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RSN.Net Mea Culpa
The money is missing, but we will go on

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Posted 16 October 2004 - 06:17 PM

Dear Royal Rooters of Red Sox Nation,

As you know, RedSoxNation.Net is a web site run for our membership. Nuf Ced founded the board on EZBoard in April 2003, and RedSoxAnni, who knew him from the ProJo YourTurn board, joined him as an administrator. Over the last year and a half, RedSoxNation.net grew and nurtured a core of dedicated members. In late November 2003, Nuf Ced moved the board to an Invision Power Board. The move coincided with the Sox’ chase for A-Rod, and membership exploded. Nuf Ced added additional Barstaff, and decided to solicit contributions for the Red Sox Foundation. In January, the Barstaff met for the first time. We got to meet each other and discuss ideas for the Board. At that time, we decided to solicit contributions from members, the Supporters, to defray costs of running the Board. An enthusiastic Barstaff and a trusting membership operated on a basis of trust that monies received – managed by Nuf Ced – were accruing to pay Web-hosting fees and fund community-building activities such as the group outing to Fenway Park in June and the Royal Rooters t-shirts. In April, PSF took over as host of the board on his dedicated server. This gave us better control over the Board, and also saved us money each month.

THE BAD NEWS

Recently, as our Red Sox prepared to meet the Anaheim Angels in their first-round playoff match-up, members of the Barstaff began to grow impatient waiting for repayment of funds we’d fronted for various board functions. PSF had not been paid for several months for hosting the Board, and MALC had not been reimbursed for the tee shirts, which had been pre-paid by members who ordered them. Repeated entreaties to Nuf Ced had yielded only vague promises and double-talk. Nuf Ced repeatedly said, in effect, “the check is in the mail.” We grew more suspicious as Nuf Ced, who is a notorious board-hound, did not log in day-after-day. None of us has had contact with him since RedSoxAnni spoke to him on October 2; at that time he said he was in Chicago, working with ESPN.

As the days went by, and no word from Nuf Ced came despite dozens of e-mail and voice mail messages left for him, our suspicions grew. To our dismay, after checking the board accounts we could gain access to, we discovered that all money donated to the site is gone. There is no money to repay Barstaff who are owed money, much less cover PSF’s hosting fees. The transaction history showed dozens of ATM withdrawals and purchases at establishments as varied as CVS, Amtrak, liquor and convenience stores, The Gap and a Holiday Inn. All of the money collected from our Amazon book-buying account as well as our Google Ads account is gone also.

Outstanding debts currently hover around $1,500. This amount includes money still owed an accountant -- an acquaintance of Nuf Ced’s -- who set up an account for RSN.Net and fronted the money for the group outing to Fenway in June. He was reimbursed about $400 for the tickets by Nuf Ced, but is still owed about $400. PSF is owed about $300 in Web hosting fees. MALC is owed about $750 for printing and distributing the Royal Rooters t-shirts.

As the days wore on, and we made these discoveries, it appears that Nuf Ced has been using Rooters funds for his own use. Keep in mind that since Nuf Ced has not surfaced to answer any of these charges, this is only alleged. But the fact remains that the PayPal transaction logs for the months from December 2003 to present indicate only one bank transfer, which went to his accountant friend for partial payment of the outing tickets, and one payment to Invision, who was our Web host for a couple of months. The rest of the money was used for purchases apparently made by Nuf Ced. Our evidence is circumstantial in the sense that Nuf Ced could show up and write us all a check to reimburse us and tell us that was his plan all the time, but the consistent use of the Rooters account for everyday purchases and Nuf Ced’s refusal to contact us lead us to conclude otherwise.

A final revelation became apparent to MALC and Anni late Thursday night, when they realized that the PayPal log shows moneys received in December 2003 as donations to the Red Sox Foundation, and no payment to the charity appears. We cannot say with certainty that Nuf Ced did not make the donation, as he could have made it using another account. But we have our suspicions, and are taking steps to verify the donation was made.

The money that was donated to the site by all of you is likely unrecoverable. We are discussing the best way to proceed, and will keep you all informed. It is the Barstaff’s collective belief that the best course of action, unfortunately, is to start from scratch without Nuf Ced.

