Manny's ps2
Nov 10 2006, 11:15 AM
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Igawa is a fine pitcher with a shot at being a very good #2 or #3 pitcher in the Majors. Anyone losing out on Matsuzaka should try to pick him up at a fraction of the cost.
http://matsuzaka.blogspot.com/QUOTE
Bats Left, Throws Left
Height 6' 1", Weight 212 lb.
Born July 13, 1979 in Oarai, Ibaraki Japan
Southpaw pitcher Kei Igawa was the number two draft choice of the Hanshin Tigers in 1998. After a couple years in the minors with cups of coffee for Hanshin, Igawa entered the rotation in 2001. Toiling for the last-place Tigers, Igawa went 9-13 but his 2.67 ERA ranked second in the Central League. Only Chunichi's Shigeki Noguchi had a lower ERA.
In 2002, Hanshin improved to fourth and Igawa's record was 14-9. He finished third in ERA (2.49), trailing Masumi Kuwata and Kenshin Kawakami. He also led the Central League with 206 strikeouts.
With the Tigers winning the Central pennant in 2003, Igawa's run support continued to improve. He went 20-5, leading the Central in wins; he also led in ERA (2.80, the only pitcher under 3) and was third with 179 strikeouts. He was named to the Best Nine, won the MVP in the CL and also won the Sawamura Award. After three straight seasons in the top 3 in ERA, Igawa was clearly one of the top hurlers in Nippon Pro Baseball.
His career began to hit the tracks in 2004. He went 14-11 with a 3.73 ERA, though he was still second in wins (behind Kawakami) and led with 228 Ks, 54 more than Kawakami. 2005 was even worse for the former Tigers ace - he was 13-9 with a 3.86 ERA, fifth among his team's starters in ERA, and was briefly exiled to the minors
http://www.baseball-reference.com/bullpen/Kei_Igawa
rene144
Nov 10 2006, 11:33 AM
If he gets 18-20/3, posting fee included, yes. Otherwise no.
This guy is a #4-5. Those of you who have MLB.tv can watch his outing against the MLB all stars from a few days ago.
I think he's totally worth 5 million AAV, is probably worth 6-7, is POSSIBLY worth 8 million if he expresses his full potential and touches his ceiling, but never any more than that. Since he's probably costing more than that, I say no.
When they say "2-3" they're talking about his ceiling. His more likely projection is 4-5, and could be a bust. So I think he's too much of a risk. Maybe I'd write 5 million in the envelope, and would end up losing out on him. But I'd at least write that number... who knows. But not more, as it's too much of a risk.
Lou Duffys Cliff
Nov 10 2006, 12:14 PM
From what I've read his fastball is only in the high 80's and he tends to lack consistancy. He mostly relies on his breaking stuff. There is some video of him from youtube and I wasn't too impressed.
Do we really need another soft tossing lefty? Back of the rotation starter at best.
Manny's ps2
Nov 10 2006, 12:16 PM
QUOTE(Lou Duffys Cliff @ Nov 10 2006, 01:11 PM) [snapback]610019[/snapback]
From what I've read his fastball is only in the high 80's and he tends to lack consistancy. He mostly relies on his breaking stuff. There is some video of him from youtube and I wasn't too impressed.
Do we really need another soft tossing lefty? Back of the rotation starter at best.
Are you talking about Barry Zito?
alskor
Nov 10 2006, 01:11 PM
QUOTE(Lou Duffys Cliff @ Nov 10 2006, 12:11 PM) [snapback]610019[/snapback]
From what I've read his fastball is only in the high 80's and he tends to lack consistancy. He mostly relies on his breaking stuff. There is some video of him from youtube and I wasn't too impressed.
Do we really need another soft tossing lefty? Back of the rotation starter at best.
Right. Definitely pass on this guy.
He's a softtosser coming from Japan... so no big breaking ball most likely... which means MLB hitters will destroy him.
At best his ceiling IMHO is 4-5 starter. If he's real smart about it he can become a guy who has nothing but battles his way through every start.
Like Matsuzaka, even at his ceiling Igawa will be overpaid a bit. Stay away.
SoxFanPJ
Nov 15 2006, 03:00 AM
Theo has said that after Matsuzaka, we don't need to sign another SP, but that we could. If we are going to sign another SP, a guy who might end up in the bullpen or force Wakefield into the bullpen, is Igawa a better option then Padilla/Lilly/Eaton/Meche ilk.
