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foultip


"I want to state clearly and without qualification: I did not take steroids, human growth hormone or any other banned substances at any time in my baseball career or, in fact, my entire life. Those substances represent a dangerous and destructive shortcut that no athlete should ever take.



"I am disappointed that my 25 years in public life have apparently not earned me the benefit of the doubt, but I understand that Senator Mitchell's report has raised many serious questions. I plan to publicly answer all of those questions at the appropriate time in the appropriate way. I only ask that in the meantime people not rush to judgment.''

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3160063


In poker that is called "ALL IN"





nhyankeefan
That's a dangerous game Clemens is playing there. If he's not telling the truth he'll come off looking worse than ever and I expect it would cost him any chance he has at the HOF. Even before Mitchell's report came out I thought he took steroids so I'll be shocked if he's telling the truth.

foultip
QUOTE(nhyankeefan @ Dec 18 2007, 04:22 PM) *
That's a dangerous game Clemens is playing there. If he's not telling the truth he'll come off looking worse than ever and I expect it would cost him any chance he has at the HOF. Even before Mitchell's report came out I thought he took steroids so I'll be shocked if he's telling the truth.


I agree...no wiggle room now.
jackson
wait until congressional hearings convene again and pettitte gets called to testify. what does he say about clemens?
MrNewEngland
QUOTE(jackson @ Dec 18 2007, 04:25 PM) *
wait until congressional hearings convene again and pettitte gets called to testify. what does he say about clemens?


Hopefully he tells him to capitalize at the beginning of every sentence.
jackson
QUOTE(MrNewEngland @ Dec 18 2007, 04:31 PM) *
Hopefully he tells him to capitalize at the beginning of every sentence.

I've been trying ... but e.e. cummings has still got a grip on me.
foultip
I have heard this "I never used steroids period" before

Can somebody in Washington send Roger a subpoena please?
teddykgb
Clemens seems like the kind of guy who would lie under oath anyway, how could they possibly convict him of perjury unless there's far more evidence that hasn't yet been uncovered? He'd likely just deny it under oath, as he just did not under oath.
rpry17a
Why doesn't Clemens stare into a camera and say it himself? The statement is nice, but why have it issued through a spokesperson?
BronxByTheBay
I don't believe Clemens, but he must know something that the rest of us don't in order to make these declarations. Perhaps he knows every last ounce of dirt anyone can dig up on him and knows they don't lead to definitive proof that he juiced.

Of course, he can always just insist he's never tested positive and that's that.
VoteRiceIn
QUOTE(teddykgb @ Dec 18 2007, 04:48 PM) *
Clemens seems like the kind of guy who would lie under oath anyway, how could they possibly convict him of perjury unless there's far more evidence that hasn't yet been uncovered?



Of course there's far more evidence that can be uncovered.
Remember that the Mitchell Report didn't have the right to phone records, to bank statments, to suphania & question folks under oath & so on. Congress has a big ego & if Clemens is subpoenaed is they suspect he committs perjury I have little doubt they'll go after said evidence.


millar goes yard
QUOTE(foultip @ Dec 18 2007, 04:36 PM) *
I have heard this "I never used steroids period" before

Can somebody in Washington send Roger a subpoena please?


By the way, slightly off topic question here. If Rafael Palmeiro said this before Congress, and I assume he was under oath... why are perjury charges not being brought against him?
The Ghost of Ned Martin
QUOTE(BronxByTheBay @ Dec 18 2007, 05:03 PM) *
I don't believe Clemens, but he must know something that the rest of us don't in order to make these declarations. Perhaps he knows every last ounce of dirt anyone can dig up on him and knows they don't lead to definitive proof that he juiced.


He's got nothing to lose, really. His first shot was the charge that he was being slandered. Now he follows that up with this public declaration of innocence. He is trying to sway public opinion and, even more importantly, the HoF voters, in order to get his sorry fat ass into the Hall.

Think about it. There is pretty good chance that he doesn't get in based on the Mitchell Report. If his vociferous denials can short circuit some of the negative vibes surrounding him then maybe, barring further revelations, he makes it in. On the other hand, if more detailed and corroborated information about his PED usage leaks, then he won't get in regardless of what he does or does not say now.
VoteRiceIn
QUOTE(millar goes yard @ Dec 18 2007, 05:13 PM) *
By the way, slightly off topic question here. If Rafael Palmeiro said this before Congress, and I assume he was under oath... why are perjury charges not being brought against him?





