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Nick Hagadone

From Soxprospects.com:
Age: 21
Born: January 1, 1986, Sumner, WA
Height: 6-5
Weight: 230
Bats: Left
Throws: Left
Drafted: 1st round, 2007; 36th round, 2004 by SEA
How Acquired: Draft
College: Washington
High School: Sumner (WA)
ETA: late 2009

Scouting report from Soxprospect.com:
Big lefty whose fastball sits around 92-93 mph and generally tops out at 95 mph with good movement. Late in 2007, Hagadone reached back and was hitting 96-98 mph on the Lowell gun on several occasions. Aggressive, throws strikes and gets ahead in the count. Also mixes in a biting 82-83 mph plus slider, and a quickly improving 80-81 mph changeup. Very good control. Team leader and a hard worker. A closer in college, Hagadone could make it as a starter if his changeup keeps improving. Not a lot of miles on his arm. Needs to work on keeping his delivery consistent. At this stage, despite having fluid arm action, his delivery is a bit compact. The team is still undecided as to whether Hagadone will be a starter or a reliever long-term.

MLB Comparison: Tom Gorzelanny

Didn't see a thread for him so I figured I would start one. His a hard throwing lefty who was the #55 pick overall in this past June's draft, and was the Sox's first pick of the draft. A power lefty, he seems to have a pretty good fastball which he throws mid 90's with a good slider in the low 80's. Working on a change up. Could likely take the Papelbon career route, being a college closer, a starter in the minors to refine his repitoire, then go back to the bullpen in Boston. Had a rough first outing in Lowell this year, but bounced back and threw 23 scoreless, dominating innings after that.
Here is his line from this season:
team lg level org age w l era g gs cg sh sv ip h r er hr bb so k/bb
Lowell NYPL A Bos 21 0 1 1.85 10 10 0 0 0 24.1 14 5 5 1 8 33 4.13

Here is his Soxprospects.com page:http://soxprospects.com/players/hagadone-nick.htm

Here is a question and answer in the lastest Ask BA (11/6) where Jim Callis talks about Nick Hagadone: http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/askba/265150.html

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Lefthander Nick Hagadone, the Red Sox' top 2007 draft pick, had a tremendous summer in the short-season New York-Penn League. How does he project as a major leaguer? Is he capable of being a No. 2 or 3 starter, is he a bottom-of-the-rotation pitcher or is he destined to eventually return to the bullpen? Kevin Morrison Boston

The 55th overall pick in June, Hagadone already is looking like a steal. After allowing five runs in his first pro game, he pitched scoreless ball over 23 innings for the rest of the summer. He's a 6-foot-5, 230-pound lefthander with a 92-94 mph fastball and an 82-84 mph slider. His changeup has had its moments, and if he can refine it, he'll be a starter. If not, he can be a nasty reliever. Hagadone's upside is as a No. 2 starter, but it's early and I'm conservative when it comes to projecting starters, so I wouldn't expect more than a No. 3 at this point. But his potential is certainly intriguing, and he may not need much time in the minors before he can contribute in Boston.


This is my first prospect adoption, so go Nick and hopefully see you in a Sox uni sooner rather than later! Best of luck!

Also here is a Q&A session he had with Soxprospects.com:
link:http://soxprospects.blogspot.com/2007/08/1...k-hagadone.html

Q&A:
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SoxProspects.com recently exchanged some Q&A's with Lowell SP Nick Hagadone. Nick was the first player taken by the Red Sox in the 2007 draft, and the 55th player taken overall. He started his season in Lowell with a tough outing but hasn't allowed an earned run in 14 innings since his debut. Many thanks to Nick for taking the time to answer our questions.

SP: You were drafted in the later rounds in 2004 by Seattle. What factors went in your decision to turn down the Mariners and enroll at the University of Washington?

NH: When I was drafted in 04' by Seattle, it was in the later rounds, and I was going to be a draft-and-follow so there was no guarantee that I was going to be able to sign. During high school, baseball wasn't my main focus. I concentrated mostly on developing my football skills and I felt like I wasn't ready to make the jump from high school to professional baseball. Originally I was signed to go to Bellevue Community College but then Ken Knutson from the UW called and offered me a scholarship. It was an opportunity that I couldn't pass up because I knew that the coaching staff there would help me to fully develop my potential.