Is Kei Igawa japanese for Ted Lilly? Middle to back of the rotation LH starting pitcher. Should the Sox put in a bid?
"IRON NERVES"
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One of the best left-handed starters in Japan, Igawa wasn't expected to come over this winter as a free agent, but his current employer, the Hanshin Tigers, apparently made an about-face and posted him. Igawa is primarily a two-pitch pitcher, with a below-average fastball in the 84-88 mph range with a little run, and a plus 74-79 mph curveball with a late two-plane break. He has a slight stabbing motion at the start of his delivery, but stays on top of the ball well, giving the curve its good depth and creating some downhill plane to his otherwise flat fastball. He also has average command and plus control.
The downside to Igawa is that his fastball may be a little short for MLB hitters, in which case, he'll end up a reliever, and probably a good one with that plus curve as a lefty-killing weapon. (He does throw an occasional changeup, but prefers to use his curve to get righties out as well.) The upside would be if his quick delivery makes the ball hard enough for hitters to pick up that his fastball plays up to average, in which case he could certainly pitch in the back end of an NL rotation. He's also an ideal candidate to learn a splitter, although that's a common pitch in Asia and it would be a surprise if he hadn't already tried one.
http://insider.espn.go.com/mlb/insider/news/story?id=2655219
Austere
Nov 15 2006, 08:18 AM
Isn't there a rumor Saitoh is going to be posted too? He put up phenomenal numbers last year. 1.75 ERA in 185 IP. He got rocked two years ago though. IIRC he's 29. I would take him over Igawa. Igawa probably won't be worth much more than a bucket of balls sooner than later. You saw what 86mph heat did to BHK in Fenway. It started in one direction ended up going 430ft. in the opposite direction.
The only role I could see Igawa in on this team would be a transitional middle/short relief guy. You never pitch him when Wakefield's pitching, and try to limit his use when he's not coming in after Papelbon, Beckett, or Daisuke, add Schilling to that list if he's maintaining mid 90s velocity. He would probably be ok in short one inning appearances like that when he can capitalize on the swing tempo established by your flamethrowers.
FourthBase
Nov 15 2006, 08:21 AM
I think we need another Japanese player, one way or another.
No way should they let Matsuzaka be isolated with his translator.
He needs a teammate who speaks Japanese.
Which major leaguers know Japanese?
Japanese natives and ex-NPB Americans.
Kaz Matsui (yuck), this guy Igawa (yuck)...
Anyone who isn't going to be overpaid and suck?
Austere
Nov 15 2006, 08:22 AM
Unless your name is Greg Maddux you don't survive as a MLB starting pitcher with an 88mph fastball.
Austere
Nov 15 2006, 08:33 AM
QUOTE(FourthBase @ Nov 15 2006, 08:18 AM) [snapback]612877[/snapback]
I think we need another Japanese player, one way or another.
No way should they let Matsuzaka be isolated with his translator.
He needs a teammate who speaks Japanese.
Which major leaguers know Japanese?
Japanese natives and ex-NPB Americans.
Kaz Matsui (yuck), this guy Igawa (yuck)...
Anyone who isn't going to be overpaid and suck?
Pipedream: Ichiro in RF.
Love to see it. Don't think there's any way in hell Seattle trades him.
Unless we do a lopsided deal way too dumb for Theo to even consider AND take Beltre and his entire contract. Akinori Otsuka would be an interesting option. As would Shigetoshi Hasegawa. Saito (LAD Saito, not NPB's Saitoh) is another interesting name, but I'm not sure we could get him even in a Manny deal. We might've won the bidding for Iwamura, you never know. They did play together on the Japanese WBC team, so they probably know each other. Kenji Johima, but he's not going anywhere either. Otsuka seems like the most (if not, only) viable option, Hasegawa seems to be retired, either that or he went back to Japan.
Cambridge
Nov 15 2006, 08:33 AM
QUOTE(Austere @ Nov 15 2006, 08:19 AM) [snapback]612878[/snapback]
Unless your name is Greg Maddux you don't survive as a MLB starting pitcher with an 88mph fastball.
For someone who spends a lot of time telling other posters they don't know what they're talking about, that was a classic.
FourthBase
Nov 15 2006, 08:34 AM
QUOTE(FourthBase @ Nov 15 2006, 08:18 AM) [snapback]612877[/snapback]
Which major leaguers know Japanese?