"We couldn't find any evidence of steroid use prior to his testimony," Chairman Tom Davis, R-Va., said in releasing a 44-page report. "That's not a finding of innocence, but it's a finding that we could not substantiate perjury."...

Davis said the steroid for which Palmeiro tested positive is detectable for three to four weeks, shorter than the gap between his failed test and Capitol Hill appearance, and therefore "could not have been in his system the day he testified."

ESPN article 11/11/05
Sox Sweep Again
He should have added: "My head? It's always been this size".



"And I challenge anyone to find evidence of any roid-rage, too, mother****as."


BronxByTheBay
Oh come on. Who hasn't wanted to throw a bat at Mike Piazza?
Sox Sweep Again
QUOTE(BronxByTheBay @ Dec 18 2007, 06:11 PM) *
Oh come on. Who hasn't wanted to throw a bat at Mike Piazza?


I like Mike Piazza. I met him when he was a minor leaguer.

(Old story for old RSN posters).

Anyhoo, in the early 90's (like 90-91) I was a kid waiting tables in Florida. Tommy LaSorda's brother used to come to the restaurant and would sometimes bring players in with him. ("Antonio's Mama Rosa Restaurant" in Delray Beach). One night, he came in with Rudy Seanez, Piazza, and some guy I don't remember. Piazza gave me fantasy baseball ("Rotisserie" then) tips. Told me to draft himself and Rudy for a buck.

So I did. A year later, he came in with LaSorda again and a couple guys I can't remember. He asks me "Aren't you the waiter I gave some tips to last year for Rotisserie?"

I said yeah. Then he asked if I brought him up on the roster when he came up for the Dodgers. I said yeah.

Well, he hit a homer for the Dodgers while he had his cup of coffee that season. He told me that when he was rounding the bases he wondered if "That waiter from West Palm Beach" had brought him up on his Rotisserie roster. I told him I had.

He went on to a pretty big career- that's my brush with greatness (I also met his Dad).
CTYankeefan
Roger has put himself in a postion where he has to prove his innocence (which was made much harder by Andy's confession). He has now stated twice, with no equivocation, that he is innocent. If he is that adament, either sue someone or take a lie detector test.
StuckInChiTown
QUOTE(millar goes yard @ Dec 18 2007, 04:13 PM) *
By the way, slightly off topic question here. If Rafael Palmeiro said this before Congress, and I assume he was under oath... why are perjury charges not being brought against him?
I believe Palmeiro tested positive after his statements to Congress.
QUOTE(CTYankeefan @ Dec 19 2007, 06:40 AM) *
Roger has put himself in a postion where he has to prove his innocence (which was made much harder by Andy's confession). He has now stated twice, with no equivocation, that he is innocent. If he is that adament, either sue someone or take a lie detector test.
How has he done that? If he does sue, then he would do as you claimed and put the burden of proff on himself. Which is why he likely won't sue.
CTYankeefan
QUOTE(StuckInChiTown @ Dec 19 2007, 08:31 AM) *
I believe Palmeiro tested positive after his statements to Congress.How has he done that? If he does sue, then he would do as you claimed and put the burden of proff on himself. Which is why he likely won't sue.


Which is exactly what he will do since he is most likely guilty. I'm saying if he is innocent as he claims. Saying he's innocent means nothing, and saying it again doesn't do a thing. If he is innocent, then he needs to do more than jump up and down yelling "I'm not guilty, I'm not guilty". If he is innocent, then he needs to do more. If he really is guilty he'll do nothing. If he is guilty, then don't say anything.
Manny's ps2
Well, as a 37 year old man, if you look at a pic of me when I was 23, you'd think I've eaten that fella. My head/body is different, bigger, and I'm far less likely to leap tall buildings in a single bound.

I don't and have never believed the "look at pics of him when he was a rookie"...People's bodies change drastically sometimes. That said, if there is any more evidence or witnesses that come forward, Rocket and Bonds might as well move in together and start a reality show. Yes, I'd watch every episode.
rodimusprime
Well if he says he didn't do it. I guess "innocent until proven guilty" applies.

MrNewEngland
QUOTE(rodimusprime @ Dec 19 2007, 10:08 AM) *
Well if he says he didn't do it. I guess "innocent until proven guilty" applies.


