We were fairly fortunate in 2007 when it came to pitching health. Josh Beckett missed a small portion of time, Schilling and Wake missed a bit more time than we would've liked, but we had people like Kason Gabbard, Clay Buchholz, and Jon Lester to fill in. It looks like 2008 might be a bit different story. With the POTENTIAL departure of Schilling and probably graduation of Lester and Buchholz, we're looking at a very thin rotation should someone get hurt.
Sure, Julian Tavarez can step in again. But, past JT, we have David Pauley, Davern Hansack, and Abe Alvarez? Could Justin Masterson be ready by mid-season? Michael Bowden? Probably not on Bowden, but Masterson has a decent chance. But, I think we need to secure some more Bronson Arroyo-type pitchers via trades or MiLB Free Agents. Perhaps talking to the Dodgers about someone like Greg Miller, or the Phillies about J.A. Happ.
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As much as I realize this would never happen, he's probably only going to get a one year deal from someone and how expensive could he be?
As much as I realize this would never happen, he's probably only going to get a one year deal from someone and how expensive could he be?
Sorry if that comes off as being a hard ass, but when the initial post mentions that we have Devern Hansack as an option, follow-up posts that ask "Do we still have Devern Hansack? -- and nothing more -- add nothing to the thread. Nor do one-line responses like. "Yes, we do."
We try not to be too heavy-handed wiith moderation here, but we do have standards. As a number of new members have come on board recently, this is a good time for occasional reminders. Thanks.
We try not to be too heavy-handed wiith moderation here, but we do have standards. As a number of new members have come on board recently, this is a good time for occasional reminders. Thanks.
QUOTE(Cambridge @ Nov 5 2007, 08:00 PM) 
Sorry if that comes off as being a hard ass, but when the initial post mentions that we have Devern Hansack as an option, follow-up posts that ask "Do we still have Devern Hansack? -- and nothing more -- add nothing to the thread. Nor do one-line responses like. "Yes, we do."
We try not to be too heavy-handed wiith moderation here, but we do have standards. As a number of new members have come on board recently, this is a good time for occasional reminders. Thanks.
We try not to be too heavy-handed wiith moderation here, but we do have standards. As a number of new members have come on board recently, this is a good time for occasional reminders. Thanks.
My apologies, I missed that in his post, that was all.
with Pettitte declining his MFY option, I'd like to see the Sox explore him.
He's either going to play for the Yankees or retire, it'd be pointless to make that call on him
QUOTE(john dopson @ Nov 5 2007, 07:07 PM)
with Pettitte declining his MFY option, I'd like to see the Sox explore him.
He's already said it's NY or retirement.
At his last go-round he also excluded the Sox opting to go to Houston with Clemens partially because he felt disrespected by the CFY.
Alright, well, Schilling is back in the fold, it seems. That helps a good bit, but I still would like an Arroyo type player in AAA. Or, you know, trade for Clayton Kershaw.
QUOTE(Curll @ Nov 6 2007, 11:55 AM)
Alright, well, Schilling is back in the fold, it seems. That helps a good bit, but I still would like an Arroyo type player in AAA. Or, you know, trade for Clayton Kershaw.
Now that Schilling is back in the fold I don't think the Sox want to sign any free starting pitchers. More than likely they will be scouring the minor league free agents looking for AAAA type player that will be able to spot start a game or two. Considering that if Arroyo was a free agent, he would be the best available free agent pitcher. (Not including Pettitte) Even if the the Sox paid Schilling 13 million garaunteed, he would have been the best avaible pitcher this offseason for the money. Save the money use Devern or some other AAAA pitcher for depth.
Beckett
Matsuzaka
Schilling
Lester
Wakes
Buchholz
Tavarez
Snyder
Pauley
Hansack(do we even have him?)
Bernero
Masterson
Bowden Could these guys be a late season call up in the same way that Buchholz was this year?
I'd say we're pretty stocked up SP wise. Snyder and Tavarez COULD start,, but that's probably not optimal...To me, Pauley=Gabbard more or less....
