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matty2578
Interesting article on SI.com regarding instant replay...Colorado manager Clint Hurdle was ticked off about some home run calls going against him this week.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/base...y.ap/index.html

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Hurdle said he's in favor of a system where challenges are limited to game-changing plays.

On Monday night at Yankee Stadium, the Seattle Mariners benefited from a missed call to beat New York 3-2. Pinch-runner Willie Bloomquist looked out on a steal attempt in the eighth inning, but was called safe by umpire Gerry Davis and wound up scoring the tying run.

"We'll take it," Bloomquist said. "It's just a good thing there's no instant replay in baseball."

After seeing a replay, Davis admitted he missed the call.

"We're all human," Yankees manager Joe Torre said Tuesday.

Torre, however, was not sure about adding replay.

"How much longer you want this game to go on?" he said. "There's a difference in getting your money's worth and being able to get up in the morning."

Cardinals manager Tony La Russa said he couldn't tell whether Tulowitzki's drive cleared the fence.

"They had a meeting, nobody had a better view, the guy scored anyway, so what's the issue?" La Russa said.

La Russa is not in favor of instant replay.

"I think the umpires do a good job," he said. "They make fewer mistakes than managers do and pitchers hanging breaking balls and hitters popping up balls down the middle."


I'm for limited instant replay. Certainly, balls and strikes calls should NOT be reviewable. However, how can instant replay on HR calls hurt? Or instant replay on calls at home? Shouldn't there be a priority on getting the calls right?

Are you for/against it? If you're for it, what would be a good system to implement?
Red Sox Fan2
I think there should be. If the umps in the 2004 ALCS missed those calls we would be still waiting on a WS.
Seabass
I think instant replay works in baseball if you use it in a very limited format. I was reading a Neyer chat the other day and I think he put forth a pretty good baseline for how the system could be put in place. All home runs that are questionable can be reviewed, and the manager gets two challenges on plays in the field (i.e. if a player made a diving catch or a runner was tagged out). No questec on balls and strikes, as there needs to be some human element in play here. If a pitcher's dominating, I think the strike zone should get a couple of inches wider, things of that nature.

On the whole, this really wouldn't add much length to the game, as it's usually pretty cut and dry on most of these calls. And I think the burden of proof should be the same level as it is in football.
BigSlick
I think there should be a challenge system similar to the NFL. I think we all agree that balls and strikes shound nt be challengable, but tag plays, HR's, close force outs, and trapped/caught liners should all be reviewable.

The umps obviously aren't perfect. In the Seattle/NYY game the ump was in a pretty good position, however from where he was the players blocked his view of second base. He saw the tag was high on the body and assumed that his foot had reached the bag.
Red Sox Fan2
If the manager challenges a call, should he be punished for arguing a good call just like in the NFL, i.e. a time out is used? Should something like an out be added to the team for challenging a good call?
Lou Duffys Cliff
Instant replay for home runs and possibly fan interference only.

All other calls, which for the most part are safe/out and balls/strikes should be left solely to the umps.
Walking Disaster
I'd love to see it on a limited basis as well. Keep it to Fair/Foul, Home Runs and fan interference. Tag plays are tough because you're looking at a two dimensional image on the replay of a three dimensional situation.
D-Lowe
QUOTE(BigSlick @ May 9 2007, 09:35 AM) [snapback]675546[/snapback]
I think there should be a challenge system similar to the NFL. I think we all agree that balls and strikes shound nt be challengable, but tag plays, HR's, close force outs, and trapped/caught liners should all be reviewable.

The umps obviously aren't perfect. In the Seattle/NYY game the ump was in a pretty good position, however from where he was the players blocked his view of second base. He saw the tag was high on the body and assumed that his foot had reached the bag.


Except he was sliding headfirst (and he was a good three feet out when tagged, not exactly a bam bam play/decision). I saw a bunch of replays of this when it occurred, and can't imagine how he could have been in better position. Worked out for us, but was clearly wrong.

Anways, limited review ONLY in the playoffs is what I'd be in favor of.
Red Sox Fan2
QUOTE(D-Lowe @ May 9 2007, 11:12 AM) [snapback]675574[/snapback]
Anways, limited review ONLY in the playoffs is what I'd be in favor of.


But what if a bad call costs you a trip to the playoffs?
yazgoesbacklooksupitsgone
QUOTE(Red Sox Fan2 @ May 9 2007, 09:14 AM) [snapback]675536[/snapback]
I think there should be. If the umps in the 2004 ALCS missed those calls we would be still waiting on a WS.