SP: At UW, you were part of a pretty good pitching staff, including Tim Lincecum and our own Richie Lentz. What have you learned from these pitchers and what might they have learned from you? Have you been in touch with Richie Lentz since joining the organization?

NH: At Washington I think it was a big help for me to be a part of a pitching staff with so many good pitchers like Tim and Richie. Watching those guys for my first two years really helped me learn how to attack hitters and just be aggressive by throwing a lot of strikes. I was only able to see Richie throw about ten innings but he and Lincecum were both exciting to watch because they threw very hard and were dominating. I think one thing that those two and hopefully everyone who I have played with can learn from me is the value of hard work. By working hard I was able to fully develop my talent and go from not pitching to having a pretty big role on the team this year. I haven't been in contact with Richie yet since I've been in the organization, but I'm sure that I will see him at UW during the off-season.

SP: How was the draft experience for you this year? Did you have a good idea of where you'd be selected? Did you have a lot of contact with the Red Sox before the draft?

NH: The draft experience for me this year was both stressful and exciting. I knew that there was a very good chance that I would be drafted, but I wanted to improve my stock by performing well throughout the whole spring. Going into last fall and winter, no scouts really knew who I was, and I just wanted to make sure that every time I pitched that I had a good outing. Going into the draft I had a general range of picks where I thought that I was going to go, but there was nothing for sure, which made it very stressful just waiting for my name to pop up on the draft tracker. Before the draft I had a lot of contact with the Red Sox. I met the area scout John Booher around Christmas time and was in contact with him quite a bit until the draft.

SP: Comparing your past six pro outings to your first is like night and day. Were you feeling any jitters during your debut that led to that result, was it a matter of rust, or was it just coincidental?

NH: My first pro outing definitely didn't go the way that I wanted it to go, I didn't even make it through my two innings before getting pulled out - I was very disappointed with my performance. I was a little nervous, but it was just one of those days where they hit pretty much anything that I threw up there, and when I made mistakes I got hurt. Since then, I have just tried to forget about it and make adjustments to the way that I go after the hitters and what pitches I throw them in certain situations.

SP: What are your feelings on having your outings limited to 2 or 3 innings? Does it get frustrating at all?

NH: Being limited to 2 or 3 innings in my first season can be frustrating at times, but I know that it is being done for a good reason. I know that everyone in this organization knows what they are doing when it comes to developing players so I have just learned to trust them and do whatever they tell me to do.

SP: What's been the biggest adjustment you have faced going from college baseball to the professional ranks?

NH: The biggest adjustment that I have had to make from college to the pros is learning how to go after hitters. In college, our coach called all of the pitches so there was really no thinking involved. Now I have to be aware of the kinds of swings hitters are putting on certain pitches and their strengths and weaknesses so I can throw the right pitch. I have also started to throw more change-ups this summer. In college I relied on only my fastball and slide, but at this level you have to be able to throw a change-up too.

SP: Has the organization worked with you on developing certain pitches this year, or have they allowed you to just do your own thing so far?

NH: Yes, they have worked a great deal with me to develop my change-up. In college, I had four pitches that I threw. Mainly I would use my fastball and slider, but I also had a change-up and a split finger. When I got to Lowell, the pitching coach told me that my change-up has a lot of potential to be a good pitch and that I should just concentrate on developing it and to stop throwing a split. That was a huge help because now I only have to work on three pitches instead of four and I can devote more time to each one.

SP: We hear a lot from the scouts and we've had a chance to get to see you play, but we like to ask the prospects to give scouting reports on themselves. What velocities do you throw your pitches at? Do you like to use your slider or fastball as your out pitch? How is your change-up coming along? What's the one aspect of your game you think needs the most work?