Japanese natives and ex-NPB Americans.
Kaz Matsui (yuck), this guy Igawa (yuck)...
Anyone who isn't going to be overpaid and suck?
Here are some possibilities:
Where is Nomo?
Totally washed up?
Could he be a bullpen option?
Where is Petagine?
LOL, just kidding.
Can we trade for Julio Franco?
Does he know any Japanese?
Finally...
Alfonso Soriano.
Those seem to be our options, unless more players get posted.
Austere
Nov 15 2006, 08:44 AM
QUOTE(Cambridge @ Nov 15 2006, 08:30 AM) [snapback]612880[/snapback]
For someone who spends a lot of time telling other posters they don't know what they're talking about, that was a classic.
Name 5 pitchers in the last 6 years with ERAs under 4.50 with over 175IP, not named Barry Zito that can't hit 90. I can't believe there are that many.
This isn't 1980s baseball anymore.
Remember Schilling's rehab starts in 2005 when he was topping out at 89? It was ugly man.
FourthBase
Nov 15 2006, 08:46 AM
But Schilling is a guy who wasn't used to topping out in the high 80's.
In theory, a soft-tosser knows how to use that speed more effectively.
I still don't like soft-tossers, unless they have nasty stuff.
Austere
Nov 15 2006, 08:48 AM
QUOTE(FourthBase @ Nov 15 2006, 08:43 AM) [snapback]612884[/snapback]
But Schilling is a guy who wasn't used to topping out in the high 80's.
In theory, a soft-tosser knows how to use that speed more effectively.
I still don't like soft-tossers, unless they have nasty stuff.
I agree, a soft-tosser without a masterful command of the art of varying speeds will get punished in MLB. Not to mention the AL East. Pitching half his games in Fenway.
Imgran
Nov 15 2006, 09:31 AM
You know, I don't think I saw Roger top 90 in the one start of his I watched this year.
Maybe it was the radar gun?
When it comes to that, Foulke's got fairly modest speed on his "fast"ball as well, and yet when healthy it was fairly effective.
Velocity helps, and it's one of the harder things to train past a certain point so it's a valuable commodity, but a guy like Foulke shouldn't be dismissed just because his fastball is slower if he brings other quality pitches to the table.
All that said, I don't think we need to come home with the Japanese Kason Gabbard either. Let someone else get swept up on the slipstream of Matsuzaka and bid high on him.
FourthBase
Nov 15 2006, 12:09 PM
I forgot these players who may or may not speak Japanese:
Dave Roberts!
Tadano, young reliever in Oakland's system.
alskor
Nov 15 2006, 12:20 PM
QUOTE(Cambridge @ Nov 15 2006, 08:30 AM) [snapback]612880[/snapback]
For someone who spends a lot of time telling other posters they don't know what they're talking about, that was a classic.
One of the most tactfully worded mod smackdowns ever... Unfortunately my sig is full...
czar
Nov 15 2006, 12:27 PM
QUOTE(Austere @ Nov 15 2006, 08:41 AM) [snapback]612882[/snapback]
Name 5 pitchers in the last 6 years with ERAs under 4.50 with over 175IP, not named Barry Zito that can't hit 90. I can't believe there are that many.
Bronson Arroyo
Tom Glavine
Derek Lowe
Chris Young
Clay Hensley
Jake Westbrook
Kenny Rogers
... and that's just from last year, without me double checking all the velocities for guys in the top 50 or so ERAs for the bigs. Not to mention, I haven't gone back 6 years.
Throwing hard allows you to get away with more mistakes-- and if your stuff is good, hurts the reaction time of batters. That's it though. Throwing hard is not a requirement for being a good pitcher.
Imgran
Nov 15 2006, 03:57 PM
QUOTE(Austere @ Nov 15 2006, 08:41 AM) [snapback]612882[/snapback]
Name 5 pitchers in the last 6 years with ERAs under 4.50 with over 175IP, not named Barry Zito that can't hit 90. I can't believe there are that many.
This isn't 1980s baseball anymore.
Remember Schilling's rehab starts in 2005 when he was topping out at 89? It was ugly man.
Austere, you say some pretty smart things, but this wasn't one of them.
Wake says hello
Edmund Dantes
Nov 15 2006, 04:08 PM
QUOTE(Imgran @ Nov 15 2006, 03:54 PM) [snapback]613109[/snapback]
Austere, you say some pretty smart things, but this wasn't one of them.