There is a system in place already. The umpires on questionable calls can get together and see if anyone saw it differently. . Review the tape on the initial Bellhorn non-homerun call in game 6 of '04. That is exactly how it got reversed - correctly - to a home run. It used to be the call was never, ever reversed even if everyone on the crew knew the one guy blew it

Hurdle is just pissed because the call on the field went against him. I promise you the next time he benefits from a bad call he will be mum on instant replay.
TreeRol
There should be replay in EVERY sport. There should be one official with final authority watching the game on a TV, and he should overturn calls on the fly, as long as the next play hasn't begun. The head on-field ump can have a receiver in his ear to get these calls directly from the replay official.

It would be mostly transparent, although I recognize on occasion it could be awkward. The NFL system is a damn travesty.
jackson
QUOTE(yazgoesbacklooksupitsgone @ May 9 2007, 11:52 AM) [snapback]675593[/snapback]
There is a system in place already. The umpires on questionable calls can get together and see if anyone saw it differently. . Review the tape on the initial Bellhorn non-homerun call in game 6 of '04. That is exactly how it got reversed - correctly - to a home run. It used to be the call was never, ever reversed even if everyone on the crew knew the one guy blew it

Hurdle is just pissed because the call on the field went against him. I promise you the next time he benefits from a bad call he will be mum on instant replay.



this is my view, too. let the umpires confer more often and be more willing to overrule a colleague when he's obviously wrong. the third base umpire probably could have bailed out the second base ump in that yankee game the other night.

for the playoffs, i might be in favor of instant replay for calls down the line, fair or foul on balls that either hit the chalk or don't, and on fair/foul homer calls.

baseball games are long enough as is without going to NFL-type instant replays.
Yankee Ghost
I think there should be. I would work it something like this:

A "booth" ump would be part of the regular crew. Some days he would be behind home plate, some days in the booth, etc.

I would have this booth ump automatically review fair/foul balls in the outfield, HR balls, fan interference.

-the exception to this would be ground balls down the line, that would still be left up to the ump on that line, I think it can be too difficult to tell if the ball actually went over the bag or not with replay.

Balls, strikes and check swings would all be non-reviewable plays.

Safe/out calls at the bag, whether or not a runner tagged up and whether or not an outfielder caught the ball would be reviewable by request of the manager. I would give the manager 2, maybe even just 1 review per game.

Should the manager challenge a play and get it wrong, I would take away Mound visits for the rest of the game, except to take a pitcher out.

QUOTE(jackson @ May 10 2007, 10:23 AM) [snapback]675896[/snapback]
baseball games are long enough as is without going to NFL-type instant replays.

I disagree with this. If a play was going to be reviewed by instant replay, then a manager is most likely arguing with the ump anyway.

I think a replay system would speed up the game if anything or could if done right anyway.
gerky
QUOTE(Yankee Ghost @ May 10 2007, 12:34 PM) [snapback]675949[/snapback]
I think a replay system would speed up the game if anything or could if done right anyway.

This is a good point, actually. The crew chief could simply pick up a phone to someone up in the booth in a fraction of the time it takes a manager to waddle out of the dugout and flap his arms in protest. Allowing, say, two challenges for each manager per game could actually speed up the game. The system they have in the NHL, as opposed to the NFL, is more conducive to baseball, in my opinion.
Bozzs
this is a tough one I like the setup that exists now when the umpires confer and discuss..if it was used for specific things ie:hr's disputed,foul/fair calls,interference or close plays to the plate/base then it maybe a worth while tool.There have been many games through the years that have been decided on a bad call. I would support it.
matty2578
For what it's worth, Buster Olney chimed in on the whole instant replay debate yesterday:

http://insider.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index...;CMP=ILC-INHEAD

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Sometime this summer, or maybe in the fall, some hitter, in some ballpark, will smash a long drive. Maybe down the line, toward the foul pole, or maybe into the gap, near the yellow line at the top of a wall. An umpire will move toward the spot where the ball is descending, watching closely to determine whether the ball is a home run, or not.

Within 60 seconds of when the ball lands, everybody watching the game on television will probably know what the right call is. But the umpire will not, sometimes. The question is: Why not?


I communicated with about a dozen executives over the last few of weeks, and almost all of them said that while they would not support a broad use of instant replay in their game, they do think it should be used to aid home run calls, which will often have a dramatic impact on games.

This kind of sentiment apparently has not manifested itself in the meetings of general managers. Two GMs say that when their brethren gather in the offseason to discuss possible changes, there is only lukewarm conversation about instant replay -- and there is an understanding that the folks in baseball's executive offices in Manhattan aren't really thrilled with the idea.


They should embrace the opportunity. Beyond the obvious benefit -- getting the call right -- the use of replay on home run calls makes complete sense for the exact reason that baseball officials have shied away from videotape review in the past: an efficient use of time.


