Game time: 8:05 pm EDT
Scheduled starters: Jon Lester (2-2, 3.94) v. Boof Bonser (2-4, 4.29)
The game will be on NESN.
Minneapolis weather: 4 pm CDT (5 pm EDT) observation at KMSP: Wind out of the north at 7 mph, visibility 10 miles, few clouds at 7,500 feet, broken clouds at 25,000 feet, temperature 64F, DP 31F
The game is inside, so it really doesn't matter what the weather's gonna do...
Full Version: BOSTON at Minnesota, Friday, May 9, 2008
CODE
Pos Player HR RBI AVG. Pos Player HR RBI AVG.
--- ------ -- --- ---- --- ------ -- --- ----
CF Ellsbury, Jacoby 3 13 .290 CF Gomez, Carlos 2 11 .279
2B Pedroia, Dustin 1 19 .301 2B Harris, Brendan 2 7 .248
DH Ortiz, David 7 28 .239 C Mauer, Joe 0 15 .346
LF Ramirez, Manny 7 24 .316 1B Morneau, Justin 6 25 .270
3B Lowell, Mike 2 5 .260 RF Cuddyer, Michael 1 10 .274
1B Youkilis, Kevin 7 27 .313 DH Kubel, Jason 4 18 .239
RF Drew, J.D. 3 16 .277 LF Young, Delmon 0 10 .264
C Varitek, Jason 3 13 .253 3B Tolbert, Matt 0 3 .295
SS Lugo, Julio 0 8 .286 SS Everett, Adam 0 2 .175
P Lester, Jon (2-2, 3.94) P Bonser, Boof (2-4, 4.29)
--- ------ -- --- ---- --- ------ -- --- ----
CF Ellsbury, Jacoby 3 13 .290 CF Gomez, Carlos 2 11 .279
2B Pedroia, Dustin 1 19 .301 2B Harris, Brendan 2 7 .248
DH Ortiz, David 7 28 .239 C Mauer, Joe 0 15 .346
LF Ramirez, Manny 7 24 .316 1B Morneau, Justin 6 25 .270
3B Lowell, Mike 2 5 .260 RF Cuddyer, Michael 1 10 .274
1B Youkilis, Kevin 7 27 .313 DH Kubel, Jason 4 18 .239
RF Drew, J.D. 3 16 .277 LF Young, Delmon 0 10 .264
C Varitek, Jason 3 13 .253 3B Tolbert, Matt 0 3 .295
SS Lugo, Julio 0 8 .286 SS Everett, Adam 0 2 .175
P Lester, Jon (2-2, 3.94) P Bonser, Boof (2-4, 4.29)
ANOTHER error by Lugo.
If a tree falls in the game thread and nobody is there to hear it, can it at least fall on Julio Lugo's head so he can't make another ****ing error?
Dammit and it costs 2 runs. How many games can he possibly attempt to lose himself?
QUOTE(Yazfest @ May 9 2008, 09:04 PM) 
Dammit and it costs 2 runs. How many games can he possibly attempt to lose himself?
162. Luckily he'll likely fail around 67 times.
Edit: Damn it. He has me so pissed I can't think straight. He'll only succeed 67 times
John Lester ****ing sucks. I simply can't stand games with him pitching.
is Lugo trying to match Renteria total errors ?? ( I believe Renteria made 30 errors in 2005 )
It makes it harder when he needs to get 4 or 5 outs in an inning.
QUOTE(amanuel777 @ May 9 2008, 09:07 PM)
John Lester ****ing sucks. I simply can't stand games with him pitching.
Yeah, game 4 of the world series blew chunks.
Seriosuly though, he should have been out of the inning.
Oh BTW, Mr.Lugo you owe RSN some kind of homerun TONIGHT! atleast try to redeem somehow!
QUOTE(BigSlick @ May 9 2008, 09:09 PM)
Yeah, game 4 of the world series blew chunks.
Seriosuly though, he should have been out of the inning.
Seriosuly though, he should have been out of the inning.
Yes, it did suck. That was the closest that the Rockies got to winning a game. If it wasn't for Bobby Kielty's HR, nobody knows what could've happened.