Wake says hello
And whoever wanted to try and edit this post, please stop. I don't appreciate coming back to one of my posts and seeing a point I raised being changed to a derogatory comment about my mother any more than you would.
No one is editing it. It's just that people got so out of hand with the
so and so says HIGH
shit that there was an autotype put in. Since it really isn't that additive to the baseball conversation to begin with so it's replaced with something that has about the same amount of argumentative worth.
Hitler slept with my mother <-- reads like that
happymeal88
Nov 15 2006, 07:54 PM
QUOTE(czar @ Nov 15 2006, 12:24 PM) [snapback]612997[/snapback]
Bronson Arroyo
Tom Glavine
Derek Lowe
Chris Young
Clay Hensley
Jake Westbrook
Kenny Rogers
... and that's just from last year, without me double checking all the velocities for guys in the top 50 or so ERAs for the bigs. Not to mention, I haven't gone back 6 years.
Throwing hard allows you to get away with more mistakes-- and if your stuff is good, hurts the reaction time of batters. That's it though. Throwing hard is not a requirement for being a good pitcher.
Barry Zito?
I am pretty sure he tops off below or around 90 and is the most sought after MLB free agent pitcher.
It is all about knowing what you can and cannot throw and adjusting your pitching style to fit those constraints. Curt Schilling was bad at 89 because he was used to throwing 93+ and thus the difference between his normal fastball and his offspeed is large. However, when he threw 89 his offspeed stuff stayed the same which left little difference between the two which let hitters stay back on all his pitches.
jacksonianmarch
Nov 15 2006, 08:02 PM
I saw one scouting report that said his fastball tops out at the 84-88 range, and his command is not enough to make up for it.
Imgran
Nov 15 2006, 09:31 PM
QUOTE(jacksonianmarch @ Nov 15 2006, 07:59 PM) [snapback]613220[/snapback]
I saw one scouting report that said his fastball tops out at the 84-88 range, and his command is not enough to make up for it.
Boy, from the Japanese Gabbard to the Japanese DiNardo...
So the final analysis is "Not just no but
nooooooooooooo!"
Lou Duffys Cliff
Nov 27 2006, 07:53 PM
We should hear the outcome sometime next week. Bids were due by 4pm today.
SuperManny
Nov 28 2006, 02:30 PM
Hanshin accepts $25M bid for IgawaQUOTE
The Hanshin Tigers have accepted the top bid -- believed to be about $25 million -- for left-handed pitcher Kei Igawa, SI.com has learned.
Major League Baseball is expected to announce Tuesday night which team won the bidding.
$51M for Matsuzaka isn't looking too bad right now is it? It will be interesting to see who it is that won. Please be the Yankees after bidding $30M for Matsuzaka.
Manny's ps2
Nov 28 2006, 02:41 PM
PLEASE let this guy go to the MFY! And then of course, please let him suck.
FenwayPride
Nov 28 2006, 02:42 PM
My $ says it's either the Rangers or the Mets.
I could easily see Hicks doing something stupid like this.
greg5286
Nov 28 2006, 02:42 PM
Wow, that's a lot more than I figured he'd fetch. He's more of a control pitcher who tops out at 90, with a few different off speed pitches, right?
Hell, then maybe we can give Kason Gabbard or Lenny Dinardo a Japanese name and get a crapload of $ for them too?
SuperManny
Nov 28 2006, 02:46 PM
If the amount of the winning bid is correct then Igawa's bid is higher than most people predicted Matsuzaka's bid to be.
Red Sox Fan2
Nov 28 2006, 02:54 PM
I wonder how Ichiro and other players are feeling about this?
bigbilly
Nov 28 2006, 03:03 PM
I hope this high bid for Igawa does not hurt Lucchino's efforts to get Seibu to kick back some of the $51M posting fee to Matsuzaka to help make the deal.
Lucchino: Boras is being an ass and won't budge lower than $15M, and we can't go higher than $11M. You need to give up some of that huge sum of $ we gave you to bridge the gap so we can get this done.
Seibu: Are you kidding? If Hanshin got $25M for Igawa, you got a bargain!
Imgran
Nov 28 2006, 03:17 PM
PREDICTIONS:
1: This presages a whole crapload of other Japanese talent wanting to come to the US and owners being willing to post them, leading to the beginning ogf a bona fide Japanese invasion of talent into MLB nearly as severe as the ongoing Latin invasion.
