing.
Fly out or not, I'll take a 7 pitch AB from Wily everytime.
QUOTE(jacksonianmarch @ Aug 20 2006, 10:28 PM) [snapback]574817[/snapback]
where did that come from?
this ump does not like calling that corner. Schill had Giambi earlier and I thought Muss had WMP there.
Gammons made a comment in an article a few years ago which all but names Mussina as a racist.
"The Red Sox fans know when it's a big pitch, a big moment."
You're right Joe, we are the smartest baseball fans.
You're right Joe, we are the smartest baseball fans.
Tied!
Stud who hits bloops.
QUOTE(jacksonianmarch @ Aug 20 2006, 10:28 PM) [snapback]574817[/snapback]
where did that come from?
this ump does not like calling that corner. Schill had Giambi earlier and I thought Muss had WMP there.
Unsubstantiated stuff that isn't true.
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Last June when I launched this site, one of my stated goals was to "write about things I can't at ESPN.com." Well, aside from Vikings- and Royals-specific material, I have not made good on that threat. Today that changes, if only temporarily, because I read a couple of things recently that I feel compelled to write about.
First off, I'm sure many of you have read Peter Gammons' ESPN.com column on John Rocker. It's fair and balanced, and I was happy to see it. But what really struck me was the following:
What Rocker said was unforgivable. But the fact is, every team has heard similar diatribes ... about New York City. One of the game's best pitchers, a sophisticated, intellectual graduate of one of the world's finest universities, has splattered teammates with similar comments and boasts that he will never play without a no-trade clause to the two New York teams.
It doesn't take a genius to guess who this pitcher might be, but before I mention a name, I'll go ahead and work through the research. We've got two presumed facts here. Our mystery man is a top pitcher (rare), and he graduated from a top university (very rare). We'll start with the first of those, and just to make sure nobody gets missed, we'll define "one of the game's best pitchers" as anyone who has saved 30-plus games in either of the last two seasons, or won at least 15 games in either of the last two seasons.
Now, that's obviously a generous definition, and results in pitchers like Kerry Ligtenberg, Dave Veres, Pedro Astacio and Rick Reed being considered among "the game's best pitchers." The list includes 69 different pitchers, 21 of whom met one of the criteria in both 1998 and 1999.
So how many of those 69 pitchers graduated from a four-year college?
Three.
Jeff Montgomery graduated from Marshall.
Mike Mussina graduated from Stanford.
Kevin Tapani graduated from Central Michigan.
Which of those three pitchers is really among the game's best? And which of those three colleges might accurately be described as "a top university"?
You be the judge, and remember that all I'm doing is investigating what Peter Gammons wrote, rather than leveling an accusation against anyone. You'll also have to judge the accuracy of Gammons' comment for yourself.
First off, I'm sure many of you have read Peter Gammons' ESPN.com column on John Rocker. It's fair and balanced, and I was happy to see it. But what really struck me was the following:
What Rocker said was unforgivable. But the fact is, every team has heard similar diatribes ... about New York City. One of the game's best pitchers, a sophisticated, intellectual graduate of one of the world's finest universities, has splattered teammates with similar comments and boasts that he will never play without a no-trade clause to the two New York teams.
It doesn't take a genius to guess who this pitcher might be, but before I mention a name, I'll go ahead and work through the research. We've got two presumed facts here. Our mystery man is a top pitcher (rare), and he graduated from a top university (very rare). We'll start with the first of those, and just to make sure nobody gets missed, we'll define "one of the game's best pitchers" as anyone who has saved 30-plus games in either of the last two seasons, or won at least 15 games in either of the last two seasons.
Now, that's obviously a generous definition, and results in pitchers like Kerry Ligtenberg, Dave Veres, Pedro Astacio and Rick Reed being considered among "the game's best pitchers." The list includes 69 different pitchers, 21 of whom met one of the criteria in both 1998 and 1999.
So how many of those 69 pitchers graduated from a four-year college?
Three.
Jeff Montgomery graduated from Marshall.
Mike Mussina graduated from Stanford.
Kevin Tapani graduated from Central Michigan.
Which of those three pitchers is really among the game's best? And which of those three colleges might accurately be described as "a top university"?
You be the judge, and remember that all I'm doing is investigating what Peter Gammons wrote, rather than leveling an accusation against anyone. You'll also have to judge the accuracy of Gammons' comment for yourself.
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I've heard of getting the beast in the belly...
Well, this time we got the beast with the "Belli"
Well, this time we got the beast with the "Belli"
QUOTE(the reactor @ Aug 20 2006, 10:34 PM) [snapback]574825[/snapback]
Stud who hits bloops.
Better than a 7 pitch fly out. Mabs has a sack!
Caspir,
Never heard that before. Thanks for giving me one more reason to hate Mussina.
Never heard that before. Thanks for giving me one more reason to hate Mussina.
Looks like Mussina might not be coming back. Good.
If Moose is done then that's HUGE. Getting to their pen now is spectacular.
As for Mussina, I don't care a lick about his personal life, and I'd love to have him in the rotation next year on a 1 or 2 year deal.
As for Mussina, I don't care a lick about his personal life, and I'd love to have him in the rotation next year on a 1 or 2 year deal.
Villone has a) been used heavily the last few days and b) has pitched way above his peripherals indicate this year. We need to kill him.
Coco really needs to get something going tonight
CocOut, 3rd edition.
Better than a 1 or 2 pitch Garciapopup
Papelbon 4 innings tonight? The sad thing is, I wouldnt be surprised to see Tito do that, and I actually might not hate it as much as you would think
QUOTE(Austere @ Aug 20 2006, 10:47 PM) [snapback]574840[/snapback]
Better than a 1 or 2 pitch Garciapopup
P/PA is secondary when you can actually hit. Plus Crisp isn't even consistently good at that.
If Papelbon pitches more than 3 innings this year in a single game, I'll leave the board forever. It won't happen.
You knew as soon as it left the bat. You just knew.
BOOOOOOM!!!!
QUOTE(Jermaine Van Buren Fan @ Aug 20 2006, 10:48 PM) [snapback]574843[/snapback]
P/PA is secondary when you can actually hit. Plus Crisp isn't even consistently good at that.
Last time I checked Wily's hitting at least 80 points better than Doug is. That, and, would you rather see him swinging at those outside offspeed pitches and striking out like he was when he got here?
On a side note:
PAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII!!!!!!!!!
Edit:
I'm an idiot I completely misunderstood what you were saying. In WMP's defense though Moose made a good pitch.
During MVP talk. Big man goes yard.
Can someone explain to me how Villone and Proctor can pitch every single day for months and never get so tired that they pitch like crap?
David Ortiz heard Joe Morgan about to get ready to give Derek Jeter oral sex, and David said he didnt like that
QUOTE(blumj @ Aug 20 2006, 10:50 PM) [snapback]574849[/snapback]
Can someone explain to me how Villone and Proctor can pitch every single day for months and never get so tired that they pitch like crap?
I've wondered the same thing all season.
Chew up that pen, chew it up!!!!
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