He sucks, plain and simple, end of discussion. It was and still is a great story to tell your kids how a pitcher fights cancer and comes back to win a Cy, but you won't be telling that story about Lester.
The dude is sub par; I have more faith when Clay takes the ball than Lester. Heck, I'd rather see Colon on the mound than Lester.
QUOTE(amanuel777 @ May 9 2008, 09:14 PM)
Yes, it did suck. That was the closest that the Rockies got to winning a game. If it wasn't for Bobby Kielty's HR, nobody knows what could've happened.
He sucks, plain and simple, end of discussion. It was and still is a great story to tell your kids how a pitcher fights cancer and comes back to win a Cy, but you won't be telling that story about Lester.
The dude is sub par; I have more faith when Clay takes the ball than Lester. Heck, I'd rather see Colon on the mound than Lester.
He sucks, plain and simple, end of discussion. It was and still is a great story to tell your kids how a pitcher fights cancer and comes back to win a Cy, but you won't be telling that story about Lester.
The dude is sub par; I have more faith when Clay takes the ball than Lester. Heck, I'd rather see Colon on the mound than Lester.
You know he's 24 years old and has a career record of 13-4 right?
Edit: And Lester didn't give up any runs in game 4... proof you have no clue what you are talking about.
QUOTE(BigSlick @ May 9 2008, 09:31 PM)
You know he's 24 years old and has a career record of 13-4 right?
Edit: And Lester didn't give up any runs in game 4... proof you have no clue what you are talking about.
Edit: And Lester didn't give up any runs in game 4... proof you have no clue what you are talking about.
Yes, I checked and you're right, he didn't give up any runs and I have no clue what I'm talking about.
He's only 24 and he's a great pitcher with an awesome career record which will only get better.
You are absolutely right, I'd like to see him on the mound every night.
QUOTE(amanuel777 @ May 9 2008, 09:40 PM)
Yes, I checked and you're right, he didn't give up any runs and I have no clue what I'm talking about.
He's only 24 and he's a great pitcher with an awesome career record which will only get better.
You are absolutely right, I'd like to see him on the mound every night.
He's only 24 and he's a great pitcher with an awesome career record which will only get better.
You are absolutely right, I'd like to see him on the mound every night.
I'm not saying the guy is going to be Pedro Martinez, but the potential is there for him to have a very solid career.
QUOTE(BigSlick @ May 9 2008, 09:43 PM)
I'm not saying the guy is going to be Pedro Martinez, but the potential is there for him to have a very solid career.
Do you in your heart of hearts believe his solid career will be in Boston?
Do you really feel comfortable with Lester on the mound?
This game is still doable, why not use Julian?? he hasn't pitched lately and I am sure his arms is well rested.
QUOTE(amanuel777 @ May 9 2008, 09:40 PM)
Yes, I checked and you're right, he didn't give up any runs and I have no clue what I'm talking about.
He's only 24 and he's a great pitcher with an awesome career record which will only get better.
You are absolutely right, I'd like to see him on the mound every night.
He's only 24 and he's a great pitcher with an awesome career record which will only get better.
You are absolutely right, I'd like to see him on the mound every night.
Dude go away, your embarrassing yourself.
Who would have thought this a few weeks ago. Make them pay Manny!!!
Nevermind....damn he should have raked that
Nevermind....damn he should have raked that
QUOTE(MAD SoxFan @ May 9 2008, 10:17 PM)
Dude go away, your embarrassing yourself.
Sure, I'll do that.
Beautiful block by Tek. Excellent play all around.
QUOTE(BigSlick @ May 9 2008, 09:31 PM)
You know he's 24 years old and has a career record of 13-4 right?
Because W-L is the best way to measure a pitcher...
I don't think Lester is horrible, but if you're going to make a case please refrain from W-L.
Nice. Now we have him for the 8th
QUOTE(Red Sox Fan2 @ May 9 2008, 10:35 PM)
Because W-L is the best way to measure a pitcher...
I don't think Lester is horrible, but if you're going to make a case please refrain from W-L.
