Game time: 1:35 pm
Scheduled starters: Brian Bannister (4-5, 4.25) v. Daisuke Matsuzaka (7-0, 2.15)
The game will be on NESN and on workplace computers across Red Sox Nation
Boston weather: Noon observation at KBOS: Wind out of the west northwest at 12 mph, visibility 10 miles in light rain, broken layer at 4,000 feet, overcast at 14,000 feet, temperature 55F, DP 39F
Forecast: Funky weather... We're likely to see off-and-on light showers throughout the afternoon, but it shouldn't be enough to cancel the game. These showers are caused when daytime heating creates instability, and there's enough upper level moisture to have it all come back down on us. It'll be cool and damp, with winds blowing out toward right.
Full Version: Kansas City at BOSTON, Thursday, May 22, 2008
This guy...
would like to thank KC for the extra business.
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Kansas City Boston
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Pos Player HR RBI AVG. Pos Player HR RBI AVG.
--- ------ -- --- ---- --- ------ -- --- ----
LF DeJesus, David 3 17 .282 CF Ellsbury, Jacoby 4 17 .290
2B Grudzielanek, Mark 0 4 .307 2B Pedroia, Dustin 2 24 .304
3B Gordon, Alex 5 21 .296 DH Ortiz, David 10 38 .249
DH Guillen, Jose 5 31 .235 LF Ramirez, Manny 8 28 .287
RF Teahen, Mark 2 12 .255 3B Lowell, Mike 5 15 .267
C Olivo, Miguel 5 14 .271 1B Youkilis, Kevin 9 34 .320
1B Gload, Ross 0 9 .255 RF Drew, J.D. 3 18 .283
SS Callaspo, Alberto 0 3 .288 C Cash, Kevin 0 5 .341
CF Gathright, Joey 0 7 .250 SS Lugo, Julio 0 12 .285
P Bannister, Brian (4-5, 4.29) P Matsuzaka, Daisuke (7-0, 2.15)
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Pos Player HR RBI AVG. Pos Player HR RBI AVG.
--- ------ -- --- ---- --- ------ -- --- ----
LF DeJesus, David 3 17 .282 CF Ellsbury, Jacoby 4 17 .290
2B Grudzielanek, Mark 0 4 .307 2B Pedroia, Dustin 2 24 .304
3B Gordon, Alex 5 21 .296 DH Ortiz, David 10 38 .249
DH Guillen, Jose 5 31 .235 LF Ramirez, Manny 8 28 .287
RF Teahen, Mark 2 12 .255 3B Lowell, Mike 5 15 .267
C Olivo, Miguel 5 14 .271 1B Youkilis, Kevin 9 34 .320
1B Gload, Ross 0 9 .255 RF Drew, J.D. 3 18 .283
SS Callaspo, Alberto 0 3 .288 C Cash, Kevin 0 5 .341
CF Gathright, Joey 0 7 .250 SS Lugo, Julio 0 12 .285
P Bannister, Brian (4-5, 4.29) P Matsuzaka, Daisuke (7-0, 2.15)
05/22 11:53:44 ET
About time Manny hit #499, isn't it? How about getting that one and the next one done while you're at home, big guy? Otherwise, I'd like to see #500 Saturday night in person in Oakland. That would be my awesomest ever, well, since Ted hit 3 on an afternoon in front of me at Fenway years ago.
I firmly believe that DiceK will have a 10 BB no-hitter someday.
QUOTE(Red Sox Fan2 @ May 22 2008, 01:39 PM) 
I firmly believe that DiceK will have a 10 BB no-hitter someday.
Not today though....well, maybe the 10 walks.
All right, just one run, so it's to the bat cave!
Jacoby Ellsbury ****ing sucks. I simply can't stand watching him play. I agree with the high walk no hitter thing... Didn't Burnett have one a few years back with like 7 or 8 walks?
Drew!
That ought to take care of Bannister's day ERA!
That ought to take care of Bannister's day ERA!
HELLO DREW!!!!!
QUOTE(Locklandworth @ May 22 2008, 11:10 AM)
HELLO DREW!!!!!
Sounds like a Monster shot? I could hear it all the way from CA.