Not to Rogah. I think he should be tortured until he admits to everything (including his part in the Kennedy assasination).
Mike's Dogs
QUOTE(MrNewEngland @ Dec 19 2007, 10:12 AM) *
Not to Rogah. I think he should be tortured until he admits to everything (including his part in the Kennedy assasination).


Torture by belly-button shots.

bigbilly
Interesting take by Jon Heyman today that Dan Duquette looks like a winner in the whole "Clemens is a cheat" soap opera:

QUOTE
Duquette. He's been fielding calls of congratulations ever since the release of the report, which goes a long way toward explaining how Clemens extended the "twilight of his career,'' by, oh, a decade or so. Duquette, who despite a largely successful tenure as Red Sox GM, has been ridiculed hundreds of times for predicting Clemens was nearing the end. Since leaving the Red Sox in 2002, he has never offered another GM job and is currently working as the director of operations for the Israel Baseball League and president of the Duquette Sports Academy. Yet, he won't gloat. Prodded as to whether he's been vindicated, Duquette said, "I'm not sure what I need to be vindicated for ... Red Sox fans are very sophisticated, and you can leave that judgment to them.'' He did get a chuckle when I asked him whether he himself was in the twilight of his own career. Laughing, the 49-year-old responded, "No, I'm still a young guy.''
ghostoffoxx
Sweet Baby Jesus if one more person states that Duquette said that Clemens was in the twilight of his career, I’m going to punch them in the baby maker. This is the entire quote:

QUOTE
The Red Sox and our fans were fortunate to see Roger Clemens play in his prime and we had hoped to keep him in Boston during the twilight of his career.


What he was saying that he hoped that Clemens would stay here until the twilight of his career not that he was in it.
millar goes yard
QUOTE(ghostoffoxx @ Dec 19 2007, 02:51 PM) *
Sweet Baby Jesus if one more person states that Duquette said that Clemens was in the twilight of his career, I’m going to punch them in the baby maker. This is the entire quote:
What he was saying that he hoped that Clemens would stay here until the twilight of his career not that he was in it.

I agree that those four words ("twilight of his career") are often isolated and thus taken out of context, however, Duquette did say "we had hoped to keep him in Boston during the twilight of his career" rather than "until the twilight of his career." I would infer that Duquette was talking about the near feature, and opining that Clemens was, well... "on the back nine", as they say. And arguably he was right, since it appears likely that Roger had a little "help" lengthening his career.
ghostoffoxx
QUOTE(millar goes yard @ Dec 19 2007, 04:07 PM) *
I agree that those four words ("twilight of his career") are often isolated and thus taken out of context, however, Duquette did say "we had hoped to keep him in Boston during the twilight of his career" rather than "until the twilight of his career." I would infer that Duquette was talking about the near feature, and opining that Clemens was, well... "on the back nine", as they say. And arguably he was right, since it appears likely that Roger had a little "help" lengthening his career.

That’s a fair point. I disagree on the semantics as you present them, but I can certainly see your point. I mostly want to smack the people who misquote(d) what Duquette said by taking it out of context and killed him for it in the past, but are now lauding his statement.
bigbilly
QUOTE(ghostoffoxx @ Dec 19 2007, 04:28 PM) *
That’s a fair point. I disagree on the semantics as you present them, but I can certainly see your point. I mostly want to smack the people who misquote(d) what Duquette said by taking it out of context and killed him for it in the past, but are now lauding his statement.


Maybe you can call him like Heyman did and get a list of the people calling him to congratulate him for his "vindication". It's likely Heyman himself is one of those people...
WesternCorrespondent
QUOTE(Manny's ps2 @ Dec 19 2007, 06:24 AM) *
Well, as a 37 year old man, if you look at a pic of me when I was 23, you'd think I've eaten that fella. My head/body is different, bigger, and I'm far less likely to leap tall buildings in a single bound.

I don't and have never believed the "look at pics of him when he was a rookie"...People's bodies change drastically sometimes. That said, if there is any more evidence or witnesses that come forward, Rocket and Bonds might as well move in together and start a reality show. Yes, I'd watch every episode.

You probably ain't seen nuthin' yet! Some of you guys joking about "Fat Billy" made me think of this future image:

I don't think he'll maintain the same kind of workouts he's been doing the past few seasons. Even if he exercises once in a while with Debbie, I'm thinking he's going to balloon up to about 350 lbs within a couple of years. Clemens may go into some sort of seclusion while the storm of Mitchell Report findings swirl around him, perhaps lasting the 5 years it'll take for him to be eligible for HOF voting. One hopes he has the sense to get a good tailor to custom cut a "slimming" suit, just in case he has to give a speech....
WesternCorrespondent
There's an article by Mark Feinsand in the NY Daily News headlined, "Joba Chamberlain says Roger Clemens' work ethic is legitimate".