I don't think Lester is horrible, but if you're going to make a case please refrain from W-L.
Why? The most important thing for a pitcher is to put your team in position to win the game. There's a lot of pitchers with better whips and era's that have a habit of losing games 3-2 or 4-3 because they blow it whenever it's a tight game.
Is Lester great? Of course not. At this point in his career he's ok, with the potential to be very good.
QUOTE(BigSlick @ May 9 2008, 08:06 PM)
Why? The most important thing for a pitcher is to put your team in position to win the game. There's a lot of pitchers with better whips and era's that have a habit of losing games 3-2 or 4-3 because they blow it whenever it's a tight game.
Uh oh, Joe Morgan has hacked BigSlick's account!
QUOTE(thanman2 @ May 9 2008, 11:15 PM)
Uh oh, Joe Morgan has hacked BigSlick's account!
Ok, I can deal with what RSF2 and amanuel said, but now I'm offended.
Come on, get the out!Holy crap
Nice job. Way to hang a splitter when he had no hope of catching up to the fastball.
What a horrible inning. Nibbling with the previous batter, which set him up to walk and then steal...inexcusable. This one is totally on Jonathan.
What a horrible inning. Nibbling with the previous batter, which set him up to walk and then steal...inexcusable. This one is totally on Jonathan.
That sucked.
I mean, everything Papelbon could do wrong that inning, he did wrong. And the total disregard for walking the batter, and then not even holding him on just needlessly cost us the game. I don't get it.
QUOTE(MFLetou @ May 9 2008, 11:29 PM)
Nice job. Way to hang a splitter when he had no hope of catching up to the fastball.
What a horrible inning. Nibbling with the previous batter, which set him up to walk and then steal...inexcusable. This one is totally on Jonathan.
What a horrible inning. Nibbling with the previous batter, which set him up to walk and then steal...inexcusable. This one is totally on Jonathan.
Even though it ended on a cheap hit you are 100% right. He pitched like the previous walk didn't matter when it was the winning run.
How's it feel to have Joe Morgan agree with you?
Damn... all location on that pitch. Why he didn't throw him another 97 mph is beyond me. It's mike freaking Lamb. F***!!!
QUOTE(BigSlick @ May 9 2008, 11:06 PM)
Why? The most important thing for a pitcher is to put your team in position to win the game. There's a lot of pitchers with better whips and era's that have a habit of losing games 3-2 or 4-3 because they blow it whenever it's a tight game.
Is Lester great? Of course not. At this point in his career he's ok, with the potential to be very good.
Is Lester great? Of course not. At this point in his career he's ok, with the potential to be very good.
I don't even think ERA is a great way to meassure a pitcher. But because he has wins (thanks to a great offense/BP/luck) he's more valuable than a guy who allows less runs?
What the hell is wrong with Paps? I know his BS in Detriot involved lots of luck but he hasn't K'd anyone in what, 6 straight games now?
There was no way they were throwing to 2nd on Gomez' steal....the ball gets away from Lugo and the game's over. Walking Gomez was the game. He had 3 walks all season. The splitter was stupid because it increases the odds of a passed ball also; he should've just kept putting it down the middle at 97 and make them hit it.
3 gut punch losses already this year...these last two this week and the Buchholz loss to TB.
It's a shame our relentless offense has given us two wins this week that the bullpen (and Lugo) gave back. We should have a 4.5 game lead, and 6.5 on the Yanks.
3 gut punch losses already this year...these last two this week and the Buchholz loss to TB.
It's a shame our relentless offense has given us two wins this week that the bullpen (and Lugo) gave back. We should have a 4.5 game lead, and 6.5 on the Yanks.
I'm late to this but I just want to say...
MOTHER F!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
MOTHER F!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
CODE
Boston ab r h 2b 3b hr rbi w k avg.