2: This presages the death, or severe modification, of the posting system within the next 5 years. The extremely lucrative posting fees will result in a huge talent drain from NPB into MLB, and NPB will want to stop the bleeding by renegotiating the posting system to try to retain the comparatively high level of baseball Japan is enjoying right now.
SuperManny
Nov 28 2006, 03:42 PM
The teams have the power to post players not the players themselves. I don't think that the Japanese will be the ones to stop the system as they are making tons of money on it and are the ones who decide which players get posted. I think some of the lower revenue teams might because they know they have absolutely no shot at any decent talent since they can't compete financially.
Tyrone Biggums
Nov 28 2006, 04:19 PM
QUOTE(bigbilly @ Nov 28 2006, 04:00 PM) [snapback]617466[/snapback]
I hope this high bid for Igawa does not hurt Lucchino's efforts to get Seibu to kick back some of the $51M posting fee to Matsuzaka to help make the deal.
Lucchino: Boras is being an ass and won't budge lower than $15M, and we can't go higher than $11M. You need to give up some of that huge sum of $ we gave you to bridge the gap so we can get this done.
Seibu: Are you kidding? If Hanshin got $25M for Igawa, you got a bargain!
Mark my words this is Masato Yoshi all over again, he'll have a solid first year and in three years he'll be returning to the NBL. I honestly hope for his sake that he landed with an NL team, as with his weak fastball he'll be decimated in the AL.
SplendidSamuel
Nov 28 2006, 04:24 PM
QUOTE(Imgran @ Nov 28 2006, 03:14 PM) [snapback]617473[/snapback]
PREDICTIONS:
1: This presages a whole crapload of other Japanese talent wanting to come to the US and owners being willing to post them, leading to the beginning ogf a bona fide Japanese invasion of talent into MLB nearly as severe as the ongoing Latin invasion.
2: This presages the death, or severe modification, of the posting system within the next 5 years. The extremely lucrative posting fees will result in a huge talent drain from NPB into MLB, and NPB will want to stop the bleeding by renegotiating the posting system to try to retain the comparatively high level of baseball Japan is enjoying right now.
What talent is going to be drained from the Japanese League?? Do you really believe that there are that many viable Major League regulars playing overseas?? It seems to me that there already has been a major talent influx, such as Ichiro and Matsui. However, it is important to remember that for every Ichiro there are 5 or 6 Kaz Matsuis. IMO, there just aren't that many major league level players in Japan. Your post is asinine, completely off base, and vaguely tied to some semblance of reality.
In addition I don't know if I like your tone when you say "as severe as the ongoing Latin invasion." It isn't like they are coming to take over America, this so-called Latin invasion has brought us Manny, Ortiz, and Pedro who are three of my favorite players (obviously).
jsinger121
Nov 28 2006, 05:44 PM
Yanks won the bidding according to the YES Network. An overpay for someone many have pegged to be a #4 starter at best.
fdrnewdeal
Nov 28 2006, 05:49 PM
QUOTE(jsinger121 @ Nov 28 2006, 05:41 PM) [snapback]617576[/snapback]
Yanks won the bidding according to the YES Network. An overpay for someone many have pegged to be a #4 starter at best.
Nice, in fact very nice. I don't understand why NY did this at all actually.
This guy is supposed to be a 4 or 5 in the states. But since he's a player from Japan who they posted 25 million to talk to (and will likely sign for 3-4 years) the NY media will see this as a big deal. When he ends up pitching like a number 4 or 5 and everyone freaks out on them it will be funny as hell.*
*Not that I think this will have a negative impact on the team aside from his pitching, it should be a lot of fun to watch though.
FourthBase
Nov 28 2006, 05:55 PM
Yankees??? OMG, that's awesome. LOL owned.
Doc
Nov 28 2006, 06:03 PM
QUOTE(FourthBase @ Nov 28 2006, 05:52 PM) [snapback]617586[/snapback]
Yankees??? OMG, that's awesome. LOL owned.
Hideki Irabu part two
FourthBase
Nov 28 2006, 06:16 PM
Guess we won't be hearing complaints about Matsuzaka's posting bid from MFY fans again. The Yankees bid what their fans thought would be a good bid on Matsuzaka...on an older soft-thrower. Assuming the Sox's bid on Matsuzaka played a role in making Igawa's bid so high, it's just another side benefit to add onto the Matsuzaka bid.