Matsuzaka
Schilling
Lester
Wakes
Buchholz
Tavarez
Snyder
Pauley
Hansack(do we even have him?)
Bernero
Masterson
Bowden Could these guys be a late season call up in the same way that Buchholz was this year?
I'd say we're pretty stocked up SP wise. Snyder and Tavarez COULD start,, but that's probably not optimal...To me, Pauley=Gabbard more or less....
QUOTE(Manny's ps2 @ Nov 6 2007, 12:27 PM)
I'd say we're pretty stocked up SP wise. Snyder and Tavarez COULD start,, but that's probably not optimal...To me, Pauley=Gabbard more or less....
I'm not afraid of Tavarez for a few starts. Both the end of the 06 season and early 07 season show he can give you a quality start or two. In fact, I think he had 5 or 6 quality starts in both 06 and 07. So, with all the youngans around and the potential need to take it easy on the geriatric wing, Tavarez is a good number 5 to buy you some time with both Buchholz and Wakes or Schilling if necessary. Based on the last couple of years, I'll bet it'll be necessary. I also doubt Buchholz will start the year in Boston. I expect he will be in Pawtucket with some serious limitations on his innings. I wouldn't be surspised to see Buchholz on the Lester program from two years ago. In other words, siginificant pitch count limits in April and May. Then a little bit of strechting out in June to prepare for a July call-up.
I think Theo is referring to Starting Pitching only, at least I hope so, because more bullpen help would be nice.
http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/reds...as/extra_bases/
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Q: Are you out of the pitching market?
TE: "We're probably out of the free-agent market unless there's a real value there, as far as the trade market is concerned if we have a chance to add a real good young, controllable pitcher, sure but we're pretty happy with our depth right now. What we needed was quality to protect the remainder of the rotation."
TE: "We're probably out of the free-agent market unless there's a real value there, as far as the trade market is concerned if we have a chance to add a real good young, controllable pitcher, sure but we're pretty happy with our depth right now. What we needed was quality to protect the remainder of the rotation."
http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/reds...as/extra_bases/
QUOTE(SoxFanPJ @ Nov 6 2007, 05:31 PM)
I think Theo is referring to Starting Pitching only, at least I hope so, because more bullpen help would be nice.
http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/reds...as/extra_bases/
http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/reds...as/extra_bases/
Yeah, I'm sure he means that. I think he will sign a RH veteran and resign Timlin. I wouldn't mind LaTroy Hawkins as a placeholder for Masterson. He had a pretty decent year in Colorado and Theo has had interest in the past. I also wouldn't mind upgrading Lopez; Affeldt is a FA as well and could be a dominant power lefty in time. Those two would give us something like this for 2008:
Papelbon
Okajima
Delcarmen
Timlin
Hawkins
Affeldt
Tavarez
With Masterson ready by late summer if Hawkins craps the bed. Just a first stab at the 2008 pen here.
QUOTE(bosockboy @ Nov 6 2007, 03:42 PM)
Yeah, I'm sure he means that. I think he will sign a RH veteran and resign Timlin. I wouldn't mind LaTroy Hawkins as a placeholder for Masterson. He had a pretty decent year in Colorado and Theo has had interest in the past. I also wouldn't mind upgrading Lopez; Affeldt is a FA as well and could be a dominant power lefty in time. Those two would give us something like this for 2008:
Papelbon
Okajima
Delcarmen
Timlin
Hawkins
Affeldt
Tavarez
With Masterson ready by late summer if Hawkins craps the bed. Just a first stab at the 2008 pen here.
Papelbon
Okajima
Delcarmen
Timlin
Hawkins
Affeldt
Tavarez
With Masterson ready by late summer if Hawkins craps the bed. Just a first stab at the 2008 pen here.
Affeldt is going to get a multi-year deal at a decent price, and he's not very good. He's always had serious control issues. I'd much rather trade for some 'pen help as part of a Crisp deal than sign Affeldt. If you're thinking Farrell can magically fix his control, it's probably not going to happen.
Hawkins would be a good find if he comes cheap. His K/9 has been falling rapidly, but he made up for that with monster groundball tendencies this year, and he's got decent control.