Ellsbury, Jacoby cf-lf 4 0 1 0 0 0 0 1 0 .288
Pedroia, Dustin 2b 5 1 2 0 0 0 0 0 1 .304
Ortiz, David dh 3 1 1 1 0 0 0 2 0 .241
Ramirez, Manny lf 5 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 3 .312
Crisp, Coco cf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .315
Lowell, Mike 3b 5 1 2 1 0 0 2 0 0 .269
Youkilis, Kevin 1b 5 1 2 0 0 0 1 0 1 .316
Drew, J.D. rf 3 1 1 0 0 0 0 2 1 .279
Varitek, Jason c 5 0 1 0 0 0 1 0 0 .250
Lugo, Julio ss 4 0 1 0 0 0 1 0 1 .285
Totals 39 6 12 2 0 0 5 5 7
Minnesota ab r h 2b 3b hr rbi w k avg.
Gomez, Carlos cf 4 2 1 0 0 0 1 1 0 .278
Harris, Brendan 2b 3 1 2 0 0 0 2 0 0 .259
Lamb, Mike 3b 2 0 1 0 0 0 2 0 0 .213
Mauer, Joe c 4 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 .343
Morneau, Justin 1b 4 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 2 .262
Cuddyer, Michael rf 4 0 1 0 0 0 1 0 0 .273
Kubel, Jason dh 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .230
Young, Delmon lf 4 1 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 .271
Tolbert, Matt 3b-2b 3 1 1 1 0 0 0 0 2 .297
Everett, Adam ss 3 1 2 2 0 0 0 1 0 .209
Totals 35 7 11 3 0 0 7 2 4
Boston 0 2 0 0 4 0 0 0 0 -- 6
Minnesota 2 2 0 1 0 0 0 0 2 -- 7
Two out when winning run scored.
E_J.Lugo, C.Gomez. LOB_Boston 11, Minnesota 5. 2B_D.Ortiz, M.Lowell,
M.Tolbert, A.Everett 2. S_M.Tolbert. SB_J.Ellsbury (14), K.Youkilis (2),
J.Lugo (5), C.Gomez 2 (15), D.Young (7). CS_J.Drew. GIDP_B.Harris. DP_Boston
1 (J.Lugo, D.Pedroia and K.Youkilis).
Boston IP H R ER BB SO HR PC-ST ERA
Lester, Jon 5 1-3 8 5 3 1 2 0 94-58 4.06
Aardsma, David 2-3 1 0 0 0 1 0 9-5 2.60
Okajima, Hideki 2 0 0 0 0 1 0 15-11 0.53
Papelbon, Jonathan(L 2-2;B 2) 2-3 2 2 2 1 0 0 18-11 2.55
Minnesota IP H R ER BB SO HR PC-ST ERA
Bonser, Boof 4 7 6 6 3 3 0 96-56 5.09
Rincon, Juan 2 1 0 0 2 1 0 31-16 4.15
Guerrier, Matt 1 2-3 0 0 0 0 1 0 17-11 3.15
Reyes, Dennys 1-3 2 0 0 0 0 0 7-5 0.00
Crain, Jesse (W 1-1) 1 2 0 0 0 2 0 18-13 5.06
B.Bonser pitched to 4 batters in the 5th.
IBB_off J.Rincon (D.Ortiz).
WP_J.Lester, B.Bonser, J.Rincon.
T_3:19. A_25,477.
Ellsbury, Jacoby cf-lf 4 0 1 0 0 0 0 1 0 .288
Pedroia, Dustin 2b 5 1 2 0 0 0 0 0 1 .304
Ortiz, David dh 3 1 1 1 0 0 0 2 0 .241
Ramirez, Manny lf 5 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 3 .312
Crisp, Coco cf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .315
Lowell, Mike 3b 5 1 2 1 0 0 2 0 0 .269
Youkilis, Kevin 1b 5 1 2 0 0 0 1 0 1 .316
Drew, J.D. rf 3 1 1 0 0 0 0 2 1 .279
Varitek, Jason c 5 0 1 0 0 0 1 0 0 .250
Lugo, Julio ss 4 0 1 0 0 0 1 0 1 .285
Totals 39 6 12 2 0 0 5 5 7
Minnesota ab r h 2b 3b hr rbi w k avg.