Excerpt:
QUOTE
Joba Chamberlain had the locker next to Roger Clemens during his two months in the majors this year. On Thursday, Chamberlain stood by the Rocket's side when asked about the allegations made against the legendary pitcher in the Mitchell Report.


How misleading is THAT?

For the past 2 years (although May 1 2006 was the earliest he could resign with the Astros anyway), Roger Clemens has delayed his debut for either the Astros or the Yankees until the second or third week in June. My understanding is that the MLB PED testing, such as it is, is done early in the season, and if recent reports are true, the players are told in advance when the testing is going to be done.

So, sure, what Joba actually saw of Roger and his workout routine in Roger's 3-1/2 months of Yankee service in 2007 is doubtless legitimate, because, as it's been stated here before, people who use steroids actually WANT to work out more, and if they don't the steroids wouldn't have the desired effect.

It's what might have/probably happened when Roger started working out to prepare for officially reporting to the Yankees on June 9th, 2007 that would be more enlightening than this rookie opinion about the Legend.

WesternCorrespondent
on ESPN's MLB front page, ESPNews Headline: Clemens 'almost numb' about (or "to", depending on which headline you find) steroid accusations


Roger really DOES speak, here on his official website! And ESPN has picked it up and posted it in print here.

Excerpt from Roger's statement today:
QUOTE
"Over the last 15 days, it's been extremely difficult, for my family, my children, my extended family," Clemens said. "I'm holding up better than they are. I'm almost numb to some of these suggestions that I used steroids. It's amazing to me that I'm going to lengths that I'm going to have to defend myself.

"It's surfaced again later now with this Mitchell report. Let me be clear: The answer is no, I did not use steroids, human growth hormone, and I've never done so. I did not provide Brian McNamee with any drugs to inject into my body. Brian McNamee did not inject steroids or human growth hormone into my body, either when I played in Toronto for the Blue Jays, or the New York Yankees. This report is simply not true."


The video statement from Roger found on either on YouTube.com or his website linked above -- while seemingly as sincere as anyone could wish for -- has a gaping hole in it. As referenced above, Roger mentions specifically that Brian McNamee was not the injector and Roger the injectee, and further, specifically references any such occurrence while he "played in Toronto for the Blue Jays, or the Yankees."

Technically all that is probably correct, as far as it goes. However -- first, I hope someone asks Debbie if she had a role in Roger's post-Boston resurgence, like being Roger's needle-handler. Second, in the statement referenced above, Roger is leaving out all the offseason months, and the additional 2-1/2 to 3 months "grace" into his 2005 and 2007 seasons, and his ENTIRE Houston Astro career.

I hope Mike Wallace asks the "tough" questions. I'm glad it isn't Barbara Walters who's doing the 60 Minutes interview...
Sox Sweep Again
QUOTE(WesternCorrespondent @ Dec 23 2007, 11:14 AM) *
on ESPN's MLB front page, ESPNews Headline: Clemens 'almost numb' about (or "to", depending on which headline you find) steroid accusations
Roger really DOES speak, here on his official website! And ESPN has picked it up and posted it in print here.

Excerpt from Roger's statement today:


The video statement from Roger found on either on YouTube.com or his website linked above -- while seemingly as sincere as anyone could wish for -- has a gaping hole in it. As referenced above, Roger mentions specifically that Brian McNamee was not the injector and Roger the injectee, and further, specifically references any such occurrence while he "played in Toronto for the Blue Jays, or the Yankees."

Technically all that is probably correct, as far as it goes. However -- first, I hope someone asks Debbie if she had a role in Roger's post-Boston resurgence, like being Roger's needle-handler. Second, in the statement referenced above, Roger is leaving out all the offseason months, and the additional 2-1/2 to 3 months "grace" into his 2005 and 2007 seasons, and his ENTIRE Houston Astro career.

I hope Mike Wallace asks the "tough" questions. I'm glad it isn't Barbara Walters who's doing the 60 Minutes interview...


Basically, Clemens is going on "60 Minutes" to:

1) Show us all how stupid he thinks we are, and-
2) Lie, lie, lie and lie some more.