I'm still against re-signing Timlin, because I don't believe he can be successful again with a mediocre strikeout rate and flyball tendencies, but I think it's a foregone conclusion he's brought back.
Whatever happens, Lopez needs to go. Sucking at your job and being called on repeatedly to do said job is not a good combination. If we're going to have a LOOGY, at least have one that can get LHH out.
QUOTE(Jermaine Van Buren Fan @ Nov 6 2007, 07:14 PM)
Affeldt is going to get a multi-year deal at a decent price, and he's not very good. He's always had serious control issues. I'd much rather trade for some 'pen help as part of a Crisp deal than sign Affeldt. If you're thinking Farrell can magically fix his control, it's probably not going to happen.
Hawkins would be a good find if he comes cheap. His K/9 has been falling rapidly, but he made up for that with monster groundball tendencies this year, and he's got decent control.
I'm still against re-signing Timlin, because I don't believe he can be successful again with a mediocre strikeout rate and flyball tendencies, but I think it's a foregone conclusion he's brought back.
Whatever happens, Lopez needs to go. Sucking at your job and being called on repeatedly to do said job is not a good combination. If we're going to have a LOOGY, at least have one that can get LHH out.
Hawkins would be a good find if he comes cheap. His K/9 has been falling rapidly, but he made up for that with monster groundball tendencies this year, and he's got decent control.
I'm still against re-signing Timlin, because I don't believe he can be successful again with a mediocre strikeout rate and flyball tendencies, but I think it's a foregone conclusion he's brought back.
Whatever happens, Lopez needs to go. Sucking at your job and being called on repeatedly to do said job is not a good combination. If we're going to have a LOOGY, at least have one that can get LHH out.
Good post. Agree on Affeldt, just a thought. I'm more on board with Hawkins as the 2008 Donnelly.
I know your affinity for Mike Timlin, I think he will be brought back until he can't get it done. The guy still produced in the postseason; a couple million won't kill us here.
I think MDC/Timlin/Hawkins is enough from the right side until Masterson or Hansen is ready.
And I agree that if they insist on a loogy, Lopez has got to go.
I have a hunch we'll get Hawkins.
I'd rather get the B level prospects for Timlin. He's 41 years old and somewhat brought back his weak K/9 and K/BB ratios. He also had a 0.93 GB/FB ratio while only recording 55.1 IP
QUOTE(SoxFanPJ @ Nov 6 2007, 03:31 PM)
I think Theo is referring to Starting Pitching only, at least I hope so, because more bullpen help would be nice.
http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/reds...as/extra_bases/
http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/reds...as/extra_bases/
Yeah, we could use a veteran arm. It doesn't have to be anyone great. A 3.5-3.8 ERA guy who would be fourth on the BP totem pole below Paps, Oki-Doki and MDC would be fine. This would be a guy to share the 6th inning with Timlin.
According to redsox.com, they're tossing around the possibility of a 6 man rotation.
http://boston.redsox.mlb.com/news/article....sp&c_id=bos
http://boston.redsox.mlb.com/news/article....sp&c_id=bos
QUOTE
Something borrowed, something new: The Red Sox are in the very early stages of considering a dramatic switch to their pitching rotation that has nothing to do with signing a major free agent or acquiring a star hurler.
Based on the success the team had with giving Schilling and Josh Beckett more than seven days' rest on several occasions late in the season and the fact that Daisuke Matsuzaka thrived on five days' rest in his native Japan, the team is considering a switch to a six-man pitching rotation.
"We've discussed that concept, the concept of a six-man rotation," Epstein said. "I think it's premature to commit to any usage pattern, but certainly we're in a bit of a unique situation where you'd say a number of our starters might benefit from something like that in one way or another. But there's just so much attrition in baseball that the minute we start counting on having a six-man rotation or give it serious consideration, that's when we lose a pitcher or two in Spring Training and we look for someone to step up."
Adding more fuel to the speculation now is the return of Schilling for 2008, giving the Red Sox, at least on paper, six starters heading into the season in Beckett, Matsuzaka, Schilling, Tim Wakefield, Jon Lester and possibly Clay Buchholz.
