Game time: 6:05 pm
Scheduled starters: James Shields (4-3, 3.24) v. Jon Lester (3-3, 3.67)
The game will be on NESN.
Boston weather: 3 pm observation at KBOS: Wind out of the northeast at 17 mph, visibility 8 miles, overcast layer at 700 feet, temperature 59F, DP 54F
Forecast: What you see is what you get! The low is moving very slowly, and we've still got an onshore flow. It will be damp and drizzly and in the 50s. The wind will be blowing in.
Full Version: Tampa Bay at BOSTON, Thursday, June 5, 2008
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Tampa Bay Boston
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Pos Player HR RBI AVG. Pos Player HR RBI AVG.
--- ------ -- --- ---- --- ------ -- --- ----
2B Iwamura, Akinori 4 17 .276 LF Ellsbury, Jacoby 4 22 .287
SS Bartlett, Jason 0 9 .240 2B Pedroia, Dustin 4 28 .273
LF Crawford, Carl 4 30 .274 RF Drew, J.D. 6 27 .302
CF Upton, B.J. 3 34 .301 DH Ramirez, Manny 12 40 .296
3B Longoria, Evan 7 28 .244 3B Lowell, Mike 8 27 .283
C Navarro, Dioner 1 18 .328 1B Casey, Sean 0 8 .351
1B Aybar, Willy 1 2 .273 C Varitek, Jason 6 21 .268
DH Gomes, Jonny 4 11 .213 CF Crisp, Coco 2 14 .261
RF Ruggiano, Justin 0 1 .250 SS Lugo, Julio 0 13 .271
P Shields, James (4-3, 3.24) P Lester, Jon (3-3, 3.67)
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Pos Player HR RBI AVG. Pos Player HR RBI AVG.
--- ------ -- --- ---- --- ------ -- --- ----
2B Iwamura, Akinori 4 17 .276 LF Ellsbury, Jacoby 4 22 .287
SS Bartlett, Jason 0 9 .240 2B Pedroia, Dustin 4 28 .273
LF Crawford, Carl 4 30 .274 RF Drew, J.D. 6 27 .302
CF Upton, B.J. 3 34 .301 DH Ramirez, Manny 12 40 .296
3B Longoria, Evan 7 28 .244 3B Lowell, Mike 8 27 .283
C Navarro, Dioner 1 18 .328 1B Casey, Sean 0 8 .351
1B Aybar, Willy 1 2 .273 C Varitek, Jason 6 21 .268
DH Gomes, Jonny 4 11 .213 CF Crisp, Coco 2 14 .261
RF Ruggiano, Justin 0 1 .250 SS Lugo, Julio 0 13 .271
P Shields, James (4-3, 3.24) P Lester, Jon (3-3, 3.67)
06/05 16:41:21 ET
I'm glad Coco is playing tonight, it would have made him appear weak & cowardly if he were sitting this one out. That said, I hope he's wearing extra padding in his 'ol gluteus maximus....and doesn't start a bench clearing once he gets popped (assuming it's not in the area of the head).
Should be a fun one, go get 'em boys!
Should be a fun one, go get 'em boys!
That was about a 900 foot home run by Manny. Good God he crushed that thing.
I wish Coco had punched someone's head off.
Shields ejected. Serves you right, you bastard.
Shields ejected. Serves you right, you bastard.
He showed some boxing skills. But he got tackled while he was throwing his first punch.
Lucky for that vaginal pitcher, his catcher had his back.
Lucky for that vaginal pitcher, his catcher had his back.
I wish someone would have found Maddon and knocked his ass out. And Crawford coming and hitting him from behind. Enjoy losing your starting pitcher in the 2nd inning, morons.
Crisp ejected, Gomes possibly ejected? Crawford still playing despite throwing sucker-punches. Maddon appears to be in the game still, which is bullshit. He should've been the first guy gone.
I still don't even have a problem with Coco's hard slide last night.
But whatever. Bring it on.
But whatever. Bring it on.