QUOTE(Westlake @ May 22 2008, 10:56 AM)
Jacoby Ellsbury ****ing sucks. I simply can't stand watching him play.
My sarcasm meter is at the repair shop.
You may end up in my sig.
Lugo should have stayed at 3rd..that ball was handled quickly , already CS @ 2nd base and thrown out at Home.
Matsusaka seems intent on making this a real game.
QUOTE(PhilA67 @ May 22 2008, 03:29 PM)
Matsusaka seems intent on making this a real game.
And yet, somehow, he's 7-0 and the Sox have, to date, won every game he's pitched. It's not that he has no control because he's a good strikeout guy. It seems like at any given pitch, he can simply lose his consistency, then regain it after a bit. It's odd.
QUOTE(PhilA67 @ May 22 2008, 03:29 PM)
Matsusaka seems intent on making this a real game.
Matsuzaka seems intent on driving me to the funny farm! Has anyone told him what the infielders are there for? Let them HIT the baseball, for Pete's sake!
OVER.
See what happens when you walk Manny!
I love this baseball team.
Amazing.
Amazing.
Add some pastrami and pepperoni, lettuce, tomato, some hot peppers...this game has the makings of a great sandwich.
Am I the only one who's slightly concerned about having Hansen in to pitch? Yes I know we're up by 6, but if there's been one Achilles' heel this year, it's the middle relief corps - and Hansen sports a ERA of nearly 8 as of inning 7.
QUOTE(orrie @ May 22 2008, 02:10 PM)
Am I the only one who's slightly concerned about having Hansen in to pitch? Yes I know we're up by 6, but if there's been one Achilles' heel this year, it's the middle relief corps - and Hansen sports a ERA of nearly 8 as of inning 7.
You have to give him work sometime, especially if they feel he can work through his problems and be a contributing member of the team. He has to get work. If not in a game where you're up by 7 then when?
QUOTE(PhilA67 @ May 22 2008, 03:53 PM)
OVER.
NOT QUITE OVER.
QUOTE(orrie @ May 22 2008, 04:10 PM)
Am I the only one who's slightly concerned about having Hansen in to pitch? Yes I know we're up by 6, but if there's been one Achilles' heel this year, it's the middle relief corps - and Hansen sports a ERA of nearly 8 as of inning 7.
I've been thinking the same thing. I thought he finally had gotten his sh!t together.
MDC too.
Bard may be out 7th inning guy next year.
Package up Lugo and Tavarez for a middle reliever and call up Lowrie... Are you listening, Theo?
QUOTE(RedSoxAnni @ May 22 2008, 04:33 PM)
Package up Lugo and Tavarez for a middle reliever and call up Lowrie... Are you listening, Theo?
Or DFA Tavarez & give him to anyone that wants him...
Thank God for the armadillo. I kept getting confused about who was posting with that other avatar. It was very disorienting.
QUOTE(Kylyk @ May 22 2008, 04:17 PM)
You have to give him work sometime, especially if they feel he can work through his problems and be a contributing member of the team. He has to get work. If not in a game where you're up by 7 then when?
The trouble is that this is the majors and no lead is safe at Fenway; we all know the offensive tendencies of our home park. Even with a 6 run lead, two hits there, a homerun or two here and there and it's a real game again. If Hansen isn't ready for the bigs, then he needs to do more work at AAA. I know everyone's strapped for good middle relief, but are you going to risk actual wins at the ML level for the sake of a kid's development? Do it in the minors where they're supposed to work out their issues.
Just got home. I'm glad I missed the agita of watching Matsuzaka with all the walks and the bullpen try to blow the game.
Come on Paps, a nice 1-2-3 inning will work.
Come on Paps, a nice 1-2-3 inning will work.
QUOTE(RedSoxAnni @ May 22 2008, 03:33 PM)
Package up Lugo and Tavarez for a middle reliever and call up Lowrie... Are you listening, Theo?