"I'm sure that topic will come up in our internal discussions between now and Spring Training. It's an interesting concept, given the personnel we have, but not something we've fully explored yet," Epstein said.
Based on the success the team had with giving Schilling and Josh Beckett more than seven days' rest on several occasions late in the season and the fact that Daisuke Matsuzaka thrived on five days' rest in his native Japan, the team is considering a switch to a six-man pitching rotation.
"We've discussed that concept, the concept of a six-man rotation," Epstein said. "I think it's premature to commit to any usage pattern, but certainly we're in a bit of a unique situation where you'd say a number of our starters might benefit from something like that in one way or another. But there's just so much attrition in baseball that the minute we start counting on having a six-man rotation or give it serious consideration, that's when we lose a pitcher or two in Spring Training and we look for someone to step up."
Adding more fuel to the speculation now is the return of Schilling for 2008, giving the Red Sox, at least on paper, six starters heading into the season in Beckett, Matsuzaka, Schilling, Tim Wakefield, Jon Lester and possibly Clay Buchholz.
"I'm sure that topic will come up in our internal discussions between now and Spring Training. It's an interesting concept, given the personnel we have, but not something we've fully explored yet," Epstein said.
The 6 man rotation is an intriguing idea.
The only potential problems I could see would be conditioning the pitchers arms to pitch on "short rest" during the postseason, and the impact on Beckett's chances fo winning 20 and another Cy.
I would be inclined to give Beckett his regular # of starts and spread out the other guys.
The only potential problems I could see would be conditioning the pitchers arms to pitch on "short rest" during the postseason, and the impact on Beckett's chances fo winning 20 and another Cy.
I would be inclined to give Beckett his regular # of starts and spread out the other guys.
a little early for it's own thread imo but thought this post was pretty interesting from rotoworld:
Johan Santana-S- Twins Nov. 15 - 8:48 am et
According to the Boston Globe, the Red Sox may shy away from pursuing a trade for Miguel Cabrera because they "might be saving up" their "arsenal of young players" for a potential deal for Johan Santana or Dan Haren.
Just a few weeks ago most people seemed to think that Santana wasn't going to be dealt, but now it sounds like several teams are going to make a run at him during the Winter Meetings next month. The speculation about Haren being on the market comes from general manager Billy Beane talking last week about potentially blowing up the A's and rebuilding.
Source: Boston Globe
Johan Santana-S- Twins Nov. 15 - 8:48 am et
According to the Boston Globe, the Red Sox may shy away from pursuing a trade for Miguel Cabrera because they "might be saving up" their "arsenal of young players" for a potential deal for Johan Santana or Dan Haren.
Just a few weeks ago most people seemed to think that Santana wasn't going to be dealt, but now it sounds like several teams are going to make a run at him during the Winter Meetings next month. The speculation about Haren being on the market comes from general manager Billy Beane talking last week about potentially blowing up the A's and rebuilding.
Source: Boston Globe
QUOTE(Bozzs @ Nov 15 2007, 09:55 AM)
a little early for it'd own thread imo but thought this post was pretty interesting from rotoworld:
Johan Santana-S- Twins Nov. 15 - 8:48 am et
According to the Boston Globe, the Red Sox may shy away from pursuing a trade for Miguel Cabrera because they "might be saving up" their "arsenal of young players" for a potential deal for Johan Santana or Dan Haren.
Just a few weeks ago most people seemed to think that Santana wasn't going to be dealt, but now it sounds like several teams are going to make a run at him during the Winter Meetings next month. The speculation about Haren being on the market comes from general manager Billy Beane talking last week about potentially blowing up the A's and rebuilding.
Source: Boston Globe
Johan Santana-S- Twins Nov. 15 - 8:48 am et
According to the Boston Globe, the Red Sox may shy away from pursuing a trade for Miguel Cabrera because they "might be saving up" their "arsenal of young players" for a potential deal for Johan Santana or Dan Haren.