QUOTE(rominer @ Jun 5 2008, 04:44 PM) 
I still don't even have a problem with Coco's hard slide last night.
But whatever. Bring it on.
But whatever. Bring it on.
Seemed like Coco's hard slide was retaliation for Bartlett blocking the bag. That should have ended it, this was just starting it all over again.
There's gonna be some suspensions out of this. I predict Crisp 8 days, Shields 10 days (Starter rule, misses one start), Gomes 3 days, Crawford 3 days (if they go by TV footage, since the Umps missed em, and that means it likely won't be in the umpire's report) and probably a huge-ass amount of fines as well
This is, I hope, the last time I will ever say this, but...
...too bad we don't still have Rudy Seanez in the bullpen.
...too bad we don't still have Rudy Seanez in the bullpen.
Odds on a Lester fastball finding someone's back next inning?
QUOTE(67YazWithSideburns @ Jun 5 2008, 06:52 PM)
Odds on a Lester fastball finding someone's back next inning?
I'd say slim. They had their fight, and Lester pitching for 7 innings and saving the bullpen is worth much more than hitting someone with a fastball.
QUOTE(67YazWithSideburns @ Jun 5 2008, 03:52 PM)
Odds on a Lester fastball finding someone's back next inning?
Slim. Why get yourself ejected this early in the game?
Having to watch the Tampa feed and listen to Dwayne Staats and Joe Magraine really, really sucks.
The funny part was listening to Magraine say that he didn't know why Gomes was tossed. Uhm, maybe for punching a guy several times that was being held on the ground.What a cowbell.
How they kept adding to the exaggeration re: Hale's part in the fight was also comical.
The funny part was listening to Magraine say that he didn't know why Gomes was tossed. Uhm, maybe for punching a guy several times that was being held on the ground.What a cowbell.
How they kept adding to the exaggeration re: Hale's part in the fight was also comical.
QUOTE(DCA @ Jun 5 2008, 03:59 PM)
Having to watch the Tampa feed and listen to Dwayne Staats and Joe Magraine really, really sucks.
Needless to say, Migraine is the single worst announcer in baseball.
Carl Crawford is my new hero. She was so brave out there tonight.
Did anyone else just get an ad for a Carlos Quintana boxing match?
Didn't look anything like Quintana to me.
Didn't look anything like Quintana to me.
Christ, now Ellsbury is hurt?
OK, I've had enough of this game. Let's get through the rest of it without incident, please. By the end of this thing, we could have Lowell in LF.
Absolute shyte show. Thanks for taking the best defensive outfield in MLB and tuning it in to the worst in the same game Coco.
We lose Jacoby with Coco out for a 15 game suspension, it could get ugly quick.
We lose Jacoby with Coco out for a 15 game suspension, it could get ugly quick.
QUOTE(Locklandworth @ Jun 5 2008, 04:18 PM)
We lose Jacoby with Coco out for a 15 game suspension, it could get ugly quick.
If he gets anything close to 15 games, I'll walk into the MLB offices and light off a stinkbomb. 15 would be very excessive.
after watching the MLB.com video, I think Mr Gomes and Mr Crawford better make some plans for the time off they're shortly about to have.
Way to go Wily Mo!
Congratulations on your first major league hit, Chris!
Now come around and score again.
Now come around and score again.
Coco is probably looking at 3-5 games. Gomes and Crawford should get more, and actually Iwamura could get a game or 2 cause it appeared he jumped in the pile to try to take a shot too.
I'm following online - what's the Ellsbury situation? Is this a couple day wrist injury or a more serious thing?
The MLB video clip of the brawl isn't working. Anywhere else I can get it?
QUOTE(67YazWithSideburns @ Jun 5 2008, 07:45 PM)
I'm following online - what's the Ellsbury situation? Is this a couple day wrist injury or a more serious thing?
Xrays are negative, but they were negative for Papi too. The MRI is the thing.Probably done tomorrow.
QUOTE(rominer @ Jun 5 2008, 06:03 PM)
Needless to say, Migraine is the single worst announcer in baseball.