On what planet would that trade package bring any actual middle relief help? The Red Sox would basically have to pay most of Julio Lugo's contract for some temporary middle relief help, and that's a ridiculous waste of resources when the available talent pool is a complete crapshoot anyway. Calling up Tavarez and giving him some middle-innings work (as opposed to letting him rot as the long man) is as likely to help as any arm who is actually going to be on the market. I suspect Theo's memory works better than his ears, and the lesson of Gagne last season should be fresh in everyone's mind.
QUOTE(orrie @ May 22 2008, 02:38 PM)
The trouble is that this is the majors and no lead is safe at Fenway; we all know the offensive tendencies of our home park. Even with a 6 run lead, two hits there, a homerun or two here and there and it's a real game again. If Hansen isn't ready for the bigs, then he needs to do more work at AAA. I know everyone's strapped for good middle relief, but are you going to risk actual wins at the ML level for the sake of a kid's development? Do it in the minors where they're supposed to work out their issues.
I certainly agree that he is scary to see coming into any game no matter the lead. He probably should be sent back down to AAA, but Theo and Tito seem pretty content watching him try to pitch out of his troubles in the majors. Since that is the case he needs to be coming into games like this, not games where it is a 1 or 2 run lead. Also I think they are trying to rest some of the other arms out of the pen. Overall, if we have to see Hansen in the majors I'm glad it's in a game like todays.
QUOTE(rominer @ May 22 2008, 04:38 PM)
Thank God for the armadillo. I kept getting confused about who was posting with that other avatar. It was very disorienting.
Yeah, I've been gone the past few days. When I logged on this afternoon I had 5 PM's asking me to switch back. So it's not just you.
I was at training until 2 today, near my condo. When I got back I decided to watch an inning or two before going back to work. Caught the JD grand slam. It made me happy.
Also, it sucks to have to use Papelbon today. I assume that makes him unavailable tomorrow?
QUOTE(MrNewEngland @ May 22 2008, 01:45 PM)
Yeah, I've been gone the past few days. When I logged on this afternoon I had 5 PM's asking me to switch back. So it's not just you.
Wow. DWO is persistent.
QUOTE
Also, it sucks to have to use Papelbon today. I assume that makes him unavailable tomorrow?
Tomorrow is like 38 hours away or something...east coast day game today, west coast night game tomorrow. So who knows?
DIRTY WATER!
QUOTE(rominer @ May 22 2008, 04:48 PM)
Wow. DWO is persistent.
Nah, I only had 3 from him. Asking me to keep it.
QUOTE(rominer @ May 22 2008, 04:48 PM)
Tomorrow is like 38 hours away or something...east coast day game today, west coast night game tomorrow. So who knows?
3 DAYS???? That's tomorrow!!!!!
QUOTE(MrNewEngland @ May 22 2008, 03:45 PM)
Yeah, I've been gone the past few days. When I logged on this afternoon I had 5 PM's asking me to switch back. So it's not just you.
Who are these obsessive asswipes that need your 'dillo porn to get through the day?
I'm guessing MPS2. Nah, you'd enjoy that too much.
QUOTE(Kylyk @ May 22 2008, 04:44 PM)
I certainly agree that he is scary to see coming into any game no matter the lead. He probably should be sent back down to AAA, but Theo and Tito seem pretty content watching him try to pitch out of his troubles in the majors. Since that is the case he needs to be coming into games like this, not games where it is a 1 or 2 run lead. Also I think they are trying to rest some of the other arms out of the pen. Overall, if we have to see Hansen in the majors I'm glad it's in a game like todays.
But there's a ripple effect, isn't there. Even if you have a big lead, if you use a kid who's a bit shaky, and then he gives up enough runs that it becomes a real game, then you have to use Okajima and Paps. You rob Peter to pay Paul that way.
I understand the reasoning for the use of the young middle relief corps. They're supposed to eat innings, protect the lead somewhat and gain some valuable experience. But man, it's tough to watch Hansen pitch - if I'm not mistaken he has now pitched 8 innings. He has given up 7 earned runs. He has given up 9 hits. He has walked 5.
Yes they won the game today but it should never have to go to Paps. Middle relief corps besides Okajima really are kinda shaky, but some of them are shakier than others.
QUOTE(Westlake @ May 22 2008, 04:51 PM)
Who are these obsessive asswipes that need your 'dillo porn to get through the day?