THE NEW PLAN

First of all, we’d like to assure you that the remaining Barstaff members are completely committed to continuing to run the site as a cooperative effort for all members. We are intent on providing full transparency in financial matters, and our credibility on this promise is bolstered by the fact that we are the primary financial losers in this debacle. RedSoxNation.Net has grown from a lonely outpost to what we think is an integral online hub in the vast network of fanatics collectively known as Red Sox Nation. Our mission is to support the team and provide an open online forum for fans of all backgrounds to talk about their beloved Sox.

Several days ago, e-mail discussion among Barstaff resulted in agreement on a new operating structure to ensure integrity. RedSoxAnni and MALC will be the co-operators of the site. Anni will concentrate on organizing the membership, keeping track of Supporters, and other similar tasks. MALC will be in charge of all financial transactions, including donations, t-shirts, outing tickets, etc. PSF will head up the technical department, including Web hosting, Supporter e-mail addresses, server issues, and code management. He will be assisted by groundskeeper TeddyKGB. Daily moderation will be handled by Cambridge, Edmund Dantes, JimDevlin, Mascho, and Thanman2. These roles are not rigid; Anni, MALC and PSF will all have full admin capabilities and share all responsibilities, so accountability in all board operations will be totally transparent. TeddyKGB will have limited admin capabilities for coding purposes. And of course, we all moderate.

Four Paypal accounts will be opened, backed by a checking account that MALC will start at Bank of America (Fleet) next week. The accounts will be as follows: donations@redsoxnation.net; promotions@redsoxnation.net; charity@redsoxnation.net; and outings@redsoxnation.net. The purposes are self-explanatory. When a bill needs to be paid, MALC will transfer the funds from PayPal to the checking account, then write a check from the RedSoxNation.Net account, or, when appropriate, just transfer the funds from the PayPal account. There will be no mixing of personal and board funds. The board will generate an annual report in January of each year summarizing the money it took in during the previous year and how it was spent. Any excess funds above and beyond a base “fallback” reserve amount to be agreed upon later (probably a couple of hundred bucks) will be donated to a charity to be determined by the Barstaff each Christmas season.

REPAYMENT OF DEBTS

It is the belief of the Barstaff that all parties owed money should be fully reimbursed. It is our intention to slowly make repayment using Supporters’ donations over time. At no time will repayment of debts take precedence over keeping the board running. It is our wish above all that the board continues to grow and thrive. Our needs are secondary. It is our hope that once Nuf Ced is located he will cooperate in a repayment plan to reimburse the board for monies that he allegedly used improperly. However, we cannot count on that.

GOING FORWARD

In a blatant breach of trust such as this, Barstaff understands that it will not be easy to regain the confidence of members who have paid money to help operate the site only to see that money misused. We want to assure you that all services paid for will be fully honored. Supporters will be extended a couple of months before renewal notices are sent out based on the anniversary date of payment. It is the very least we can do. I think you’ll agree based on the new financial structure noted above that any future transactions will be safeguarded from fraud, and we hope you choose to continue to support the site.

Barstaff feel that we have a responsibility to be completely forthright with all who contributed money to the site in any way. That is why we are posting this in the Rooters Clubhouse. We do not believe that it would be productive to post this on the main board for all the world to see.

That being said, it is inevitable that word will get out about the events of the recent past. Our position is that we have nothing to hide. On the contrary, we choose to view this as the alleged malicious actions of one person, and that person has now been expelled from our community. We do ask that, if other members or people from outside the board, including the press, ask you questions about what has happened, you refer them to MALC or Anni. We will explain what happened.

The end result is a stronger management team, a more-transparent financial operation, a fervent commitment to serving the members of RedSoxNation.Net, and helping to make the site a premier moderated message board for all things Red Sox. We feel the site will only get better and continue to improve its quality. Some initiatives planned for the site after Red Sox Nation recovers from all the partying following our team’s first World Series victory in 86 years include a clean install of the latest Invision Power Board software, testing and integration of a new chat module, a pruning and reorganization of the main board, and restoration of the arcade.

Again, thank you all for your support. You are truly the backbone of RedSoxNation.Net. Please post any and all questions regarding this unfortunate situation in this thread, and we’ll try to answer them. Or, of course, PM one of us.