Abso-friggin-lutely. He is a god-awful dooshbag.
Manny goes after Youk in the dugout?
What the hell is in the water there?
What the hell is in the water there?
Youk & Manny fighting in the dugout?
WTF?
WTF?
Quite the bizarre game tonight...
What the hell is going on?
QUOTE(SoxFan4Life @ Jun 5 2008, 07:55 PM)
Quite the bizarre game tonight...
A wild guess based on no evidence: Manny didn't help out during the brawl and Youk called him on it.
For those of us not able to get to a TV to watch the game; what the hell happened? As far as I can tell:
1. Crisp got tossed for charging the mound.
2. Ellsbury got hurt going for a ball...
and now, Manny and Youks are fighting? Huh?
Someone explain that last bit?
1. Crisp got tossed for charging the mound.
2. Ellsbury got hurt going for a ball...
and now, Manny and Youks are fighting? Huh?
Someone explain that last bit?
QUOTE(orrie @ Jun 5 2008, 08:00 PM)
For those of us not able to get to a TV to watch the game; what the hell happened? As far as I can tell:
1. Crisp got tossed for charging the mound.
2. Ellsbury got hurt going for a ball...
and now, Manny and Youks are fighting? Huh?
Someone explain that last bit?
1. Crisp got tossed for charging the mound.
2. Ellsbury got hurt going for a ball...
and now, Manny and Youks are fighting? Huh?
Someone explain that last bit?
1)Coco charged the mound after Shields hit him in the hip, an obvious retaliation for last night's stuff at second.
2)Ellsbury made a great diving catch on which his wrist bend under, just like Matsui's did last year. Xrays are negative.
3)Manny and Youk had to be separated like Billy Martin and Reggie Jackson 31 years ago. No explanation there, apart from my wild guess(above).
If Kobe Bryant and Ray Allen go at it tonight they should quarantine the entire state of Mass.
QUOTE(Leephus Pitch @ Jun 5 2008, 07:56 PM)
A wild guess based on no evidence: Manny didn't help out during the brawl and Youk called him on it.
No one other than Cash, Casey and Timlin did anything during that fight, so if Youks was calling out Manny he should work his way down the line. Jacoby was especially bitch like, watching Coco get jumped by three guys as he sheepishly tugged at Crawford's jersey. I'd rather our $20m All Star slugger not jump into a brawl.
QUOTE(orrie @ Jun 5 2008, 08:00 PM)
....Manny and Youks are fighting....
Yikes, in my view, this is potentially bigger than the Coco fight & any suspecions that will come from it. I can't see any up side coming out of this altercation.
How does the saying go, something like '25 players 1 bus & a cab...'
Hopefully it's much to do about nothing.
QUOTE(VoteRiceIn @ Jun 5 2008, 05:27 PM)
Yikes, in my view, this is potentially bigger than the Coco fight & any suspecions that will come from it. I can't see any up side coming out of this altercation.
If the upside is Manny tweaking something in his leg in this AB, then definitely not.
I guess he's ok, though.
NESN just aired a grainy clip of the Manny vs. Youk blow out.
Whatever Youk said really p*ssed Manny off, he threw a slap/punch (not sure which it was) then pushed Youk down onto the stairs of the dugout.....wasn't pretty. I've never seen Manny blow is cool like that before. Youk must really know his buttons.
Whatever Youk said really p*ssed Manny off, he threw a slap/punch (not sure which it was) then pushed Youk down onto the stairs of the dugout.....wasn't pretty. I've never seen Manny blow is cool like that before. Youk must really know his buttons.
Its certainly going to be an interesting post game...
That was a mess of a game.
Our bullpen was able to work out of some jams, but it was disconcerting that they were getting into so many in the first place. By my count Tampa only had one fewer base runner than the Sox (16 to 15). Without a couple clutch strikeouts and a lot of un-clutch hitting it could have been a different game.
Injuries are my biggest concern however, and if Manny or Ellsbury are out for any length of time this could get ugly fast. Let's just hope that the hammy and the wrist are looking better in the morning.