Roger: Give it up; you're nailed.
Red Sox Fan2
I hope they ask if he is willing to take a lie detecting test.
BronxByTheBay
QUOTE(Red Sox Fan2 @ Dec 23 2007, 01:39 PM) *
I hope they ask if he is willing to take a lie detecting test.


If he were telling the truth, it would still be pretty stupid to take a lie detector test.
Red Sox Fan2
QUOTE(BronxByTheBay @ Dec 23 2007, 07:38 PM) *
If he were telling the truth, it would still be pretty stupid to take a lie detector test.


Why?
BronxByTheBay
QUOTE(Red Sox Fan2 @ Dec 23 2007, 06:38 PM) *
Why?


I wouldn't trust my reputation on something like that. Too unreliable.

What Clemens is going to do is charge people to prove he was using. He's going to demand evidence. He's going to play this like an attorney in a court of law - never ask a question you don't already know the answer to.
scapegoat mo
http://boston.redsox.mlb.com/news/article....sp&c_id=mlb

emphasis added.

--------------------
Asked why Clemens waited so long to address the issues, Hardin absorbed the blame, stating he wanted to make sure he had all of the facts straight before facing public scrutiny. He also wanted to make sure that he personally believed Clemens' denials.

"It was the natural caution of lawyers who want to make sure they're aware of the facts before they start speaking publicly," Hardin said.

"If Roger stepped in front of the cameras that first day and said, 'I didn't do it,' without us later being able to give you some reasons as to why you should believe that, I think it would have been rejected," he continued. "That was my judgment at the time. People were, and are, so emotional about this that they weren't willing to listen.

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Sure, whatever you say man.

WesternCorrespondent
QUOTE(BronxByTheBay @ Dec 23 2007, 07:27 PM) *
I wouldn't trust my reputation on something like that. Too unreliable. What Clemens is going to do is charge people to prove he was using. He's going to demand evidence. He's going to play this like an attorney in a court of law - never ask a question you don't already know the answer to.

In that case, if I were putting forth the questions Mike Wallace should be asking Roger on the 60 Minutes interview, I'd ask:
QUOTE
1) Explain your career surges coinciding with your career path crossing that of known/confessed steroid user and facilitator Jose Canseco -- teammates as a Red Sox, particularly in the latter half of 1996; a Blue Jay in 1998; and a Yankee in 2000.
2) Relate in detail the conversation, as referred to in the Mitchell Report, that you had with Jose Canseco between June 8th and June 10th, 1998 at a luncheon party at his home in Miami during a Blue Jays road trip to play the Florida Marlins.
3) The first time McNamee worked for the Yankees, assistant GM Tim McCleary hired him. McNamee lost his job with the Yankees when Joe Torre was hired as manager. Tim McCleary was hired by the Blue Jays in 1995, and McNamee followed him in 1998. Please tell us whether or not you (as the Mitchell report put it) "persuaded" the Yankees to re-hire McNamee in 2000, and what services McNamee performed for you for which you separately paid him.
4) You've stated that McNamee did not inject you with PEDs (or more specifically, HGH or steroids) "either when [you] played in Toronto for the Blue Jays, or the New York Yankees", and that you "did not use" steroids or HGH. Can you state further, unequivocally, that NO ONE including teammates, club attendants, other trainers, yourself or any member of your family has ever injected you with either anabolic steroids or HGH at any time in the past 10 years?
5) Why did you refuse to meet with George Mitchell when he invited you, as reported in the Mitchell Report, "to provide [you] with information about these allegations and to give [you] an opportunity to respond"?

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QUOTE(scapegoat mo @ Dec 24 2007, 12:13 PM) *
http://boston.redsox.mlb.com/news/article....sp&c_id=mlb
Asked why Clemens waited so long to address the issues, Hardin absorbed the blame, stating he wanted to make sure he had all of the facts straight before facing public scrutiny. He also wanted to make sure that he personally believed Clemens' denials. "It was the natural caution of lawyers who want to make sure they're aware of the facts before they start speaking publicly," Hardin said."If Roger stepped in front of the cameras that first day and said, 'I didn't do it,' without us later being able to give you some reasons as to why you should believe that, I think it would have been rejected," he continued. "That was my judgment at the time. People were, and are, so emotional about this that they weren't willing to listen.