NH: First of all, I like to throw a lot of fastballs. Doing that enables me to be aggressive and go after hitters and to also get ahead in the count. I feel like I have pretty good command of the pitch and it sits in the 92-93 mph range, topping out at 95. Right now, my slider is my best secondary pitch. I've been throwing it around 82-83 this summer and it has sharp downward bite. I use it as my out pitch to both lefties and righties, and I have the confidence to throw it for strikes when I am behind in the count. My change-up has been a big surprise for me this summer, I never really had to use it in the past but I have found out that the more I throw it the better it is getting - I keep on gaining confidence in it. I throw it at 80-81 mph and I have used it to effectively keep hitters off-balance so they can't just sit on my fastball. One of the main things that I try to do on the mound is to be the aggressor. I always want to be ahead in the count, and I like to challenge hitters.

SP: If it was up to you, do you prefer starting or coming out of the pen?

NH: Honestly, I don't have a real preference, each role has its benefits. Starting is good because there is a set routine and you know exactly when you are going to pitch so you can lift and run harder in between starts. It's also good because you get to throw more innings than a closer. One thing that I like about closing is the adrenaline rush that you get when you come into the ninth inning of a close game. Closing forces you to challenge everyone and the intensity and pressure of the situation make it more fun.

SP: If you had to pick one teammate at Lowell who has impressed you most this season, who would it be?

NH: I would say that Jose Capellan has impressed me the most this season in Lowell. Every start he seems to have a great outing and he always keeps the hitters of balance by mixing up his three pitches.

SP: What are your off-season baseball plans? Will you be pitching in the Fall Instructional League? Working on anything in particular?

NH: My off-season baseball plans are to basically improve as much as possible before I report to Spring Training. I plan on getting in even better shape, becoming stronger, and also more flexible. I want to make sure that I keep on getting better so I can make it to the big leagues. I will be pitching in instructional league this fall, and they have told me that I will be limited to throwing only my fastball and change-up. This will enable me to have three good pitches when I make my starts next year.

SP: What are your off-season non-baseball plans? What does Nick Hagadone like to do in his free time?

NH: My off-season non-baseball plans are to spend a lot of time with friends and family. I don't get to see them as often now because I am across the country for half the year so the time I get to spend at home is very valuable to me. It will be great to be able to see my girlfriend every day and to be able to see my parents whenever I want to. I live in Seattle in the off-season and it's only 45 minutes from my hometown of Sumner, so it's an easy trip.


Seems like a great kid with good character, a team leader, sounds almost like a lefty Papelbon. Not sure how is dancing is, however.

reason for edits: stupid formatting
alskor
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NH: My off-season baseball plans are to basically improve as much as possible before I report to Spring Training. I plan on getting in even better shape, becoming stronger, and also more flexible. I want to make sure that I keep on getting better so I can make it to the big leagues. I will be pitching in instructional league this fall, and they have told me that I will be limited to throwing only my fastball and change-up. This will enable me to have three good pitches when I make my starts next year.

That's pretty interesting. Breaking pitches do have a higher correlation to causing arm injuries. So letting him throw only fastballs and changes in instructional is a great way to

1) Limit wear and tear on his arm/shoulder
2) Get him work w/out overly stressing his arm; and
3) Get him to improve his fastball and change command... something the org. values highly, so that he can be a guy who pounds the strikezone.


This organization never ceases to amaze me with the creative solutions they find...
greg5286
I'm not sure who posted it, but someone recently found an article from SI that talked about their organizational theory that some pitches can be taught and some are just inherent in some players. Anyone know which was which? I want to say that they believed breaking pitches, either you have em or you don't (curves, sliders), and that a changeup could be taught, as well as a splitter. This would correlate well to Okajima's success this year and could also be one of the reasons that they're having Nick work on his FB/CU this offseason- they feel he already has a good slider and this will make his repitoire much better.

Also speaks to the part in his scouting report that if he can refine his changeup, he will be a starter, if not, he will be a reliever.