I'm guessing MPS2. Nah, you'd enjoy that too much.
I'm guessing MPS2. Nah, you'd enjoy that too much.
You weren't around for the celebrity death pools where everyone who participated had to use the winners avatar for three weeks. It was confusing.
2 hits given up by Papelbon w/ no strikeouts? How'd he look? (I'm stuck at work)
QUOTE(orrie @ May 22 2008, 02:53 PM)
But there's a ripple effect, isn't there. Even if you have a big lead, if you use a kid who's a bit shaky, and then he gives up enough runs that it becomes a real game, then you have to use Okajima and Paps. You rob Peter to pay Paul that way.
I understand the reasoning for the use of the young middle relief corps. They're supposed to eat innings, protect the lead somewhat and gain some valuable experience. But man, it's tough to watch Hansen pitch - if I'm not mistaken he has now pitched 8 innings. He has given up 7 earned runs. He has given up 9 hits. He has walked 5.
Yes they won the game today but it should never have to go to Paps. Middle relief corps besides Okajima really are kinda shaky, but some of them are shakier than others.
I understand the reasoning for the use of the young middle relief corps. They're supposed to eat innings, protect the lead somewhat and gain some valuable experience. But man, it's tough to watch Hansen pitch - if I'm not mistaken he has now pitched 8 innings. He has given up 7 earned runs. He has given up 9 hits. He has walked 5.
Yes they won the game today but it should never have to go to Paps. Middle relief corps besides Okajima really are kinda shaky, but some of them are shakier than others.
The problem is that the more reliable arms can't pitch everytime. If I had my way I would never see Timlin or Hansen come out of the bullpen, but you can't have the more reliable arms taking the hill everytime middle relief is needed. They are all shaky, as you said, and they all need work. At this point I don't know of any other real options for middle relief unless we trade for it. We're kind of stuck.
Now we can agree on two things for sure. It's hard to watch Hansen pitch and this never should have gone to Paps. The other issue is that Dice-K is unable to get out of the 6th inning ever! At some point he is going to need to start going longer into games so that our middle relief isn't so exposed.
QUOTE(Kylyk @ May 22 2008, 02:09 PM)
The other issue is that Dice-K is unable to get out of the 6th inning ever! At some point he is going to need to start going longer into games so that our middle relief isn't so exposed.
That's the big thing. Dice-K was pitching to a team that's last in runs scored, 2nd to last in walks (not anymore), tied for 5th fewest hits (not anymore), and last in HR (now tied for last after 2 HR today). There's no reason for him to be his usual "I'd rather try 4 times to make one perfect pitch than make 4 good-enough pitches in a row" self. You attack this team inside the strike zone. He didn't. Still got out of it ok, but with a lot of innings left for the pen. If he wants to do this against a good lineup, fine. It's not ideal, but if he's coming away with a lead and only 3 runs allowed, I can take my chances. Against a truly awful offensive team, though, he needs to put himself in a position to go 7.
As for Hansen - he's just incredibly inconsistent. He does have 4 innings of all zeros this year. It's just that his other 4 1/3 IP (plus a 0-inning outing) have been brutal. It's not a terrible roll of the dice to put him in with a huge lead. He just sucked today. Fine. He was great yesterday. What are you going to do? He's the Sam Cassell of the bullpen.
QUOTE(orrie @ May 22 2008, 01:53 PM)
But there's a ripple effect, isn't there. Even if you have a big lead, if you use a kid who's a bit shaky, and then he gives up enough runs that it becomes a real game, then you have to use Okajima and Paps. You rob Peter to pay Paul that way.
I understand the reasoning for the use of the young middle relief corps. They're supposed to eat innings, protect the lead somewhat and gain some valuable experience. But man, it's tough to watch Hansen pitch - if I'm not mistaken he has now pitched 8 innings. He has given up 7 earned runs. He has given up 9 hits. He has walked 5.
Yes they won the game today but it should never have to go to Paps. Middle relief corps besides Okajima really are kinda shaky, but some of them are shakier than others.