What "facts"? Doesn't Hardin mean "story" instead of "facts"? Roger hasn't stated any "facts", just a rather hole-y denial of certain portions and timeframes of the scenarios laid out in the Mitchell Report in his website video, as well as 180-degree reversing his public opinion of Bruce McNamee within the space of a few months, in the statement first issued by Hardin.

In case anyone's unsure about where I stand on whether or not Roger is a PED user, I've believed he's used PEDs at least since his extended off-season and late training in 2005 when he returned to the Astros. I merely SUSPECTED him of PED use before that.
scapegoat mo
QUOTE(WesternCorrespondent @ Dec 24 2007, 02:54 PM) *
What "facts"? Doesn't Hardin mean "story" instead of "facts"? Roger hasn't stated any "facts", just a rather hole-y denial of certain portions and timeframes of the scenarios laid out in the Mitchell Report in his website video, as well as 180-degree reversing his public opinion of Bruce McNamee within the space of a few months, in the statement first issued by Hardin.


I highlighted the portion I did because I found it to be about as fishy as you point out in your analysis.
WesternCorrespondent
I'm such a busy little bee, Googling key figures in this topic...Since Roger invoked the name of Mike Wallace in his YouTube/website video, I looked up to see how active Mike Wallace has been on 60 Minutes. Not so much, apparently. "He announced his intention to become a correspondent emeritus, effective at the end of the 2005-06 season -- his 38th on the broadcast. In his new role, he no longer appears regularly on 60 Minutes, but occasionally contributes to the news magazine and all CBS News broadcasts with news-making interviews."

So this is a special event. I wonder if Roger asked for Mike Wallace specifically (I would have enjoyed a special interview by Andy Rooney, even though he's known for his essays).

I got a kick out of one Q/A in this Boston Globe article from 2005 when Mike Wallace was interviewed, returning to his Brookline MA roots.

QUOTE
Q. President George W. Bush has declined to be interviewed by you. What would you ask him if you had the chance?A. What in the world prepared you to be the commander in chief of the largest superpower in the world? In your background, Mr. President, you apparently were incurious. You didn't want to travel. You knew very little about the military. . . . The governor of Texas doesn't have the kind of power that some governors have. . . . Why do you think they nominated you? . . . Do you think that has anything to do with the fact that the country is so [expletive] up?


Maybe, even at 89, he can ask questions like that of Roger -- so long as he isn't a closet devoted Clemens fan who wouldn't want to derail Roger's HOF goal.

QUOTE(scapegoat mo @ Dec 24 2007, 02:33 PM) *
I highlighted the portion I did because I found it to be about as fishy as you point out in your analysis.


Right-o. (I just got a little more excited over the fishy lawyer-speak)
retire25
QUOTE(BronxByTheBay @ Dec 23 2007, 07:38 PM) *
If he were telling the truth, it would still be pretty stupid to take a lie detector test.

I agree with you on this. But if he's telling the truth, he should publicly demand a Congressional subpoena and go to D.C. to testify under oath that he did not have an injecting relationship with that woman, Miss Steroids.

If he did that, it might sway some people into believing McNamee is lying.
WesternCorrespondent
In between kitchen stints cooking for our Christmas Eve dinner, I keep finding interesting stuff that seems to indicate Roger has dug himself a pretty deep hole.

QUOTE(retire25 @ Dec 24 2007, 05:37 PM) *
I agree with you on this. But if he's telling the truth, he should publicly demand a Congressional subpoena and go to D.C. to testify under oath that he did not have an injecting relationship with that woman, Miss Steroids. If he did that, it might sway some people into believing McNamee is lying.

I just wonder if Roger has the balls to do that, after reading this excerpt from a Q&A the day the Mitchell Report was released, by the Houston Chronicle with Clemens' lawyer Rusty Hardin:

QUOTE
On whether he has advised Clemens to take legal action (lawsuit) to combat the claims:
``I hope you don't tell future clients of mine this, but a lawsuit is the least desirable way to resolve anything. It drags on two or three years, Very often it reaches inconclusive results because of money and time and expenses. It makes you unable to concentrate on anything else. It takes over your life, and he doesn't need that.
``He's 99.9 and 9/10s percent retired and he's going to move on. His concern is, when he moves on, how does he repair his reputation after this initial flurry? And a lawsuit right now wouldn't do it.''


also,

QUOTE
On any concern that there is evidence against Clemens:
``I know there is no evidence out there.''