Sincerely,

RedSoxNation.Net Barstaff
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Posted 16 October 2004 - 06:48 PM

As I've said in the other thread before the latest revelations came out, I will continue to be a supporter on this site. I'm on here at least 2 hours a day and feel like I've got my money's worth. I've also purchased a t-shirt, but did not donate to the charitable foundation. Those who did should be rippin'. I'm more upset that you, PSF and others got screwed over. I would like to pay you again for the shirt as well as chip in for PSF's fees.

I'm curious if any legal action will take place against KV. He must be held responsible for this deplorable breach of trust. Also mentioned in the other thread, are non-supporters being notified, who donated to charity? Will a statement be made available to the press? What becomes of DirtDog? With 'Nuf gone, I don't see him coming here to often, and I don't believe his "Inside information" is worth it, if it causes dissention among the Nation. I assume negotiations on the "links" to each others sites will either be eliminated, or an understanding will come together.

I do have a suggestion to garner more support during this troubling time:start a thread promoting how cool the secret, ultra-elite part of this site is. That should get a few "drama seekers". :D
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Posted 16 October 2004 - 06:52 PM

We hope to be able to contact Nuf Ced at some point and get some answers.

We have several options open to us, including the ones alluded to in your post. Our first and foremost goal is to have Nuf Ced show up with the money, and provide evidence that the charitable donation was made. We are committed to that donation. We just realized that it may be part of the missing funds on Thursday night.

We will keep the Supporters informed as we go forward. Right now, we'd like to find Nuf and get some answers, and hopefully a check for $5K. If that doesn't happen, we will explore our other options.

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Posted 16 October 2004 - 07:18 PM

A new chapter. What happened in the past was unfortunate. But it is past.

This board isn't a bank. My donations weren't my retirement savings. I have complete confidence in the barstaff, their intentions, and their plans.

As soon as the accounts are active, notify us, and I will make a donation.
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Posted 16 October 2004 - 08:44 PM

With regards to the account, I will start it this week. As soon as the new checking account is up and running, I will post a notice and re-edit Nuf Ced's original "Donate the board" forums to reflect the new information.

I appreciate all who have PMed and e-mailed me with offers to contribute. Although it feels crappy to take money from people who already have given, it is much appreciated and a tribute to the strength of our community.

-MALC
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Posted 16 October 2004 - 09:40 PM

15 bucks=couple hours of binge drinking, no biggie....time to give the liver a rest anyway.
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Posted 16 October 2004 - 11:00 PM

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In a blatant breach of trust such as this, Barstaff understands that it will not be easy to regain the confidence of members who have paid money to help operate the site only to see that money misused.


Bullshit. I have complete trust in all of you guys. You have my confidence, and whatever else you guys need. I may have given up on the Sox for this season, but that's not the case when it comes to the mods.

I just want to say thanks to everyone. If it is proven that Humperdink committed these crimes that he has, I want to prosecute him to the fullest extent of the law. I couldn't give a rats ass about my fifteen bucks, it's the fact that he screwed over his supposed friends and charities that depend upon donations to stay alfoat. If I saw Humperdink in the street, I'd get Caspir on his ass, and that is a fact.

Again, thanks to the Mods that are helping us all through this, especially PSF and MALC, who have taken the hardest hits from what I discerned. If PSF had shut us down, I'd probably be on three state killing spree right now.

Here's to a good offseason. :beer
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Posted 17 October 2004 - 01:39 AM

Personally, I hope we can raise all the money that is owed within 2 weeks of having the link up.
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Posted 17 October 2004 - 01:40 AM

Let me add my thanks to the Barstaff ofr keeping us advised and for being willing to perservere and keep this board going despite your personal losses. I agree that once this is all behind us, this board will be stronger for having gone throught this.

I am more than willing to pony up another $15 to keep this active. Nights like tonight remind me how important this is. You know it's funny but while watching the game, I thought of my fellow RSNers and how they must be taking this painful loss. I was able to vent my frustrations here and that is a healthy thing.

Plus if this board ceased to exist, how would I continue my never ending quest to educate the Liberals of this world about the truth and light of conservatism?? :D

You know what? Our team may be performing at a less than acceptable level but we, the Royal Rooters, ROCK.
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Posted 17 October 2004 - 01:58 AM

The Ghost of Ned Martin, on Oct 16 2004, 11:36 PM, said:

Let me add my thanks to the Barstaff ofr keeping us advised and for being willing to perservere and keep this board going despite your personal losses.  I agree that once this is all behind us, this board will be stronger for having gone throught this.