I understand the reasoning for the use of the young middle relief corps. They're supposed to eat innings, protect the lead somewhat and gain some valuable experience. But man, it's tough to watch Hansen pitch - if I'm not mistaken he has now pitched 8 innings. He has given up 7 earned runs. He has given up 9 hits. He has walked 5.
Yes they won the game today but it should never have to go to Paps. Middle relief corps besides Okajima really are kinda shaky, but some of them are shakier than others.
It is a ripple effect but it's probably part of the Tito's season long development plan, like last year, to not worry about each and every game, but instead produce a great post-season team. They have to find some 6 - 7th ining relievers somewhere. Hansen was pitching lights out at Pawtucket this year, so what the heck happened to him? Guys like Aardsma that give up two IF singles, then an HR, what can you say. I see we had Oki and MDC not used today, or Timlin. Holy Crap! Beckett going Saturday? I'm going to that one. I thought Beckett would be Sunday - Friday, forgot about Wakes. I'm ordering up best pitcher on the planet post-season Beckett for Saturday. No value meal last Sunday Beckett, please.
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Kansas City ab r h 2b 3b hr rbi w k avg.
DeJesus, David lf 6 0 2 0 0 0 0 0 3 .285
Grudzielanek, Mark 2b 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 .301
German, Esteban 2b 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 .100
Butler, Billy ph 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 .267
Gordon, Alex 3b 4 3 1 0 0 0 0 2 1 .295
Guillen, Jose dh 5 3 4 1 0 1 3 0 1 .251
Teahen, Mark rf 2 1 0 0 0 0 0 3 0 .252
Olivo, Miguel c 5 1 3 2 0 1 5 0 1 .289
Gload, Ross 1b 5 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 .243
Callaspo, Alberto ss 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 .270
Gathright, Joey cf 4 0 2 1 0 0 0 1 0 .259
Totals 40 8 13 4 0 2 8 8 10
Boston ab r h 2b 3b hr rbi w k avg.
Ellsbury, Jacoby cf-lf 3 1 1 0 0 0 0 2 0 .291
Pedroia, Dustin 2b 5 1 1 1 0 0 1 0 0 .301
Ortiz, David dh 5 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 1 .247
Ramirez, Manny lf 4 2 1 0 0 0 0 1 2 .287
Crisp, Coco cf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .295
Lowell, Mike 3b 4 3 3 1 0 1 4 0 0 .283
Youkilis, Kevin 1b 4 1 2 0 0 0 1 0 1 .324
Drew, J.D. rf 4 2 2 0 0 1 4 0 0 .290
Cash, Kevin c 4 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 3 .333
Lugo, Julio ss 3 0 2 0 0 0 1 0 0 .293
Cora, Alex ss 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .409
Totals 36 11 14 2 0 2 11 3 7
Kansas City 1 0 0 0 2 0 2 3 0 -- 8
Boston 0 4 1 0 0 6 0 0 X -- 11
E_R.Gload. LOB_Kansas City 13, Boston 5. 2B_J.Guillen, M.Olivo 2,
J.Gathright, D.Pedroia, M.Lowell. HR_J.Guillen (6) off C.Hansen,
M.Olivo (6) off D.Aardsma, J.Drew (4) off B.Bannister, M.Lowell (6) off
J.Gobble. SF_J.Lugo. SB_J.Gathright (12). CS_J.Lugo.
Kansas City IP H R ER BB SO HR PC-ST ERA
Bannister, Brian (L 4-6) 5 1-3 12 7 7 1 4 1 107-72 4.94
Gobble, Jimmy 2-3 2 4 4 2 1 1 22-8 6.55
Yabuta, Yasuhiko 1 0 0 0 0 1 0 17-12 5.85
Nunez, Leo 1 0 0 0 0 1 0 10-8 1.45
Boston IP H R ER BB SO HR PC-ST ERA
Matsuzaka, Daisuke (W 8-0) 5 2-3 6 3 3 6 7 0 118-67 2.40
Lopez, Javier 1-3 0 0 0 0 1 0 4-3 2.95
Hansen, Craig 1 2 2 2 2 0 1 24-13 7.56
Aardsma, David 1 3 3 3 0 2 1 26-15 3.27
Papelbon, Jonathan (S 14) 1 2 0 0 0 0 0 15-10 2.35
IBB_off J.Gobble (M.Ramirez).