Just a few weeks ago most people seemed to think that Santana wasn't going to be dealt, but now it sounds like several teams are going to make a run at him during the Winter Meetings next month. The speculation about Haren being on the market comes from general manager Billy Beane talking last week about potentially blowing up the A's and rebuilding.
Source: Boston Globe
Don't get me wrong, I would love to see Santana in the Sox rotation, but it would suck to lose what it will take to get him.
I wonder if it would be possible to keep Ellsbury and Bucholz and still pull it off. I'm guessing something like Lester, Masterson and Crisp wouldn't be enough.
I am not going to lie, I like Santana, I think hes one of, if not the best pitcher out there, but I think Ellsbury/Clay/Lester is more valuable than Santana with the current make up of this team. If you can keep 2/3 of those guys, than do it....but there is no way you can.
QUOTE(bosockboy @ Nov 6 2007, 04:27 PM)
Good post. Agree on Affeldt, just a thought. I'm more on board with Hawkins as the 2008 Donnelly.
I know your affinity for Mike Timlin, I think he will be brought back until he can't get it done. The guy still produced in the postseason; a couple million won't kill us here.
I think MDC/Timlin/Hawkins is enough from the right side until Masterson or Hansen is ready.
And I agree that if they insist on a loogy, Lopez has got to go.
I have a hunch we'll get Hawkins.
I know your affinity for Mike Timlin, I think he will be brought back until he can't get it done. The guy still produced in the postseason; a couple million won't kill us here.
I think MDC/Timlin/Hawkins is enough from the right side until Masterson or Hansen is ready.
And I agree that if they insist on a loogy, Lopez has got to go.
I have a hunch we'll get Hawkins.
I too agree on Affeldt, but am not at all on board with Hawkins. Living in Chicago, another pretty rabid media market, the Hawkins experience was a complete disaster. Granted, it would be for a drastically different role, but I do believe his make up to be pretty shaky.
I thought we learned our lesson about NL relievers who seem "okay" in 2006? Not sure why we would waste probably around $4 million on Hawkins.
As for finding another LOOGY, I totally agree. If Terry needs his binky, at least find him a good one. Kyle Snyder could be used in this role, if my memory serves me correctly he was the best pitcher vs. lefties in the BP last year, with Oki up there too. But he isn't a sidearm lefty so apparently the coaching staff doesn't notice?
Ron Mahay could be an interesting idea. Lefty reliever, pitched well in Texas before going to Atlanta in the Tex deal. Had a really good season but you have to wonder if that was because it was a contract year, it was way better than his career #s. Still interesting, though.
As for finding another LOOGY, I totally agree. If Terry needs his binky, at least find him a good one. Kyle Snyder could be used in this role, if my memory serves me correctly he was the best pitcher vs. lefties in the BP last year, with Oki up there too. But he isn't a sidearm lefty so apparently the coaching staff doesn't notice?
Ron Mahay could be an interesting idea. Lefty reliever, pitched well in Texas before going to Atlanta in the Tex deal. Had a really good season but you have to wonder if that was because it was a contract year, it was way better than his career #s. Still interesting, though.
Any decent reliever on the market is going to cost minimum 3 years 3 to 4 million a year unless they come from Japan as Okie did last year, JMO.
How much would Joe Kennedy cost, and would he be okay with being a glorified LOOGY?
http://www.baseball-reference.com/pi/pspli...jo04&year=c
Career vs. LH (800 ab) .238/.310/.370/.680
2007 vs. LH (98 ab) .204/.341/.224/.566
http://www.baseball-reference.com/pi/pspli...jo04&year=c
Career vs. LH (800 ab) .238/.310/.370/.680
2007 vs. LH (98 ab) .204/.341/.224/.566
I'm not a big fan of trading for Santana right now. Its going to cost a ton in terms of top prospects and then you have to hand him a $200M contract to extend him since he's only signed for 1 more year. Just wait it out and go up against everyone else next offseason in the FA market for him. I really don't see him signing a below market deal this time around. Rumors have it that the players union is pushing him to make it to FA to set the new bar for pitching FA contracts.
