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czar
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White Sox acquired SS Orlando Cabrera from Angels in exchange for RHP Jon Garland.
An odd trade, because the White Sox already re-signed Juan Uribe and the Angels don't have a clear replacement for Cabrera unless they think that Erick Aybar is ready. The White Sox pick up an excellent defender who batted .301/.345/.397 in 155 games for the Angels in 2007, giving them a huge upgrade over Uribe. A free agent after 2008, Cabrera will make $9 million in the final season of his contract. Uribe could slide to second base or fill a utility role, but another trade is possible.


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Angels acquired RHP Jon Garland from White Sox in exchange for SS Orlando Cabrera.
Rumors about Chicago shopping Garland have been around for years, but it's surprising to see the Angels give up such a big part of their team for a good pitcher who essentially becomes their No. 4 starter. It's possible that another trade is in the works involving an Angels starter. Garland went 10-13 with a 4.23 ERA in 208 1/3 innings for the White Sox in 2007 and figures to see his ERA improve with a move to a more pitcher-friendly home ballpark.


Per Rotoworld.
yazgoesbacklooksupitsgone
QUOTE(czar @ Nov 19 2007, 12:35 PM) *
Per Rotoworld.


it is an odd trade.
The angels are getting rid of a GG shortstop, their no. 3 hitter who batted .300, had 86 rbi and scored 100 runs, while getting a no. 3 - 4 pitcher coming off a bad year, taking on an extra $3 mil. in salary.
There's got to be more to the story than what's presented. I wonder why the Angels wanted him out of town. There was another tread months back speculating the back story to why Boston didn't want him back in '05. I wonder if the Angels had the same concerns.
D-Lowe
QUOTE(yazgoesbacklooksupitsgone @ Nov 20 2007, 11:47 AM) *
it is an odd trade.
The angels are getting rid of a GG shortstop, their no. 3 hitter who batted .300, had 86 rbi and scored 100 runs, while getting a no. 3 - 4 pitcher coming off a bad year, taking on an extra $3 mil. in salary.
There's got to be more to the story than what's presented. I wonder why the Angels wanted him out of town. There was another tread months back speculating the back story to why Boston didn't want him back in '05. I wonder if the Angels had the same concerns.

Well, take it for what it's worth, but the rumors reported on ESPN and Fox's websites are that the Angels want to trade for Miguel Cabrera and/or Tejada. If Tejada is true, makes sense shipping out Cabrera from an offensive standpoint.
jackson
QUOTE(D-Lowe @ Nov 20 2007, 10:38 AM) *
Well, take it for what it's worth, but the rumors reported on ESPN and Fox's websites are that the Angels want to trade for Miguel Cabrera and/or Tejada. If Tejada is true, makes sense shipping out Cabrera from an offensive standpoint.

an anemic offense doomed the angels in the playoffs, don't you think? red sox had a good view of it. didn't they hit reggie willits cleanup in one game? he's a slap hitter.
CTLovesTheSox
QUOTE(jackson @ Nov 20 2007, 11:03 AM) *
an anemic offense doomed the angels in the playoffs, don't you think? red sox had a good view of it. didn't they hit reggie willits cleanup in one game? he's a slap hitter.


Willits was put into the game for Garrett Anderson, who was hitting cleanup before leaving with an injury.
Curll
Maybe they just want to plug in Brandon Wood to boost their offense?
NU five oh
The OCab/Garland deal just got a new wrinkle. Much of the speculation regarding the cash that went to CWS (despite getting the cheaper of the two contracts) was that Chicago was clearing some payroll to try and make a run at Torii Hunter. Then Hunter is signed by LAA, the team taking on the cash in the first place. Should be an interesting LAA OF next year, with Anderson-Hunter-Guerrero in the OF, Willits off the bench and Matthews... DHing I guess? I feel there must be a deal coming to ease that glut, maybe Willits as part of a deal for a SS?
buffs4444
LF-Matthews
CF-Hunter
RF-Vlad
DH-Anderson
Juan Rivera or Willits likely to be dealt as a spare part in a deal for a 3b.......like Miguel Cabrera. Outstanding OF defense, outstanding IF defense (except for the blackhole they're trying to import for 3b). They're going to be a very tough team to play next year.
SuperManny
Gary Matthews had an OPS+ of 93 last year in CF. His .750 OPS isn't going to hold up in LF and they would probably be better off with Juan Rivera to be honest. I also don't see Rivera being a big piece of a deal for Cabrera. The Marlins always trade for prospects that they can control for 6 years, not 29 year old OFers coming off injury. Maybe as a throw in but the Marlins always trade for prospects.
rene144
I think the deal might be in place for Tejada, actually.
Jermaine Van Buren Fan
QUOTE(buffs4444 @ Nov 23 2007, 12:46 PM) *
LF-Matthews
CF-Hunter
RF-Vlad
DH-Anderson
Juan Rivera or Willits likely to be dealt as a spare part in a deal for a 3b.......like Miguel Cabrera. Outstanding OF defense, outstanding IF defense (except for the blackhole they're trying to import for 3b). They're going to be a very tough team to play next year.