Call me crazy, but when I think of Hagadone, I see a hard throwing lefty coming out of the pen. What a dominating, cheap, and homegrown BP Paps/Oki/MDC/Hagadone/Hansen would be if they can all get it together.
Wester
I did some research on Hagadone, he was primarily a reliever in college, is that the plan for him in the majors? The rotation looks set in the 1-4 for the next five to ten years

Buchholz
Beckett
Matsuzaka
Lester
I'm assuming Masterson or perhaps Bowden.
Caspir
The rotation is set for the next five to ten years? So none of those pitchers will flame out (Bowden/Masterson, Buchholz/Lester/Matsuzaka to a lesser extent), or get injured, or traded, or leave vvia free agency (Beckett)? They won't be using Hagadone as a reliever based on what those pitchers are doing. They would be fools if they did.
Wester
QUOTE(Caspir @ Feb 21 2008, 03:42 PM) *
The rotation is set for the next five to ten years? So none of those pitchers will flame out (Bowden/Masterson, Buchholz/Lester/Matsuzaka to a lesser extent)


Bowden and Masterson are the only ones I'm worried about, provided nothing to out of the ordinary takes place.

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, or get injured, or traded, or leave vvia free agency (Beckett)?



The only ones that are in danger of injuries/trades are Masterson/Bowden, perhaps Lester. Also, don't be dumb, it's not like the Sox can't afford Beckett when his deal is up. Hell they were about to trade for Santana, I'm sure Beckett's contract will be less than Johan's.

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They won't be using Hagadone as a reliever based on what those pitchers are doing. They would be fools if they did.



So you'd rather see him as a starter who won't get starts?
Caspir
QUOTE(Wester @ Feb 21 2008, 06:27 PM) *
The only ones that are in danger of injuries/trades are Masterson/Bowden, perhaps Lester.


What on earth are you talking about? You are not to be taken seriously if you actually believe this. You have the audacity to use a throwaway line about being dumb, then make a statement like this? I didn't know that Buchholz, Matsuzaka, Beckett, and the other members of the staff were immune to injury, or that it would be "to (sic) out of the ordinary" for pitchers in their twenties to get injured. That sure is a relief. Dumb indeed.

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Also, don't be dumb, it's not like the Sox can't afford Beckett when his deal is up.


So the Red Sox will definitely keep Josh Beckett? Between this, your ten year ropck solid rotation, and your list of pitchers who can't get injured, you're a regular Nostradamus.

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So you'd rather see him as a starter who won't get starts?


Could you point to where I said that? As far as I know, having Hagadone pitch as a starter in the minor leagues has no direct effect on his ability to pitch from the bullpen in Boston should the need arise. Or were you unaware that there are actually pitching rotations in minor league baseball?

Edit- It's pretty clear that you're in over your head, and don't really know what you're talking about. Feel free to try again when you learn a few things. Until you demonstrate that ability, you'll be on the ignore list.
Wester
QUOTE(Caspir @ Feb 21 2008, 05:33 PM) *
What on earth are you talking about? You are not to be taken seriously if you actually believe this. You have the audacity to use a throwaway line about being dumb, then make a statement like this? I didn't know that Buchholz, Matsuzaka, Beckett, and the other members of the staff were immune to injury, or that it would be "to (sic) out of the ordinary" for pitchers in their twenties to get injured. That sure is a relief. Dumb indeed.


It looks like Beckett's blister problems are behind him, Matsuzaka looks like he'll be fine. That leaves Lester and Buchholz, what do you think the odds that one of them gets injured and can't pitch again? Mastesrson I can see getting hurt because he struggles with stamina but other than that I see no red flags for Buchholz and Lester, if one of them does get injured and can't pitch again then yes, Hagadone should be the guy.

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So the Red Sox will definitely keep Josh Beckett? Between this, your ten year ropck solid rotation, and your list of pitchers who can't get injured, you're a regular Nostradamus.


What the **** is a ropck? Why wouldn't the Sox keep Beckett? They can't afford him? He won't be good enough? I never said they couldn't get injured, I just don't think banking on it is a good idea.


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Could you point to where I said that? As far as I know, having Hagadone pitch as a starter in the minor leagues has no direct effect on his ability to pitch from the bullpen in Boston should the need arise. Or were you unaware that there are actually pitching rotations in minor league baseball?


I must have misread you, and yes I am very aware of MiLB. I actually am very good friends with a few MiLB GMs.


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Edit- It's pretty clear that you're in over your head, and don't really know what you're talking about. Feel free to try again when you learn a few things. Until you demonstrate that ability, you'll be on the ignore list.