Austere
Nov 28 2006, 06:43 PM
Any chance they give him a contract worse than Jaret Wrights? 3/$7-8m. That would be priceless.
Manny's ps2
Nov 28 2006, 07:15 PM
The Moronothon at NYY fans seems to think the Yankees did this to "drive up the price for Matsuzaka" They are also claiming his fastball is a low 90's fastball. All that I've read has him topping out at 87-88.
Seabass
Nov 28 2006, 07:24 PM
Tellem's his agent. I'm thinking he's going to go for the one big payday, and he'll use the high posting fee as leverage for a 4 or 5 year deal with an AAV somewhere from $6-9 million.
Does anyone know the initial speculation as to what Igawa's posting fee would be? I remember hearing something like $8-12 million might do it, but I could be completely wrong.
SoxFanPJ
Nov 28 2006, 07:47 PM
QUOTE(Seabass @ Nov 28 2006, 07:21 PM) [snapback]617622[/snapback]
Tellem's his agent. I'm thinking he's going to go for the one big payday, and he'll use the high posting fee as leverage for a 4 or 5 year deal with an AAV somewhere from $6-9 million.
Does anyone know the initial speculation as to what Igawa's posting fee would be? I remember hearing something like $8-12 million might do it, but I could be completely wrong.
The report I heard today on sports radio, was that the Yankees bid was twice what the Padres bid. Not sure what the other teams bid however.
Big Papi 34
Nov 28 2006, 08:06 PM
QUOTE(Manny's ps2 @ Nov 28 2006, 07:12 PM) [snapback]617613[/snapback]
The Moronothon at NYY fans seems to think the Yankees did this to "drive up the price for Matsuzaka" They are also claiming his fastball is a low 90's fastball. All that I've read has him topping out at 87-88.
Maybe Sheffield left some of his "cream" behind when he got traded, it's the only way Igawa will be hitting low 90's with his fastball

QUOTE(SoxFanPJ @ Nov 28 2006, 07:44 PM) [snapback]617634[/snapback]
The report I heard today on sports radio, was that the Yankees bid was twice what the Padres bid. Not sure what the other teams bid however.
Heard that the Mets had come in second place with a bid of $15 million.
SoxFan24
Nov 28 2006, 08:42 PM
gdn from NYYfans.com:
QUOTE
Maybe it's just a ploy to get Boras to drive up Matsuzaka's price. Maybe the Yankees don't want to sign a contract with Igawa
So when Boston made the bid, I heard all the bitching about the unethical nature of the Red Sox bid, and how awful it was that they were just trying to keep him from the Yanks. I love the irony and stupidity that was rolled into that post.
And finally, some Yankee fan finally had the intelligence to say it:
QUOTE
Good signing-all Cash's work
Bad signing--all George's fault.
Nope
Cashman is worshipped more by Yankee fans more than Theo by Red Sox fans.
buffs4444
Nov 28 2006, 09:38 PM
David Wright -3b-NYM who recently saw him in the MLB tour to Japan:
QUOTE
"I just don't know," Wright told Newsday. "I'd have to see him when he's in midseason form. You send a guy up there after a month layoff and you can't get a handle on a guy. But as far as a lefty goes, he has a sneaky fastball. I thought he threw, for a lefty, an average to above-average fastball, an above-average changeup, and his slider was a little flat. But with a month off, who knows? Could be any number of reasons."
espn.com
Red Sox Fan2
Nov 28 2006, 09:41 PM
With Barry Zito and Jason Schmidt on the market they go after Igawa??
Randy Johnson, Mike Mussina, Chien-Ming Wang, Igawa, and possibly Pavano the Yankees are stacked up to have one really bad rotation next season.
Big Papi 34
Nov 28 2006, 09:44 PM
QUOTE(Red Sox Fan2 @ Nov 28 2006, 09:38 PM) [snapback]617687[/snapback]
With Barry Zito and Jason Schmidt on the market they go after Igawa??
Randy Johnson, Mike Mussina, Chien-Ming Wang, Igawa, and possibly Pavano the Yankees are stacked up to have one really bad rotation next season.
Scmidt is not playing on the East coast, he has said he doesn't want to, and Zito might prefer the west coast as well. Personally, I think going after Ted Lilly would have been a smarter move
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