I am more than willing to pony up another $15 to keep this active.  Nights like tonight remind me how important this is.  You know it's funny but while watching the game, I thought of my fellow RSNers and how they must be taking this painful loss.  I was able to vent my frustrations here and that is a healthy thing.

Plus if this board ceased to exist, how would I continue my never ending quest to educate the Liberals of this world about the truth and light of conservatism??  :D

You know what?  Our team may be performing at a less than acceptable level but we, the Royal Rooters, ROCK.
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I was thinking of my fellow rooters today as I drove mountain roads of North County San Diego and listened to the carnage on ESPN Radio. I was wondering about what was going on in the chat and the game thread. I am heartenend to hear that this board will outlast the 2004 Sox.

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Posted 17 October 2004 - 06:43 AM

MargoAdamsLoveChild, on Oct 16 2004, 07:13 PM, said:

Dear Royal Rooters of Red Sox Nation,

The transaction history showed dozens of ATM withdrawals and purchases at establishments as varied as CVS, Amtrak, liquor and convenience stores, The Gap and a Holiday Inn.
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liquor store=Zima?
The Gap=ladies underwear?
convenience stores=$80 of bad porn?

Are there more details on the debit history for these purchases? In addition to the satisfaction of one day bringing him to justice, I would enjoy a hearty laugh seeing these alleged transactions aired out for all to see.

Seriously, I hope Nuf surfaces & sets things straight. If not, I would strongly suggest that he stay inside during the next thunderstorm, as I suspect the Big Guy upstairs has a lightning bolt with the initials "K.V." on it.

Count me in w/ the continued financial support.
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Posted 17 October 2004 - 08:43 AM

I just want to say how gracious and professional the barstaff has been in keeping us supporters up to date. It's those kind of actions that will preserve/restore the trust. I have never lost that trust in you guys. How can you not trust a group of people that would invite teddy into their ranks??? er, nevermind!!!

I've got a suggestion. How about a lifetime supporters membership for folks willing to donate $100 or more (or something along those lines)? It might be a good way to jumpstart the repayment process. I don't know how many folks would be willing to do this, but those that do would add up to take a huge chunk out. Of course, these supporters could always feel free to contribute more funds later if needed. It's kind of like how tivo works: you can spend $10 a month for the service or spend $200 up front for the life of the unit. It's just a way of bringing in more funds up front.
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Posted 17 October 2004 - 09:11 AM

We'll be here. It's a bit of a dark time, but we'll get through it. We're not Sox fans for nothin'. I'll donate again whenever it's time.
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Posted 17 October 2004 - 09:22 AM

Thanks for the full disclosure MALC and the rest of the powers that be here at RSN. We have a great little community here and can't let it be ruined by the sins of one person. Just let us know what to do and we'll be willing to help.

I'd also be on board (no pun intended) with MLW's idea for lifetime memberships. That way you folks that have lost $$ can recoup your losses quicker.
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Posted 17 October 2004 - 09:37 AM

I think people are dancing around something here. There might be a cause of action in a civil court here as against Nuf I understand that. But, are there any east coast lawyers on this board that have an opinion as to whether this would be a criminal offense? I know. I know. Everyone wants Nuf to show up and make it all better. But I think a criminal charge could bring resititution of the funds without having to pay a civil attorney a third for his/her efforts.

It is one thing to obtain funds for a venture and lose money trying to make that venture work. It is far different if you obtain the money for one purpose and use it for another. That may be the line Nuf crossed.
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Posted 17 October 2004 - 09:47 AM

I don't want to be danny downer here, but I think setting up ways for RSN.net to collect larger sums of our money is a bad idea right now.

Yes, we all love it here and yes we trust Anni, MALC and the rest of the crew. But we trusted Nuf Ced too.

I think that not only must money issues be transparent, as MALC detailed above, but they also should not be focused on ways to get individual rooters to pony up larger amounts of money. That is not the way to regain trust.