Our bullpen was able to work out of some jams, but it was disconcerting that they were getting into so many in the first place. By my count Tampa only had one fewer base runner than the Sox (16 to 15). Without a couple clutch strikeouts and a lot of un-clutch hitting it could have been a different game.
Injuries are my biggest concern however, and if Manny or Ellsbury are out for any length of time this could get ugly fast. Let's just hope that the hammy and the wrist are looking better in the morning.
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Tampa Bay ab r h 2b 3b hr rbi w k avg.
Iwamura, Akinori 2b 4 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 .276
Bartlett, Jason ss 5 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 1 .239
Crawford, Carl lf 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 .270
Upton, B.J. cf 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 .295
Longoria, Evan 3b 4 0 1 0 0 0 0 1 2 .244
Navarro, Dioner c 4 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 1 .326
Aybar, Willy 1b 4 1 2 2 0 0 0 0 0 .297
Gomes, Jonny dh 1 0 1 0 0 0 1 0 0 .222
Floyd, Cliff ph-dh 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 2 .264
Ruggiano, Justin rf 4 0 2 0 0 0 0 0 1 .313
Totals 36 1 9 3 0 0 1 3 9
Boston ab r h 2b 3b hr rbi w k avg.
Ellsbury, Jacoby lf-cf 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 .284
Youkilis, Kevin rf 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 .306
Pedroia, Dustin 2b 2 2 0 0 0 0 1 1 0 .271
Drew, J.D. rf-cf 3 1 1 1 0 0 1 2 0 .303
Ramirez, Manny dh 3 1 2 0 0 1 5 1 1 .301
Cash, Kevin pr-dh 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 .298
Lowell, Mike 3b 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .276
Casey, Sean 1b 4 0 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 .359
Varitek, Jason c 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 3 .262
Crisp, Coco cf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .261
Carter, Chris pr-lf 3 2 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 .667
Lugo, Julio ss 3 1 1 0 0 0 0 1 0 .272
Totals 31 7 8 1 0 1 7 5 7
Tampa Bay 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 -- 1
Boston 3 1 0 3 0 0 0 0 X -- 7
E_M.Lowell. LOB_Tampa Bay 13, Boston 9. 2B_A.Iwamura, W.Aybar 2, J.Drew.
HR_M.Ramirez (13) off J.Shields. SF_D.Pedroia. SB_J.Lugo (7). GIDP_W.Aybar.
DP_Boston 1 (M.Lowell, D.Pedroia and S.Casey).
Tampa Bay IP H R ER BB SO HR PC-ST ERA
Shields, James (L 4-4) 1 3 4 4 0 2 1 27-17 3.64
Balfour, Grant 2 1-3 2 2 2 1 1 0 44-25 3.86
Howell, J.P. 2-3 1 1 1 2 0 0 29-13 3.55
Glover, Gary 2 1 0 0 0 2 0 31-21 3.92
Wheeler, Dan 1 1 0 0 1 1 0 17-13 2.00
Reyes, Al 1 0 0 0 1 1 0 20-11 3.29
Boston IP H R ER BB SO HR PC-ST ERA
Lester, Jon (W 4-3) 6 1-3 8 1 1 0 5 0 108-67 3.50
Timlin, Mike 1 2-3 0 0 0 2 2 0 42-27 5.89
Aardsma, David 1 1 0 0 1 2 0 26-16 2.63
J. Shields pitched to 1 batter in the 2nd.
HBP_by J.Shields (C.Crisp,D.Pedroia), by A.Reyes (K.Youkilis), by J.Lester (C.Crawford)
WP_D.Aardsma.
T_3:40. A_37,639.
Iwamura, Akinori 2b 4 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 .276
Bartlett, Jason ss 5 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 1 .239
Crawford, Carl lf 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 .270
Upton, B.J. cf 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 .295
Longoria, Evan 3b 4 0 1 0 0 0 0 1 2 .244
Navarro, Dioner c 4 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 1 .326
Aybar, Willy 1b 4 1 2 2 0 0 0 0 0 .297
Gomes, Jonny dh 1 0 1 0 0 0 1 0 0 .222
Floyd, Cliff ph-dh 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 2 .264
Ruggiano, Justin rf 4 0 2 0 0 0 0 0 1 .313
Totals 36 1 9 3 0 0 1 3 9
Boston ab r h 2b 3b hr rbi w k avg.