WP_D.Matsuzaka 2.
T_3:16. A_37,613.
Umpires_Home, Hunter Wendelstedt; First, Brian Knight;
Second, Marvin Hudson; Third, Tom Hallion.
05/22 17:19:48 ET
DeJesus, David lf 6 0 2 0 0 0 0 0 3 .285
Grudzielanek, Mark 2b 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 .301
German, Esteban 2b 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 .100
Butler, Billy ph 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 .267
Gordon, Alex 3b 4 3 1 0 0 0 0 2 1 .295
Guillen, Jose dh 5 3 4 1 0 1 3 0 1 .251
Teahen, Mark rf 2 1 0 0 0 0 0 3 0 .252
Olivo, Miguel c 5 1 3 2 0 1 5 0 1 .289
Gload, Ross 1b 5 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 .243
Callaspo, Alberto ss 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 .270
Gathright, Joey cf 4 0 2 1 0 0 0 1 0 .259
Totals 40 8 13 4 0 2 8 8 10
Boston ab r h 2b 3b hr rbi w k avg.
Ellsbury, Jacoby cf-lf 3 1 1 0 0 0 0 2 0 .291
Pedroia, Dustin 2b 5 1 1 1 0 0 1 0 0 .301
Ortiz, David dh 5 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 1 .247
Ramirez, Manny lf 4 2 1 0 0 0 0 1 2 .287
Crisp, Coco cf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .295
Lowell, Mike 3b 4 3 3 1 0 1 4 0 0 .283
Youkilis, Kevin 1b 4 1 2 0 0 0 1 0 1 .324
Drew, J.D. rf 4 2 2 0 0 1 4 0 0 .290
Cash, Kevin c 4 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 3 .333
Lugo, Julio ss 3 0 2 0 0 0 1 0 0 .293
Cora, Alex ss 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .409
Totals 36 11 14 2 0 2 11 3 7
Kansas City 1 0 0 0 2 0 2 3 0 -- 8
Boston 0 4 1 0 0 6 0 0 X -- 11
E_R.Gload. LOB_Kansas City 13, Boston 5. 2B_J.Guillen, M.Olivo 2,
J.Gathright, D.Pedroia, M.Lowell. HR_J.Guillen (6) off C.Hansen,
M.Olivo (6) off D.Aardsma, J.Drew (4) off B.Bannister, M.Lowell (6) off
J.Gobble. SF_J.Lugo. SB_J.Gathright (12). CS_J.Lugo.
Kansas City IP H R ER BB SO HR PC-ST ERA
Bannister, Brian (L 4-6) 5 1-3 12 7 7 1 4 1 107-72 4.94
Gobble, Jimmy 2-3 2 4 4 2 1 1 22-8 6.55
Yabuta, Yasuhiko 1 0 0 0 0 1 0 17-12 5.85
Nunez, Leo 1 0 0 0 0 1 0 10-8 1.45
Boston IP H R ER BB SO HR PC-ST ERA
Matsuzaka, Daisuke (W 8-0) 5 2-3 6 3 3 6 7 0 118-67 2.40
Lopez, Javier 1-3 0 0 0 0 1 0 4-3 2.95
Hansen, Craig 1 2 2 2 2 0 1 24-13 7.56
Aardsma, David 1 3 3 3 0 2 1 26-15 3.27
Papelbon, Jonathan (S 14) 1 2 0 0 0 0 0 15-10 2.35
IBB_off J.Gobble (M.Ramirez).
WP_D.Matsuzaka 2.
T_3:16. A_37,613.
Umpires_Home, Hunter Wendelstedt; First, Brian Knight;
Second, Marvin Hudson; Third, Tom Hallion.
05/22 17:19:48 ET
Somebody post a 4 game sweep worthy broom, please. This work computer is retarded right now.
QUOTE(RedSoxAnni @ May 22 2008, 03:38 PM)
Beautiful! Thank you. Now get them overrated Oaklands!
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