Heaven forbid I say that a college closer with out an immediately foreseeable role in the rotation should stay in the pen.
Red Sox Fan2
QUOTE(Wester @ Feb 22 2008, 03:19 AM) *
It looks like Beckett's blister problems are behind him, Matsuzaka looks like he'll be fine.

Beckett was placed on the DL in 2007 because he was starting to develop a blister.

DiceK has thrown an alarming amount of IP during his tenure in Japan. Eventually, it might catch up with him.

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That leaves Lester and Buchholz, what do you think the odds that one of them gets injured and can't pitch again?


There has been worries about Buchholz not having enough muscle to last an entire MLB season. He packed on 10 pounds this off-season, but I think the concern is still there (same with Tim Lincecum).

I fear Lester wont be that good because of his command issues.

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Mastesrson I can see getting hurt because he struggles with stamina


The Sox could also want to put him back into the BP because he doesn't really have an out-pitch outside of his nasty sinker. It seems he's getting better with his secondary, but he still has to improve.

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but other than that I see no red flags for Buchholz and Lester, if one of them does get injured and can't pitch again then yes, Hagadone should be the guy.

There are red flags, to start, neither of them are proven.

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Why wouldn't the Sox keep Beckett?


Why wouldn't the Sox trade Coco/Lester/Hagadone/Lowrie for Johan Santana? Money.
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They can't afford him? He won't be good enough?


If he keeps pitching like his '07 stats, than he can become one of the highest paid pitchers in baseball. Let's not forget his resume is loaded with injuries and an ERA of 5.01 in 2006.

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I never said they couldn't get injured, I just don't think banking on it is a good idea.

Heaven forbid I say that a college closer with out an immediately foreseeable role in the rotation should stay in the pen.


Granted, the Sox still have Bowden as insurance, but even he is a projected number 3 starter and will need to spend the entire season in the minors proving he is worth taking a flier on. I can also see the Sox using him as trade bait to fill another hole. I don’t see too much downside for keeping Hagadone in the starters role, especially if he continues to dominate like he did in Lowell. Not only will it be good for him to work on his repertoire but he could even become a better prospect than Bowden/Masterson.
RedSoxAnni
Willie T. Smith III, Greenville News - Red Sox pitching prospect likes his new digs

Hagadone, who had a brief stint in Lowell after signing with the Red Sox last season, has not had a lot of professional experience. He compiled a 0-1 record with a 1.85 earned run average. He allowed five runs on 14 hits while striking out 33 in 24- innings.

Considering he was starting for the first time after being as a relief pitcher at the University of Washington, it was a good start.

"We here in Greenville are very excited about him," said Drive pitching coach Bob Kipper. "Of course the Boston Red Sox are very excited to have him. I think we're looking at a guy who brings above-average stuff with tremendous angle to the plate. There is not a whole lot not to like about Nick."

Hagadone is a big and strong pitcher who has a fast ball that has been clocked consistently at 92-93 miles per hour, but sometimes goes as fast as 96-98.

He also has a solid slider and change-up and had garnered a reputation for getting ahead in the count.


greg5286
So far this year pitching for the Greenville Drive:
2 Starts
1-1
0.00 ERA
7.2 IP
4 H
3 R
0 ER
4 BB
9 Ks
.138 Avg

Obviously you'd like to see the walks come down a bit, but SSS and everything else looks good. Glad to see the Sox using him as a starter to refine his pitches but hope it doesn't mess him up like it did Hansen...After that catastrophe they won't be rushing any relievers to Boston, but I could see Hagadone making an impact even next summer.

Anybody watched him that could give us some info?
alskor
QUOTE(greg5286 @ Apr 13 2008, 12:17 PM) *
So far this year pitching for the Greenville Drive:
2 Starts
1-1
0.00 ERA
7.2 IP
4 H
3 R
0 ER
4 BB
9 Ks
.138 Avg

Obviously you'd like to see the walks come down a bit, but SSS and everything else looks good. Glad to see the Sox using him as a starter to refine his pitches but hope it doesn't mess him up like it did Hansen...After that catastrophe they won't be rushing any relievers to Boston, but I could see Hagadone making an impact even next summer.