QUOTE(FourthBase @ Nov 16 2007, 12:21 AM)
How much would Joe Kennedy cost, and would he be okay with being a glorified LOOGY?
http://www.baseball-reference.com/pi/pspli...jo04&year=c
Career vs. LH (800 ab) .238/.310/.370/.680
2007 vs. LH (98 ab) .204/.341/.224/.566
http://www.baseball-reference.com/pi/pspli...jo04&year=c
Career vs. LH (800 ab) .238/.310/.370/.680
2007 vs. LH (98 ab) .204/.341/.224/.566
I'm a bit of a fanboy, but I can't understand what's wrong with Craig Breslow as a LOOGY. He's got some control issues vs. righties, but he's good against lefties. He has been good in the small sample size of PA's in MLB. I know he really looks bad after this year (he allowed .292 BA to lefties in AAA) but that's just because of an incredible BABIP spike (.455!!!) over a small sample size (20.2 IP). He struck out 33 lefties over 20.2 IP, which is simply unbelievable. I think he would do really well, and as soon as his BABIP regresses, he's going to be a lefty killer once again. The strikeout rate doesn't lie.
I would really love to see him in the bullpen next year.
Breslow would be a cheap and hassle-free LOOGY option...I like it!
Has there been any word re. Timlin?
QUOTE(chicowalker @ Nov 16 2007, 02:10 PM)
Has there been any word re. Timlin?
Was just going to post on this. Not a peep. Nothing about the Sox or another team. I'll be stunned if they don't give him a 1 year, 3 million-ish deal, but it is very strange to hear absolutely nothing in the 19 days since the WS ended.
I hope we offer him arb and he goes to another team.
Timlin as far as I know doesn't have an agent and is representing himself. I would imagine that if he is coming back we won't hear about the deal until it is signed, given his age he has to know the Sox will only offer him a 1 year deal probably for similar money that he signed for last year, if there is mutual interest on both sides a deal will get done fairly quickly I would image. Timlin doesn't have any need to make negotiations public unless he wants to leave.
Timlin is definitely worth a roll of the dice if you're bringing him to camp on another 1yr/$2M deal. He's near the end of the line, but he's a decent 7th inning option until the next round of arms is ready to help.....the Hansen's, the Bryce Cox's, and the Bard's of our system.
I'm pretty much in agreement that the motherlode of talent we'd have to give up to get Santana makes it prohibitive. Include both Lester and the No Hit kid in the trade and you're probably giving up 5-6 years of 350-400 innings/per year of cost-controlled, above league average pitching - and possibly a lot more than that if Clay turns out to the front of the rotation guy a lot of people think he can be.
One of the advantages of being filthy rich is that we don't have to trade top young guns for established talent and then try to sign that top talent to longterm contracts. We can wait until the opportunity is there to sign the top studs as free agents for ridiculous money and hold onto the young guys, too.
One of the advantages of being filthy rich is that we don't have to trade top young guns for established talent and then try to sign that top talent to longterm contracts. We can wait until the opportunity is there to sign the top studs as free agents for ridiculous money and hold onto the young guys, too.
At least one of CC, Johan, Sheets, and Burnett will be a FA. Just wait out this year and we can have a rotation of:
CC/Johan/Sheets/Burnett, Beckett, DiceK, Buchholz, and Lester
CC/Johan/Sheets/Burnett, Beckett, DiceK, Buchholz, and Lester
QUOTE(Red Sox Fan2 @ Nov 17 2007, 12:33 AM)
At least one of CC, Johan, Sheets, and Burnett will be a FA. Just wait out this year and we can have a rotation of:
CC/Johan/Sheets/Burnett, Beckett, DiceK, Buchholz, and Lester
CC/Johan/Sheets/Burnett, Beckett, DiceK, Buchholz, and Lester
My money is on Peavy being a Red Sox in 2009 (via trade.)
Padres are working on a long term deal for Peavy, theres very little chance he's anywhere other than San Diego in 2 years
I'd like to see Farrell's effect on this guy.
Having the contrast from Oki to Wood as the setup man would be nice, especially if Oki, uh, comes back down to earth next year. Wood the Enigma, if he can ever put it together as a reliever, could dominate. Farrell could very well be the guy to help make that happen.