I can see him asking Roger, "OK, did you get 'shot' in a toilet stall, or in the shower? (A toilet stall, talk about crowded, man!) Did you take the syringes and needles with you and put them in a dumpster at the mall, or just throw them away in the clubhouse? (Hey, I learned from the best, in '98. Ya think I'm stoopid?) Did you eventually learn to inject yourself, or is someone other than Brian McNamee out there? (Um, a wife can't testify against her husband, can she?)"

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Sorry if I'm starting to annoy anyone, a la my supposed "ARod hatred/obsession". It's just that there are so many interesting aspects of the Mitchell Report as it pertains to Clemens that keep surfacing...

WesternCorrespondent
QUOTE(WesternCorrespondent @ Dec 24 2007, 03:32 PM) *
[...] So this is a special event. I wonder if Roger asked for Mike Wallace specifically (I would have enjoyed a special interview by Andy Rooney, even though he's known for his essays).
I got a kick out of one Q/A in this Boston Globe article from 2005 when Mike Wallace was interviewed, returning to his Brookline MA roots.
Maybe, even at 89, he can ask questions like that of Roger -- so long as he isn't a closet devoted Clemens fan who wouldn't want to derail Roger's HOF goal.

Indeed.

I sorta figured they had a connection, 89-y/o-fanboy and baseball legend, baseball legend and venerable media personality to be cultivated...
jackson
QUOTE(WesternCorrespondent @ Dec 25 2007, 02:54 PM) *

how come mike wallace stayed good for so long? isn't it a little odd that he didn't lose his fastball after turning 65, like a lot of newsmen do. what was wallace taking to stay in great mental shape? he didn't slow down until he turned 80. Then he started pulling that half-season stuff with the show, only showing up for the good interviews. roger picked up on that trick from mike.

by the way, doesn't the New York Times, which owns the Boston Globe, have a conflict of interest when it comes to Clemens? (that's some internet humor, kids.)

only WC is old enough to remember when Mike Wallace would stop in the middle of an interview during the late 1950s and early 1960s, hold up a pack of Winston cigarettes, and tell his audience how tasty they were. unsure.gif
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Dan Naulty of the 1999 Yankees details how steroids affected him emotionally & personally.
WesternCorrespondent
QUOTE(jackson @ Dec 25 2007, 01:56 PM) *
[...] only WC is old enough to remember when Mike Wallace would stop in the middle of an interview during the late 1950s and early 1960s, hold up a pack of Winston cigarettes, and tell his audience how tasty they were. unsure.gif

Can't remember if they were filtered or not, tho... wink.gif

Yeah, I also remember when he actually LOOKED like the picture you see in the bios at CBS, etc.
jackson
QUOTE(WesternCorrespondent @ Dec 25 2007, 05:47 PM) *
Can't remember if they were filtered or not, tho... wink.gif

Yeah, I also remember when he actually LOOKED like the picture you see in the bios at CBS, etc.

wallace also smoked DURING his interviews, following the lead of edward r. murrow. those were the good old days! smokin.gif
Malzone64
QUOTE(jackson @ Dec 25 2007, 03:18 PM) *
wallace also smoked DURING his interviews, following the lead of edward r. murrow. those were the good old days! smokin.gif

And Bette Davis and Bogart smoked in movies in the old old old days. It was considered chic back then (I've heard).

So Clemens comes out of the closet and says something in a video on Sunday and goes right back in. Not sure if he advanced his pawn with that, stayed even(ly bad) or moved backwards.
WesternCorrespondent
Today there's news from Roger's lead attorney Rusty Hardin, saying Roger's Team is going to launch their own investigation into the "allegations" found in the Mitchell Report.

What I find most fascinating about the story as it appears over at ESPN.com is that Hardin is disturbed that "a lot of logical people who we thought Mitchell was going to talk to but never talked to him or his investigators. That's troubling." Like, the release of the Mitchell Report is a point in time when Roger is finding out who his REAL friends are, and there aren't many....?

Hardin also said this: "We are convinced the conclusions in Mitchell's report are wrong... [...]" I'd like to know specifically which conclusions. Percentages of PED usage in MLB? The recommendation to not punish in a retrograde fashion, but to move forward? The conclusion that Roger WAS using anabolic steroids and HGH when the bottle he handed Brian McNamee had the name of a anabolic steroid on it?

Roger is supposed to sit down with the media and answer questions after the "60 Minutes" airing. I hope that Q&A session is on CNN in its entirety, but I kinda doubt it will be.
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