No, they won't be. Matthews was an awful defender in CF, and can't hit for a LF. Hunter is an average defender now, and Vlad's range has heavily declined due to the nagging injuries. This signing didn't really make them better at all. They'll win that terrible division by default, but they've got a long way to go before they catch the Sox, Yanks, and Tribe. They still can't hit.
Lou Duffys Cliff
Rotoworld
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SNY is reporting that the Mets have acquired Brian Schneider and Ryan Church from the Nationals for Lastings Milledge.

Interesting. I thought the Mets were going to use Milledge as a chip for Haren.
Manny's ps2
-Percival to the Rays
-Rogers to the Tigers

Two done deals, apparently - getting this from mlbtraderumors.com
heinie manush
QUOTE(Lou Duffys Cliff @ Nov 30 2007, 01:08 PM) *
Rotoworld

Interesting. I thought the Mets were going to use Milledge as a chip for Haren.



Wow, the Mets got hosed here. Milledge is a 22 y/o with pretty good upside. Yes, he's had problems but you don't trade him for an over 30 catcher and a 29 y/o backup outfielder. Someone in the Mets organization really hates Milledge.
Red Sox Fan2
QUOTE(heinie manush @ Nov 30 2007, 01:26 PM) *
Wow, the Mets got hosed here. Milledge is a 22 y/o with pretty good upside. Yes, he's had problems but you don't trade him for an over 30 catcher and a 29 y/o backup outfielder. Someone in the Mets organization really hates Milledge.


I wonder why the Red Sox (or any other team) didn't try and top that offer. I really like this kid, bad move for the Mets IMHO.
Ralpho316
What could the Red Sox have given the Mets? They needed a catcher, they werent taking Mirabelli and Hinske?

Yikes.
Red Sox Fan2
QUOTE(Ralpho316 @ Nov 30 2007, 03:58 PM) *
What could the Red Sox have given the Mets? They needed a catcher, they werent taking Mirabelli and Hinske?

Yikes.


George Kottaras, Brandon Moss, + cash?
Jack Hayden
QUOTE(Red Sox Fan2 @ Nov 30 2007, 05:01 PM) *
George Kottaras, Brandon Moss, + cash?



Kotteras and Moss > than the dreck that the Mets got. I don't really want Milledge on the Sox anyway. He would be a tough guy to root for.
Ralpho316
Mets are trying to win now, not break in a catcher that didnt have a great year in AAA and has never been in the majors.
Red Sox Fan2
QUOTE(Ralpho316 @ Nov 30 2007, 04:35 PM) *
Mets are trying to win now, not break in a catcher that didnt have a great year in AAA and has never been in the majors.


So instead they went with a guy who just sucks? Last year he hit AVG .235 | HR 6 | RBI 54 | OBP .326 | SLG .336 in 408 PA.

One of his strengths is throwing out runners but the last two years his numbers have fallen to .301 and .312 (for his career he is at .391).

He also makes 3.5mil while Kots would have been cost controlled for the next 6 years.
Ralpho316
I am not saying it was a smart move, but going after Kottaras would have been sillier.
Red Sox Fan2
QUOTE(Ralpho316 @ Nov 30 2007, 06:52 PM) *
I am not saying it was a smart move, but going after Kottaras would have been sillier.


I would hope Kottaras can put up a line better than that. Getting a bat as poor Schneider's doesn't really help anything other than filling a hole with a name. When you mix in the fact Kottaras should be better for longer and the fact he is cost-controlled for the next 6 years, I think that makes it a better deal. Is Schneider even going to give them a WARP of 1?
The Love Below
The ESPN.com blog is reporting that a package of Cliff Lee and Kelly Shoppach might net Jason Bay.

Seriously, a backup catcher and a guy who only put together one good season are enough to land Bay? I'm shocked that more teams in need of OF help aren't in on this.

Elijah Dukes was traded to the Nats for a PTBNL. Looks like they're stocking up for a future OF of Pena, Milledge, and Dukes.