Having the contrast from Oki to Wood as the setup man would be nice, especially if Oki, uh, comes back down to earth next year. Wood the Enigma, if he can ever put it together as a reliever, could dominate. Farrell could very well be the guy to help make that happen.
QUOTE(Ralpho316 @ Nov 17 2007, 12:39 AM)
Padres are working on a long term deal for Peavy, theres very little chance he's anywhere other than San Diego in 2 years
Unless Peavy takes an unprecedented hometown discount, he won't resign there. The long term deal talk is just fluff IMHO. He will command $150-$200 million on the open market and there isn't a scenario where SD can pay that.
QUOTE(bosockboy @ Nov 16 2007, 08:06 PM)
Unless Peavy takes an unprecedented hometown discount, he won't resign there. The long term deal talk is just fluff IMHO. He will command $150-$200 million on the open market and there isn't a scenario where SD can pay that.
Speculation here in SD is that the Padres will make a big splash with the Peavy extension and show the fans that they care about keeping Jake a Padre.
QUOTE(buffs4444 @ Nov 16 2007, 10:39 PM)
I'd like to see Farrell's effect on this guy.
Having the contrast from Oki to Wood as the setup man would be nice, especially if Oki, uh, comes back down to earth next year. Wood the Enigma, if he can ever put it together as a reliever, could dominate. Farrell could very well be the guy to help make that happen.
Having the contrast from Oki to Wood as the setup man would be nice, especially if Oki, uh, comes back down to earth next year. Wood the Enigma, if he can ever put it together as a reliever, could dominate. Farrell could very well be the guy to help make that happen.
Hear hear Buffs.
Kerry Wood because of his health is never likely going to be a starter again, but as a reliever he is a solid bet. I think he is the best upside reliever on the market (assuming Mariano is re-signing in NY and wouldn't sign anywhere he was not the closer anyways and Cordero wouldn't sign somwhere he is not a closer either).
The problem is it seems that Wood is pretty loyal to the Cubs signing a club friendly deal last season and may decide to take less then full market value to stay there.
Failing Wood I think you make a 1 year offer to Percival (40 IP in STL, 0.85 WHIP .171 BAA 1.80 ERA)
Normally i would also advocate going after Linebrink, but his decline and the fact he is a Type A free agent doesn't make him worth the investment.
QUOTE(Red Sox Fan2 @ Nov 16 2007, 10:33 PM)
At least one of CC, Johan, Sheets, and Burnett will be a FA. Just wait out this year and we can have a rotation of:
CC/Johan/Sheets/Burnett, Beckett, DiceK, Buchholz, and Lester
CC/Johan/Sheets/Burnett, Beckett, DiceK, Buchholz, and Lester
I think you mean:
Beckett, CC/Johan/Sheets/Burnett, Dice K, etc...
Josh is as much an "Ace" as any pitcher in baseball now. He's the stopper, the horse, the K machine... the Texas fireballer with the golden arm. He's the total package.
He's also been the best pitcher in baseball over the last season. NO ONE, not even Johan, can come in and supplant him as the staff Ace anymore... and if you had to read that twice check out Johan's numbers this year...
I could agree with Beckett, Sheets/Burnett but I wouldn't put Beckett over a guy with a career ERA of 3.22 or someone who just beat him in the Cy Young voting.
Edit: Johan had a down year, but even in "down year" he had an ERA of 3.33 while giving up the most HR in the MLB.
Edit: Johan had a down year, but even in "down year" he had an ERA of 3.33 while giving up the most HR in the MLB.
QUOTE(buffs4444 @ Nov 16 2007, 08:39 PM)
I'd like to see Farrell's effect on this guy.
Having the contrast from Oki to Wood as the setup man would be nice, especially if Oki, uh, comes back down to earth next year. Wood the Enigma, if he can ever put it together as a reliever, could dominate. Farrell could very well be the guy to help make that happen.
Having the contrast from Oki to Wood as the setup man would be nice, especially if Oki, uh, comes back down to earth next year. Wood the Enigma, if he can ever put it together as a reliever, could dominate. Farrell could very well be the guy to help make that happen.
