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alskor
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Four and a half bitter years have passed. Steve Bartman's life is in shambles. Mark Prior is pitching in San Diego, Dusty Baker is managing in Cincinnati, Alex Gonzalez is enjoying retirement and Kerry Wood is an unpopular closer trying to avoid his 12th disabled-list trip. And suddenly, perhaps stricken by Bartman-related guilt, Alou has decided to alter his view on what really happened that surreal October night in 2003.

"Everywhere I play, even now, people still yell, `Bartman! Bartman!' I feel really bad for the kid," he told Associated Press columnist Jim Litke, who ran into Alou at a Macy's department store in New York.

"You know what the funny thing is?" he continued, perhaps as he passed the leather glove department. ``I wouldn't have caught it, anyway.''


You have got to be s***ting me.

You know, I really hate the Cubs. Im not sure when it happened. I used to half heartedly hope they would win the world series... but their fans are awful people, the team is run by an imbecile, and I hate Bronx Zoo Piniella and the notion he's a good manager(he is NOT). I also hate Soriano. They have zero chance of winning the world series yet again this year. Most of all I hate their b/s billy goat curse crap. Theyre nothing but a pathetic rip off of what the Red Sox used to be.

I think the entire state of Illinois and every j***off Cubs fan in the country should apologize to Bartman. And this comes from a guy who when i see a grown man interfere with a ball in play down the line in Fenway thinks about ripping the moron's head off and dropkicking it off the Monster.

Mariotti is a terrible writer, too. This article is a piece of trash and he should spend a month in jail for it, IMHO. As usual he's just taking potshots at people all over the place.

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I've always maintained that Alou's angry reaction to Bartman's wretchedly ill-timed reach for the ball triggered the tragicomedy. If he simply had trotted back to his position in left field, the familiar air of dread wouldn't have seeped into Wrigley Field with the Cubs a mere five outs from their first World Series since 1945. Maybe Gonzalez would have started an inning-ending double play instead of botching a groundball. Maybe Prior would have settled down and completed the mission instead of becoming unnerved, as he has suggested.


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Yes, Alou is an emotional guy. But he also was a 37-year-old veteran who should have grasped the tension in the ballpark and the youth of Prior, who was in control at the time with a 3-0 lead. If he could have treated it as one foul ball in the night, the Cubs may have won the trophy that the Sox won two years later.


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The way I see it, you've just spent 4 1/2 years urinating on Bartman.


http://www.suntimes.com/sports/mariotti/87...i040208.article

What a hack.

Richard Justice, Jay Mariotti, Madden, King and Shaughnessy... all should be put in a rocket and fired into the Sun. I dont know how they sleep at night with the agendas they have and the crap they make up.
FourthBase
In hindsight, I have to say I agree with Mariotti's hindsight about Alou.
rominer
QUOTE(alskor @ Apr 3 2008, 12:39 AM) *
Richard Justice, Jay Mariotti, Madden, King and Shaughnessy... all should be put in a rocket and fired into the Sun. I dont know how they sleep at night with the agendas they have and the crap they make up.


I'm pretty sure that even Shaughnessy hasn't stooped to the level of using the "urinating on XX" metaphor all those times he's urinated all over Boston sports stars.

That's what offends me the most about hack writers. Oh, I know, every third word out of my mouth on most days starts with "f," ends with "uck," and doesn't have anything in between. The word "urinating" is not ever going to offend me (unless someone backs it up with action).

But the laziness of it kills me. You're getting paid to write this stuff, and the best you can do is a neutered colloquialism? And not even for any humorous effect?

Weak. I could piss out better prose in my sleep. (There you go, Jay: alliteration and urination. Top that.)
alskor
QUOTE(rominer @ Apr 3 2008, 12:59 PM) *
I'm pretty sure that even Shaughnessy hasn't stooped to the level of using the "urinating on XX" metaphor all those times he's urinated all over Boston sports stars.

That's what offends me the most about hack writers. Oh, I know, every third word out of my mouth on most days starts with "f," ends with "uck," and doesn't have anything in between. The word "urinating" is not ever going to offend me (unless someone backs it up with action).

But the laziness of it kills me. You're getting paid to write this stuff, and the best you can do is a neutered colloquialism? And not even for any humorous effect?

Weak. I could piss out better prose in my sleep. (There you go, Jay: alliteration and urination. Top that.)

Your point still stands, but you should be aware(I cant tell if you are or not) that he's specifically mocking Alou, who admitted to urinating on his hands to strengthen them. Its a pretty low blow, trying to make Alou appear like an ignorant Carribean islander, when that has absolutely nothing to do with the topic. Pretty weak.
vvac35
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Yes, Alou is an emotional guy. But he also was a 37-year-old veteran who should have grasped the tension in the ballpark and the youth of Prior, who was in control at the time with a 3-0 lead. If he could have treated it as one foul ball in the night, the Cubs may have won the trophy that the Sox won two years later.


Mariotti's awful.

Granted, that's nitpicking. But the rest of it speaks for itself.
Caspir
QUOTE(alskor @ Apr 3 2008, 03:43 PM) *
Its a pretty low blow, trying to make Alou appear like an ignorant Carribean islander, when that has absolutely nothing to do with the topic. Pretty weak.


How on earth would you get that out of this?

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The way I see it, you've just spent 4 1/2 years urinating on Bartman.


Okay, you don't like Mariotti. Don't start lobbing those kinds of accusations at him just because of that dislike. It was a dumb line that added little to the actual article, but in no way was it made to make Alou look like an "ignorant Caribbean islander," or anything of the sort. In fact, he raises a good point. Why is Alou just mentioning this now? I always thought he overreacted to the situation when it happened, and this just makes him look like a dope who can't control himself.
alskor
QUOTE(Caspir @ Apr 3 2008, 03:56 PM) *
How on earth would you get that out of this?
Okay, you don't like Mariotti. Don't start lobbing those kinds of accusations at him just because of that dislike. It was a dumb line that added little to the actual article, but in no way was it made to make Alou look like an "ignorant Caribbean islander," or anything of the sort. In fact, he raises a good point. Why is Alou just mentioning this now? I always thought he overreacted to the situation when it happened, and this just makes him look like a dope who can't control himself.

There was no need to bring up the urinating thing. It was just taking an unnecessary shot at Alou.

EDIT: I said in my first post I agreed with that point. Mariotti is just taking a pot shot there... its a traditional Dominican remedy/thing.
Caspir
Correct, it took a shot at him. What does that have to do with Alou's country of origin?
rominer
QUOTE(alskor @ Apr 3 2008, 12:43 PM) *
Your point still stands, but you should be aware(I cant tell if you are or not) that he's specifically mocking Alou, who admitted to urinating on his hands to strengthen them.


Ah, that's right...totally forgot about that.

Ok. Well, he tried to be funny with his pee joke, then. Didn't get the joke across very well, though. Because he's not very funny. dunno.gif
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