The A-Rod files
Posted 01 December 2003 - 08:37 AM
I would even sweeten the pot with Hanley Ramirez and see if we could get a Kevin Mench or something, I may even just give them both Ramirez's for A-Rod to get the deal done. Then trade Nomar for something - the rumored Glaus, Washburn deal? Or try to get Eckstein in it to play 2B?
Posted 01 December 2003 - 08:40 AM
I would like to see the Sox brass approach Nomar one more time in the offseason and exchange money ideas. If he honestly wants to stay in Boston (which can be argued), maybe he will take a modest upgrade from 11mil.
If not, Sox will make arrangments to have a deal in place for A-rod and then deal Nomar to Anaheim.
Posted 01 December 2003 - 08:47 AM
Yet, I wouldn't want to see Nomar get a Jeter type contract either....
Posted 01 December 2003 - 09:40 AM
Posted 01 December 2003 - 11:29 AM
I don't like ARod.
I don't want ARod.
So what if he's better? He costs twice as much. Is he twice as good? Did he knock in 210 RBI last year? Did he hit .610?
I realize these aren't reasonable arguments, but if Nomar wants to stay, he should stay.
Posted 01 December 2003 - 11:36 AM
The deal works because both Texas and Boston save money.
And Nomar gets to go to the West Coast.
Who wouldn't want to live in San Diego.
Hopefully, this deal can be made soon while the Schilling momentum
is high. The Foulke signing as well.
My best to the Royal Rooters, and their exalted place in Red Sox History.
Posted 01 December 2003 - 11:45 AM
Who wouldn't want to live in San Diego.
San Diego is beautiful, went there for work, and it was such a great place.
Anyhow, back to the AROD question .... if we can lose Manny and bring back AROD then I am all for it, even if we then have to trade Nomar because I think Nomar will bring us back some prettty good pitching/prospects in a trade.
Sounds good to me!
Posted 01 December 2003 - 11:54 AM
Anyway, why can't the Sox do the A-Rod for Manny deal with some prospects thrown in if necessary (remember, the Rangers are saving about $90M over the life of the contract if they dump A-Rod) and still keep Nomar? Despite his sometimes pissy attitude with the media, I've never heard anything but rumor and innuendo that he wants to be on the West Coast. I thnk that's a pantload ... there's nobody more "East Coast" in his approach than Nomar. He is smashmouth baseball personifed. I think he wants to stay. And I think he'd make the move to second if he had to.
That being said, when A-Rod was rumored to the Yankees in 2001, he made it clear he'd be willing to move to third for Jeter. I mean, Nomar isn't on the artificially inflated pedestal that Jeter is (he's just a better player, offensively and defensively), but why wouldn't A-Rod consider moving to third base? We move Mueller to second (thereby saving money because we don't need a second baseman) and we use the second base money to get a good defensive left fielder.
This has been thrown around over at SoSH, but imagine A-Rod to Nomar to who cares on a 6-4-3 double play? Just thinking about it makes me unnaturally aroused.
Posted 01 December 2003 - 12:26 PM
Personally, I don't think that Nomar will sign any sort of contract extension with the Sox. He may claim time and time again how much he loves Boston, per the rumors regarding what his sentiment at the wedding was, but he was made for the So-Cal lifestyle. I suppose getting A-Rod would be the best thing to replace him.
However on the other hand, the last two teams to win World Series were Anaheim and Florida, two teams without major superstar presence. They were built on solid all-around players, with a youth focus. While obviously, like any Red Sox fan, I'm extatic at the acquisition of Schilling and the prospect of A-Rod, but I think the brass should look to build the team all around with speed and defense. Just my .02.
Posted 01 December 2003 - 12:37 PM
OK, put everyone on waivers. We're starting over.
I would love to have Nomar and ARod, but I don't see either of the premier shortstops in MLB moving their position.
Nah guhn daht.
Posted 01 December 2003 - 12:41 PM
I would much rather have A-Rod here than no A-Rod. I just don't think it's very likely that A-Rod and Nomar will play on any team together other than the All-Star team.
Posted 01 December 2003 - 12:55 PM
Posted 01 December 2003 - 01:53 PM
A-Rod is the reigning AL MVP and Gold Glove winner, not to mention the best SS in the game. Of course RSN has an emotional tie to Nomar, but there is no emotional tie I wouldn't break for 2004 to be the year.
Before trading A-Rod/pitcher(Williamson or Kim?) for Manny/Nomar:
Big hole at 2B
Huge hole in LF
Big hole at 2B
about 10 mil to play with
Assuming A-Rod and Manny are about similiar offensively, that means we would need to put Nomar's bat in LF. I think Shannon Stewart would be a great option out there. Get Johnny Damon and his inconsistencies out of the leadoff spot and put Stewart there. Damon drops to 9 but we keep his defense and speed and we'll still have the best #9 hitter in the league. Another possibility is JD Drew if he's non-tendered. His injuries scare me but when healthy, he would be another monster in the lineup.
If we could also manage to get a 2B either the Manny or Nomar deal, that would be a big plus. If Nomar went to the Angels, I'd love to see Adam Kennedy at 2B.
If this doesn't happen, we still have Nomar and Manny to create offense for Curt Schilling, so no big loss if it doesn't happen
Posted 01 December 2003 - 02:27 PM
I don't agree CT. While it's possible that Hanley will go the way of other failed prospects, he's still one of our potential gems. We're just now trying to emerge from what has been a poorly regarded minor league system, and we need to keep some of these guys. I'd certainly be willing to trade him in the right deal, but probably not in a "pot sweetener" situation like this.
Posted 01 December 2003 - 03:00 PM
Posted 01 December 2003 - 03:22 PM
I think if you EVER have a chance at getting a player of this calibur, you do it. Whatever it takes.
There are not many opportunities like this. And when there are, it is usually at the tail end of a players career.
AROD is young, and probably the best player in MLB, certainly top 3.
Posted 01 December 2003 - 03:59 PM
This is a no-brainer.
Here's where we are folks:
1) Nomar in the last year of his contract.
2) Manny Ramirez albatross and headcase issue. Already put on waivers.
3) A-Rod's frustration with Texas, his desire to play in Boston (or New York).
Add that up, you have a near guarantee this will occur. A-Rod in Boston, Manny in Texas (for Hargrove), Nomar in Anaheim for K-Rod and prospects.
How could this not happen?
Posted 01 December 2003 - 05:42 PM
Posted 01 December 2003 - 05:52 PM
Of course it's possible (Theo has shown himself to be shrewd and hard-working) that some number of moves, signings and karma could make the '04 Sox the team for the ages without Garciaparra and Ramirez, but I have my doubts. I think if A-Rod comes, it's Manny alone who moves on. Nomar stays, and remains the starting shortstop.
Posted 01 December 2003 - 06:02 PM
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