Someone heard you
Boston Globe
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A would-be reliever in Wood
An interesting pitcher on Boston's radar is Cubs free agent righthander Kerry Wood, who made the transition from oft-injured starter to reliever. Wood is trying to work out something with the Cubs, but if it doesn't happen, he could be precisely the type of power arm the Sox like to have late in the game - the role they envisioned for Eric Gagné.
An interesting pitcher on Boston's radar is Cubs free agent righthander Kerry Wood, who made the transition from oft-injured starter to reliever. Wood is trying to work out something with the Cubs, but if it doesn't happen, he could be precisely the type of power arm the Sox like to have late in the game - the role they envisioned for Eric Gagné.
Only problem I see is that if he believes he is healthy and has recovered completely from his surgery, he may want a multi-year deal and a shot to go into the rotation at some point.
QUOTE(alskor @ Nov 17 2007, 02:57 AM)
I think you mean:
Beckett, CC/Johan/Sheets/Burnett, Dice K, etc...
Josh is as much an "Ace" as any pitcher in baseball now. He's the stopper, the horse, the K machine... the Texas fireballer with the golden arm. He's the total package.
He's also been the best pitcher in baseball over the last season. NO ONE, not even Johan, can come in and supplant him as the staff Ace anymore... and if you had to read that twice check out Johan's numbers this year...
Beckett, CC/Johan/Sheets/Burnett, Dice K, etc...
Josh is as much an "Ace" as any pitcher in baseball now. He's the stopper, the horse, the K machine... the Texas fireballer with the golden arm. He's the total package.
He's also been the best pitcher in baseball over the last season. NO ONE, not even Johan, can come in and supplant him as the staff Ace anymore... and if you had to read that twice check out Johan's numbers this year...
Santana would be the ace of the staff if he came to Boston. Beckett has a Cy Young type year but Santana has done it for years now and one season of Beckett being better doesn't make him a better pitcher. CC Sabathia is also right there as we all know who won the AL Cy Young this year. I would want Beckett as my #1 in the playoffs but Santana is still the best pitcher in baseball IMO.
Timlin has been offered a 1 year contract terms unknown.
http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/reds...hat_transcript/
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Jeffsox__Guest_ Nick - Is there any interest in resigning Mike Timlin?
Nick_Cafardo He's been offered a 1-year deal. Not sure if it's a straight major league contract or a minor league deal with a major league invite.
Nick_Cafardo He's been offered a 1-year deal. Not sure if it's a straight major league contract or a minor league deal with a major league invite.
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Soxborough__MA__Guest_ Any chance of another Japanese reliever for Beantown?
Nick_Cafardo Always a possibility. There's four or five decent right-handers available that the Sox have been looking at, who can be or already are free-agents.
Nick_Cafardo Always a possibility. There's four or five decent right-handers available that the Sox have been looking at, who can be or already are free-agents.
http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/reds...hat_transcript/
Do you guys think we should try and trade for Scott Kazmir? it would probably take 2 of our top pitching prospects and a little more. Would you do it? He pitches in the AL and he is only 23.
QUOTE(24Red Sox @ Nov 20 2007, 06:48 PM)
Do you guys think we should try and trade for Scott Kazmir? it would probably take 2 of our top pitching prospects and a little more. Would you do it? He pitches in the AL and he is only 23.
If the Rays traded him now than they should re-locate. There is 0 need to trade him right now. Maybe next year.
Sounds like the Sox-Kerry Wood rumblings are real. This out of Chicago:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/cs-07...1&cset=true
This story combined w/ another link I saw on SOSH sounds like the Sox might be offering 2/10 to Wood to be the primary RH setup man. Sounds pretty reasonable and low risk; they would have plenty of depth with MDC and Timlin, and Masterson due by late summer.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/cs-07...1&cset=true
This story combined w/ another link I saw on SOSH sounds like the Sox might be offering 2/10 to Wood to be the primary RH setup man. Sounds pretty reasonable and low risk; they would have plenty of depth with MDC and Timlin, and Masterson due by late summer.
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