I am planning on donating more money, I just feel that setting up lifetime memberships with a hefty price tag sends the wrong message at this point in time.
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Posted 17 October 2004 - 09:51 AM

Thanks for your support. We need to proceed slowly here, as we do not have all the records, and we need more information before we can say with certainty what happened to the funds collected by the board. As noted in our post, we've had concerns for a while, but this all crystalized on Thursday night (October 14) when PSF was able to obtain some records and MALC and I reviewed them in the wee hours of the morning. There may be missing pieces, though. There could be another account somewhere, and NUF could have written checks on that account. All we know is that PSF, MALC, and the accountant who paid for the Fenway Park tickets and some of PSF's hosting fees out of his own funds have not received any money, other than the partial payment to the accountant. So, that is why we suspect that our donations may not have been sent to the Red Sox Foundation. We should note that the accountant is a member of this community, and has known Nuf for several years. He agreed to set up the accounts for the Board, and he paid PSF with full expectation that he'd be reimbursed.

PSF was able to obtain some of the financial information because it was linked to the board. Of course, we have no access to Nuf's personal bank account. So we don't know for certain.

Right now, only one person knows the answers to all our questions, and we haven't heard from him in over two weeks.

As I posted last night, we need to proceed slowly. The best of all possibly scenarios is to end up with an agreement with Nuf for full payment of all funds collected for the board. But, as many of you realize, there are other remedies. We need to "have all the ducks lined up" though. We WILL let you all know what we plan to do. We all have to realize that we will not resolve this issue next week, or maybe even next month. We need to do more research, and we need to get more advice from people who have more experience in these things than we do.

So, thanks for your support, understanding, and patience. We did let you all know what was going on the day after we figured it all out. We will continue to be forthright and honest about what is happening, so absence of new information means that we haven't taken any steps yet.

Meanwhile, if any of you hears from Nuf Ced via email or other means, tell him to "phone home".

Anni
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Posted 17 October 2004 - 09:56 AM

BlackJack, on Oct 17 2004, 10:43 AM, said:

I don't want to be danny downer here, but I think setting up ways for RSN.net to collect larger sums of our money is a bad idea right now.

Yes, we all love it here and yes we trust Anni, MALC and the rest of the crew.  But we trusted Nuf Ced too.

I think that not only must money issues be transparent, as MALC detailed above, but they also should not be focused on ways to get individual rooters to pony up larger amounts of money.  That is not the way to regain trust.

I am planning on donating more money, I just feel that setting up lifetime memberships with a hefty price tag sends the wrong message at this point in time.
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We can keep the board afloat for a while. That is not the problem right now. We are going to honor all memberships, and will contact you when your membership expires. I agree that sending money to the board right now is NOT the way to go. We hope to have the Amazon link up and working soon, and memberships will begin to expire in January, so we'll ask you to renew beginning then.

In the meantime, as I said in the previous post, we need to fully understand where the money went, and we'd like to recover it, even if it means setting up a payment plan.

And we WILL file annual reports. You will see everything. Hang in there for a little while, and we'll have more information for you. The barstaff will have another meeting in a few weeks, to plan for the future, and things should be a bit clearer then.

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Posted 17 October 2004 - 10:20 AM

RedSoxAnni, on Oct 17 2004, 10:52 AM, said:

We can keep the board afloat for a while.  That is not the problem right now.  We are going to honor all memberships, and will contact you when your membership expires.  I agree that sending money to the board right now is NOT the way to go.  We hope to have the Amazon link up and working soon, and memberships will begin to expire in January, so we'll ask you to renew beginning then.
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I'd just like to clarify that I was advising caution both on the part of the barstaff and the supporters.

I still trust the people who are in control of this site, and I think that says something both about them and about me. (probably that I'm too naive)

My point was simply that after a scandal, the wise course is to move slowly and regain trust by doing things properly. So far, I am very encouraged by what has been said by MALC and Anni.

Let's let them take care of the structure and whatnot before we start running at them with checkbooks. I have faith that they will let us know if it comes down to 'get more money from members or shut down the site'.
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Posted 17 October 2004 - 11:34 AM

BlackJack, on Oct 17 2004, 11:16 AM, said:

I'd just like to clarify that I was advising caution both on the part of the barstaff and the supporters.
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I'm not telling everybody to start throwing one-hundred dollar bills at the barstaff right away. I was just making a suggestion that might be extremely benefitial for this board. I'm not assuming that there will be a ton of people willing to pay $100. However, they may be at least 10 out of the 120 (?) supporters who trust the staff and might be willing to part with that kind of money. That right there is $1000. It was just an idea for the future and not a rally cry for folks to start writing checks against their homes for this site.
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