Anybody watched him that could give us some info?

I think theyre using him as a starter b/c they see him as a major league starter. Although he was a reliever in college he has three or four good pitches.

I also dont believe starting was what messed up Hansen...
greg5286
According to soxprospects.com, there are some unsubstantiated rumors out there from a few different sources that after leaving his start last week with "forearm tightness", Hagadone may be having the dreaded Tommy John surgery next week. If true, this would be really unfortunate. Let's all hope for the best.
Caspir
Tommy John is not dreaded at all. In fact, some young pitchers undergo the surgery voluntarily if they are deemed likely to suffer an arm injury. It sucks for this year, because the kid was looking like a stud, but he should be alright long term.
MrNewEngland
QUOTE(Caspir @ Apr 24 2008, 10:56 AM) *
Tommy John is not dreaded at all. In fact, some young pitchers undergo the surgery voluntarily if they are deemed likely to suffer an arm injury. It sucks for this year, because the kid was looking like a stud, but he should be alright long term.


Some guys come back throwing 2-3 MPH faster after fully recovering.
greg5286
QUOTE(Caspir @ Apr 24 2008, 10:56 AM) *
Tommy John is not dreaded at all. In fact, some young pitchers undergo the surgery voluntarily if they are deemed likely to suffer an arm injury. It sucks for this year, because the kid was looking like a stud, but he should be alright long term.


If he is having Tommy John, he will be out until this time next year at the soonest. He may come back throwing harder but any time a player misses a good chunk of time with an injury I consider it a negative thing. I've also read that breaking pitches can suffer some with this kind of operation- it took MDC a year after his to really start commanding his curveball. Chances are that in the long run he will be okay, and we're all hoping for the best, but Tommy John surgery still isn't a good thing, especially for someone with so much promise.

Good luck with the procedure, Nick, and we all wish you a speedy recovery and a healthy return to the mound asap.
Caspir
It's definitely not a good thing when a young player misses any significant amount of time with injury. Especially one who was rumored to be fast tracked to the majors, perhaps even helping with our bullpen this year. Still, TJ surgery isn't the worst thing that could happen. At least hi labrum i alright.
RedSoxAnni
Alex Speier, Union Leader - Sox Beat: Prize Sox prospect faces surgery


Left-hander Nick Hagadone, who was taken in the second round with the team's top selection in last year's draft, enjoyed a dominant start to his minor-league career. After getting touched for five runs in his pro debut, he reeled off 23 scoreless innings to finish his year at Single-A Lowell. He continued his run by going another 10 innings without permitting an earned run for Single-A Greenville this year.

Hagadone simply overmatched his competition. He struck out 45 in 34 1/3 minor-league innings and held opposing hitters to a .154 average. Yet that promising start came to an abrupt halt on April 16.

That day, Hagadone was cruising into the third inning for Greenville when he threw a career-changing changeup.

"I kind of pulled my front side out and put extra stress on my arm. I normally don't do that, but for some reason, on that pitch it happened," said Hagadone. "My arm kind of dragged through. It was left in kind of a compromised position, and I guess it was just too much.

"Up until then, my arm felt great. My stuff was better than it had ever been. Then, just one pitch, I heard a couple pops. After that, it hurt every time I threw. I had to take myself out of the game."

A visit to a doctor in Boston last week brought grim news. The ulnar collateral ligament of Hagadone's left elbow was 75 percent torn. Though the pitcher went to famed orthopedic surgeon Dr. James Andrews for a second opinion yesterday, the presumption heading into that visit was that Tommy John surgery would be unavoidable.

Hagadone expects to have the surgery sometime this week, after a foot infection clears. Though understandably disappointed by the likelihood that he won't be able to return to the mound in games until 2009, the pitcher still found some cause for reassurance.

"Ever since it happened, I've been looking the surgery up and looking up the guys who have had it," said Hagadone. "To see that guys like John Smoltz and Mariano Rivera have had the surgery gives me extra hope to know that it's possible to come back from the surgery and to become a dominant major-league pitcher. It's not a career-ending injury anymore."


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