I reserve the right to not post a link because I am lazy.
Cambridge
QUOTE(The Love Below @ Dec 3 2007, 05:02 PM) *
The ESPN.com blog is reporting that a package of Cliff Lee and Kelly Shoppach might net Jason Bay.


That does seem interesting, if it is indeed being seriously discussed. It definitely speaks to the value of catchers, of whom there seem to fewer and fewer good ones anymore. Shoppach could certainly be one of the better catchers in the NL if given a chance to play everyday. With the Pirates new GM having come over from Cleveland in September, he certainly knows what he would be getting.
chicowalker
QUOTE(The Love Below @ Dec 3 2007, 02:02 PM) *
...Looks like they're stocking up for a future OF of Pena, Milledge, and Dukes....


Will that before or after Dukes serves his prison time? wink.gif
The Mad Hatter
QUOTE(The Love Below @ Dec 3 2007, 05:02 PM) *
The ESPN.com blog is reporting that a package of Cliff Lee and Kelly Shoppach might net Jason Bay.

Seriously, a backup catcher and a guy who only put together one good season are enough to land Bay? I'm shocked that more teams in need of OF help aren't in on this.


Yeah, and most Cleveland fans don't sound like they like that deal at all. I'd do that trade in a second if I were the Indians.
NJSoxFan
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MLB.com is reporting that the Tigers are set to acquire Miguel Cabrera and Dontrelle Willis from the Marlins for Cameron Maybin, Andrew Miller and four more prospects.


Wow.
TreeRol
QUOTE(NJSoxFan @ Dec 4 2007, 06:05 PM) *
Wow.


Confirmed by Gammons on ESPN.
Curll
I wonder what 4 prospects
czar
QUOTE(Curll @ Dec 4 2007, 06:22 PM) *
I wonder what 4 prospects


Rotoworld:

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In addition to Cameron Maybin, Andrew Miller and Mike Rabelo, the Marlins will get three right-handers in the Miguel Cabrera-Dontrelle Willis trade: Dallas Trahern, Eulogio De La Cruz and Burke Badenhop.
Excluding Rick Porcello, who was ineligible to be traded, Trahern and De La Cruz were the Tigers' top remaining pitching prospects. Trahern is a future middle-of-the-rotation starter, while De La Cruz profiles as a setup man or maybe a closer. Badenhop, like Trahern, is a sinkerballer with a modest strikeout rate. He has a chance to stick as a starter, but he's not quite as good of a bet.
Axis Blunts
Looks like the Tigers would send outfielder Cameron Maybin, pitcher Andrew Miller, catcher Mike Rabelo and three other minor league pitchers down to the Marlins.

Also mentions that the deal won't be "officially announced" until later tonight.
chicowalker
OT: Why was Porcello ineligible to be traded?
Kid T
QUOTE(chicowalker @ Dec 4 2007, 07:19 PM) *
OT: Why was Porcello ineligible to be traded?


I believe there's a rule prohibiting players from being traded within one year of being drafted - which is why the PTBNL is so often involved.
czar
Interesting tidbit from Amy Nelson at ESPN.

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Since news broke of the Marlins-Tigers blockbuster, Detroit left-hander Andrew Miller has not heard a word from anyone in the Tigers' organization. One of Miller's agents ran into Jim Leyland in the hotel lobby Tuesday night, and Leyland told him the deal wasn't anywhere close to getting done. What is unclear is whether any of the eight players involved have to physically be examined, which is why the trade could be held up. So far, Miller and his agents have not been told anything. Word is that the deal might not be completed until after the winter meetings -- unless there are other factors preventing it from getting done.

Miller, in fact, is working out at the Tigers' spring training complex in Lakeland, Fla. He met with the trainers this morning, had his sore left knee worked on, and is now out playing golf with some of his teammates. Late in the season, Miller had an MRI on his left knee, where it turned out there was some mild cartilage damage. He's been rehabbing it ever since. Since he's officially still a Tiger, he wasn't denied treatment.


It sucks when you find out you've been traded from ESPN. It REALLY sucks when it's essentially a foregone conclusion and your baseball people keep denying it.
LargerMass
Tejada to the Astros per ESPN.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3151849
LargerMass
Twins sign SS Adam Everett to one year deal after he was non-tendered by the Astros.

http://nc.startribune.com/blogs/christensen/?p=447
Pozos Stick
The Associated Press reports that the Twins have signed Livan Hernández to a one-year, $5 million deal.
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