Gomez, Carlos cf 4 2 1 0 0 0 1 1 0 .278
Harris, Brendan 2b 3 1 2 0 0 0 2 0 0 .259
Lamb, Mike 3b 2 0 1 0 0 0 2 0 0 .213
Mauer, Joe c 4 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 .343
Morneau, Justin 1b 4 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 2 .262
Cuddyer, Michael rf 4 0 1 0 0 0 1 0 0 .273
Kubel, Jason dh 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .230
Young, Delmon lf 4 1 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 .271
Tolbert, Matt 3b-2b 3 1 1 1 0 0 0 0 2 .297
Everett, Adam ss 3 1 2 2 0 0 0 1 0 .209
Totals 35 7 11 3 0 0 7 2 4
Boston 0 2 0 0 4 0 0 0 0 -- 6
Minnesota 2 2 0 1 0 0 0 0 2 -- 7
Two out when winning run scored.
E_J.Lugo, C.Gomez. LOB_Boston 11, Minnesota 5. 2B_D.Ortiz, M.Lowell,
M.Tolbert, A.Everett 2. S_M.Tolbert. SB_J.Ellsbury (14), K.Youkilis (2),
J.Lugo (5), C.Gomez 2 (15), D.Young (7). CS_J.Drew. GIDP_B.Harris. DP_Boston
1 (J.Lugo, D.Pedroia and K.Youkilis).
Boston IP H R ER BB SO HR PC-ST ERA
Lester, Jon 5 1-3 8 5 3 1 2 0 94-58 4.06
Aardsma, David 2-3 1 0 0 0 1 0 9-5 2.60
Okajima, Hideki 2 0 0 0 0 1 0 15-11 0.53
Papelbon, Jonathan(L 2-2;B 2) 2-3 2 2 2 1 0 0 18-11 2.55
Minnesota IP H R ER BB SO HR PC-ST ERA
Bonser, Boof 4 7 6 6 3 3 0 96-56 5.09
Rincon, Juan 2 1 0 0 2 1 0 31-16 4.15
Guerrier, Matt 1 2-3 0 0 0 0 1 0 17-11 3.15
Reyes, Dennys 1-3 2 0 0 0 0 0 7-5 0.00
Crain, Jesse (W 1-1) 1 2 0 0 0 2 0 18-13 5.06
B.Bonser pitched to 4 batters in the 5th.
IBB_off J.Rincon (D.Ortiz).
WP_J.Lester, B.Bonser, J.Rincon.
T_3:19. A_25,477.
QUOTE(Red Sox Fan2 @ May 9 2008, 11:46 PM)
I don't even think ERA is a great way to meassure a pitcher. But because he has wins (thanks to a great offense/BP/luck) he's more valuable than a guy who allows less runs?
It all depends on the situation when the runs are given up. Do you think a pitcher should pitch the same with a 6-0 lead compared to a 2-1 lead?
Nothing to say here except that it was another breaks-of-the-game game -- a quirks of the baseball gods' game. Much like Pap's last blown save, he threw well but it happens. Tis life.
QUOTE(Cambridge @ May 10 2008, 12:18 AM)
Nothing to say here except that it was another breaks-of-the-game game -- a quirks of the baseball gods' game. Much like Pap's last blown save, he threw well but it happens. Tis life.
I strongly disagree. His last BS he threw ok. Tonight, he didn't. He had poor location on the fastball, and had no control at all of the splitter.
Tomorrow, both Oki and Paps will be off limits, too. Should be fun. Good thing its blacked out.
QUOTE(MFLetou @ May 10 2008, 01:01 AM)
Good thing its blacked out.
It shouldn't be. The game is at 7, it's not against the FOX games.
QUOTE(MFLetou @ May 9 2008, 11:01 PM)
I strongly disagree. His last BS he threw ok. Tonight, he didn't. He had poor location on the fastball, and had no control at all of the splitter.
Yep, but... too many splitters, maybe?
Is there something wrong with his fastball?
QUOTE(BigSlick @ May 10 2008, 12:11 AM)
It all depends on the situation when the runs are given up. Do you think a pitcher should pitch the same with a 6-0 lead compared to a 2-1 lead?