Ellsbury, Jacoby lf-cf 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 .284
Youkilis, Kevin rf 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 .306
Pedroia, Dustin 2b 2 2 0 0 0 0 1 1 0 .271
Drew, J.D. rf-cf 3 1 1 1 0 0 1 2 0 .303
Ramirez, Manny dh 3 1 2 0 0 1 5 1 1 .301
Cash, Kevin pr-dh 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 .298
Lowell, Mike 3b 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .276
Casey, Sean 1b 4 0 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 .359
Varitek, Jason c 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 3 .262
Crisp, Coco cf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .261
Carter, Chris pr-lf 3 2 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 .667
Lugo, Julio ss 3 1 1 0 0 0 0 1 0 .272
Totals 31 7 8 1 0 1 7 5 7
Tampa Bay 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 -- 1
Boston 3 1 0 3 0 0 0 0 X -- 7
E_M.Lowell. LOB_Tampa Bay 13, Boston 9. 2B_A.Iwamura, W.Aybar 2, J.Drew.
HR_M.Ramirez (13) off J.Shields. SF_D.Pedroia. SB_J.Lugo (7). GIDP_W.Aybar.
DP_Boston 1 (M.Lowell, D.Pedroia and S.Casey).
Tampa Bay IP H R ER BB SO HR PC-ST ERA
Shields, James (L 4-4) 1 3 4 4 0 2 1 27-17 3.64
Balfour, Grant 2 1-3 2 2 2 1 1 0 44-25 3.86
Howell, J.P. 2-3 1 1 1 2 0 0 29-13 3.55
Glover, Gary 2 1 0 0 0 2 0 31-21 3.92
Wheeler, Dan 1 1 0 0 1 1 0 17-13 2.00
Reyes, Al 1 0 0 0 1 1 0 20-11 3.29
Boston IP H R ER BB SO HR PC-ST ERA
Lester, Jon (W 4-3) 6 1-3 8 1 1 0 5 0 108-67 3.50
Timlin, Mike 1 2-3 0 0 0 2 2 0 42-27 5.89
Aardsma, David 1 1 0 0 1 2 0 26-16 2.63
J. Shields pitched to 1 batter in the 2nd.
HBP_by J.Shields (C.Crisp,D.Pedroia), by A.Reyes (K.Youkilis), by J.Lester (C.Crawford)
WP_D.Aardsma.
T_3:40. A_37,639.
I'm so mad Shields didn't get beat up like Coco did. At least, Coco showed us his amazing reflexes, dodging that punch from Shields. That should raise his market value.
QUOTE(Leephus Pitch @ Jun 5 2008, 07:56 PM)
A wild guess based on no evidence: Manny didn't help out during the brawl and Youk called him on it.
I dont know. It looked like Youk turned to Casey as they were taking the field and said WTF was that all about?
QUOTE(VoteRiceIn @ Jun 5 2008, 07:27 PM)
Hopefully it's much to do about nothing.
Much ado about nothing.
QUOTE(Caspir @ Jun 5 2008, 07:24 PM)
No one other than Cash, Casey and Timlin did anything during that fight, so if Youks was calling out Manny he should work his way down the line. Jacoby was especially bitch like, watching Coco get jumped by three guys as he sheepishly tugged at Crawford's jersey. I'd rather our $20m All Star slugger not jump into a brawl.
After surveying this highly phucked up game thread, I'm proud to award tonight's "post of the night" honor to Caspir. It was a no doubter.
I love having to move out of my apartment the day of one of the most exciting games of the year. **** the girl that decided she wanted to move into my apartment a day early. And **** Austin traffic.
Edited to remove unacceptable profanity.
Edited to remove unacceptable profanity.
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