Replay is a bad idea for safe/out calls on the bases, ball-strike calls, fair ball/foul ball baseline calls. "You'd have managers out there all the time complaining," said one GM, "if there was replay on those kinds of calls." But disputed home run calls are rare, the same GM said, and so there would not be a constant slowdown and intrusion of the flow of the game if replay was used in that specific situation.


And in fact, the use of replay on disputed home runs would -- in most cases -- actually speed up the game.


Imagine that Magglio Ordonez pulls a line drive down the left-field line, and the ball either hits the foul pole or doesn't. Say the call goes against the Tigers. Detroit manager Jim Leyland comes out and approaches the umpire who made the call, and there might be some discussion or argument. Then that umpire goes to the crew chief. And then there is often a meeting of all the umpires. And in the time they need to make a ruling, you might have negotiated a new global warming treaty. And while their call is usually correct, it sometimes is not.


Now imagine this same play in the instant-replay universe. Call is made; foul ball. Leyland trots out to the crew chief and requests a review. The umpire steps to the replay monitor in a dugout, and in almost all cases, he knows within seconds whether the ball was fair or foul -- just like everybody at home. The correct call is made, the game is impacted appropriately by Ordonez's line drive, all within two or three minutes.


"It makes complete sense for (home run) calls," said another executive. "Especially in the postseason. You'd have to put in some kind of limit on the number of challenges that managers can make, so that they don't use it as a tool to get their pitchers warmed up. But why not? It wouldn't be expensive."


The umpires say that their working mantra is to get the call right. Instant replay on disputed home run calls -- on home runs, and home runs only -- would help them accomplish that goal.
WWH Mustaine
I'm not opposed to the idea, but there's a lot of gray in the phrase "game-changing play."

Potentially, any play could be a "game-changing play."
MoVaughn.Org
Please excuse my necroposting, but I just heard that Instant Replay is going to be introduced this Thursday (Friday for series not beginning on Thursday). For the record, I think it is a good idea, but that's not why I'm posting.

Only reviewing HRs or fair/foul balls means we will not see instant replay used very often. However, the precedent is now set that umpires could use some help in making accurate calls. Therefore, how long will it be, if ever, before balls and strikes are automatically called by a system of cameras and software?

QuesTec's Umpire Information System has been analyzing umpires' strike zones for over 5 years now. While UIS would need to be greatly improved before being used for official calls, I don't think it's inconceivable that the homeplate umpire will eventually just be calling foul tips and safe/out at the plate. Any thoughts?
BigSlick
QUOTE(MoVaughn.Org @ Aug 26 2008, 03:09 PM) *
I don't think it's inconceivable that the homeplate umpire will eventually just be calling foul tips and safe/out at the plate. Any thoughts?


I can't imagine the umpires union ever agreeing to it.
alskor
If this technology was available to Abner Doubleday let there be no doubt he would have utilized it. In that spirit, Im in favor of replay... if utilized correctly.
Jack Hayden
QUOTE(BigSlick @ Aug 26 2008, 03:19 PM) *
I can't imagine the umpires union ever agreeing to it.


Maybe they'll all resign? Seriously, MLB can make the umps do pretty much whatever they want, and that's the way it should be.

I really wouldn't mind seeing something like Questec calling balls and strikes. The priority should be making the calls according to the rulebook in a uniform fashion, including such things as the high strike. I think that would actually speed the game up. The calls could be instantaneous, and you can't argue and kick dirt at the computer. Obviously, you can't review every fair/foul call or baserunning play, but you could devise a fair system for replays of those things. Maybe a manager gets a challenge or two, or maybe you just have a replay ump in the booth who can overturn a call or order a review at his discretion. We are quite a ways from such a scenario, but if we have the technology to improve the fairness of the umpiring, then we should use it.
BigSlick
QUOTE(Soxfan4747 @ Aug 27 2008, 03:45 AM) *
I really wouldn't mind seeing something like Questec calling balls and strikes.


Does anyone know how Questec adjusts for the hitters height? Does it somehow do it automatically or does it have to be manually adjusted for each batter?
MoVaughn.Org
QUOTE(BigSlick @ Aug 27 2008, 04:04 PM) *
Does anyone know how Questec adjusts for the hitters height? Does it somehow do it automatically or does it have to be manually adjusted for each batter?


According to this article, a Questec operator sets the upper and lower limits of the strike zone for each pitch. While this process is not foolproof, it does seem to be unbiased towards the umpire. However, I think it would need to be automated to actually call balls and strikes in a game situation it order to not be biased for or against certain teams.
The technology probably already exists to make this automatic, but it would take lots of time to prove it is accurate. That time, coupled with the strong resistance that umpires would likely show, would probably mean umpires will be calling balls and strikes for the foreseeable future.
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