No, but at the same time how many games does Jon Lester win that is 2-1 or 3-2? It seems like he's never apart of a low scoring game and if it weren't for Paps BS, he would of gotten another win despite giving up 5 runs.
QUOTE(Red Sox Fan2 @ May 10 2008, 06:52 AM)
No, but at the same time how many games does Jon Lester win that is 2-1 or 3-2?
Well if you admit that you pitch differently based on the score of the game, that in itself would mean that you need to throw out all stats except for wins and losses unless you want to sit there and figure out everything he does based on the score at the time.
Also, in his 2 starts prior to last night, he had given up 5 hits and 1 run in 14 innings and one of them was a 1-0 win. That is what set me off about the other poster complaining that all of his starts suck. Granted, the 7 walks in those 14 innings were way too high, but he has pitched well.
QUOTE
It seems like he's never apart of a low scoring game and if it weren't for Paps BS, he would of gotten another win despite giving up 5 runs.
I admit he was very mediocre last night, but 2 of the runs weren't his fault.
QUOTE(amanuel777 @ May 9 2008, 09:07 PM)
John Lester ****ing sucks. I simply can't stand games with him pitching.
Bwhahaha you ****ing douchetard twatwaffle. I just wanted to bump this for you (and whoevers sig I saw it in)
I might bang on the Celtics hardcore, but I never bang on our quality young pitchers that early in the season. STUD.
QUOTE(RSNLoyalty04 @ May 20 2008, 12:37 AM)
Bwhahaha you ****ing douchetard twatwaffle. I just wanted to bump this for you (and whoevers sig I saw it in)
That would be me :-)
QUOTE(RSNLoyalty04 @ May 19 2008, 10:37 PM)
Bwhahaha you ****ing douchetard twatwaffle. I just wanted to bump this for you (and whoevers sig I saw it in)
I might bang on the Celtics hardcore, but I never bang on our quality young pitchers that early in the season. STUD.
I might bang on the Celtics hardcore, but I never bang on our quality young pitchers that early in the season. STUD.
Talk about remembering an overreactive newbie post for bashing later!
I like the way you think. Kudos.
I saw that earlier on BS's auto sig too, and the first thing I thought was 'I wonder if that's from a game thread'. Now I see that it is.
Don't we have an unwritten rule about quoting stuff from game threads and the clubhouse? I remember last year someone (I think Bergs) was upset that his game thread quote ended up in someone's autosig.
I'm not calling you out BigSlick, I consider you an efriend, but I do think that's a rule around here.
Don't we have an unwritten rule about quoting stuff from game threads and the clubhouse? I remember last year someone (I think Bergs) was upset that his game thread quote ended up in someone's autosig.
I'm not calling you out BigSlick, I consider you an efriend, but I do think that's a rule around here.
Did you read that guy's other posts in that thread? He deserves it, the doosh.
EDIT: Cowbell? What the hell?
EDIT: Cowbell? What the hell?
QUOTE(MrNewEngland @ May 20 2008, 04:33 PM)
I saw that earlier on BS's auto sig too, and the first thing I thought was 'I wonder if that's from a game thread'. Now I see that it is.
Don't we have an unwritten rule about quoting stuff from game threads and the clubhouse? I remember last year someone (I think Bergs) was upset that his game thread quote ended up in someone's autosig.
I'm not calling you out BigSlick, I consider you an efriend, but I do think that's a rule around here.
Don't we have an unwritten rule about quoting stuff from game threads and the clubhouse? I remember last year someone (I think Bergs) was upset that his game thread quote ended up in someone's autosig.
I'm not calling you out BigSlick, I consider you an efriend, but I do think that's a rule around here.
Well actually, I was the one who quoted Bergs' game thread comment last year too. I had offered to take down what Bergs had written after he mentioned the "unwritten game thread rule" but he said he was only kidding and didn't care.
I'll only keep this one for a few more days.
QUOTE(Westlake @ May 20 2008, 04:41 PM)
Did you read that guy's other posts in that thread? He deserves it, the doosh.
EDIT: Cowbell? What the hell?
EDIT: Cowbell? What the hell?
Man, what a d-bag, you're right. I think we should all use it as a sig.
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