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Papi Suspended
...and it looks like tonight (July 18)

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Posted 14 July 2011 - 10:18 PM

Papi suspended for that little altercation with Gregg. Four days now, but he has appealed.

http://www.boston.co...uspends_or.html

Where are those interleague games when we need them?
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Posted 15 July 2011 - 02:01 AM

View PostSoxAroundTheWorld, on 14 July 2011 - 10:18 PM, said:

Papi suspended for that little altercation with Gregg. Four days now, but he has appealed.

http://www.boston.co...uspends_or.html


This is bullshit. They should have given Gregg more games than Ortiz. First of all, Gregg threw at him and then, when it should have been over, Gregg mouthed off to him. Secondly, Gregg is a reliever, not an everyday player. Giving them each 4 games is more of a punishment to Ortiz.

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Where are those interleague games when we need them?


Where? Probably Philly. When? Late October.
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Posted 17 July 2011 - 09:18 PM

View PostBigSlick, on 15 July 2011 - 02:01 AM, said:

This is bullshit. They should have given Gregg more games than Ortiz. First of all, Gregg threw at him and then, when it should have been over, Gregg mouthed off to him. Secondly, Gregg is a reliever, not an everyday player. Giving them each 4 games is more of a punishment to Ortiz.


Ortiz should get more of a punishment. Gregg was yelling at him, which he could have ignored. He was the one that charged the mound. Gregg is a douchebag, but you can't get suspended just for that.

That said, I'm glad Ortiz did it. I just wish he had connected.
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Posted 17 July 2011 - 09:39 PM

View PostWakefield 49, on 17 July 2011 - 09:18 PM, said:

Ortiz should get more of a punishment. Gregg was yelling at him, which he could have ignored. He was the one that charged the mound. Gregg is a douchebag, but you can't get suspended just for that.


Gregg instigated it by trying to hit him with 3 straight pitches.

Then Gregg instigated it again by yelling at Ortiz as he was running down the line.

Of course Ortiz could have ignored it, but you have to punish the guy who starts it.
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Posted 17 July 2011 - 09:50 PM

View Postrominer, on 17 July 2011 - 09:39 PM, said:

Gregg instigated it by trying to hit him with 3 straight pitches.

Then Gregg instigated it again by yelling at Ortiz as he was running down the line.

Of course Ortiz could have ignored it, but you have to punish the guy who starts it.


Trying to hit him deserves suspension, and would have been reasonable cause to charge the mound. After he popped up the 3-0 pitch, that part was over. Yelling is not a justifiable reason to charge someone. If you aren't going to do it when the guy is throwing at you, you can't do it because he yelled at you.
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Posted 17 July 2011 - 10:00 PM

View PostWakefield 49, on 17 July 2011 - 09:50 PM, said:

Trying to hit him deserves suspension, and would have been reasonable cause to charge the mound. After he popped up the 3-0 pitch, that part was over. Yelling is not a justifiable reason to charge someone. If you aren't going to do it when the guy is throwing at you, you can't do it because he yelled at you.


And Ortiz instead kept his cool, and only took a few steps towards the mound.

At that point, benches cleared.

Then, when the dust settled, Gregg decided to instigate the fight all over again. So much so, that he was ejected before Ortiz even charged the mound. And Ortiz charging the mound was exactly the result that Gregg was looking for.

There's no question that Ortiz should be suspended for his part in it. But again, there's also no question who the instigator was. Gregg (especially as a pitcher, who's not going to be out there every day) should have at least gotten an extra game as compared to Ortiz.
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Posted 17 July 2011 - 10:27 PM

View Postrominer, on 17 July 2011 - 10:00 PM, said:

And Ortiz instead kept his cool, and only took a few steps towards the mound.

At that point, benches cleared.

Then, when the dust settled, Gregg decided to instigate the fight all over again. So much so, that he was ejected before Ortiz even charged the mound. And Ortiz charging the mound was exactly the result that Gregg was looking for.

There's no question that Ortiz should be suspended for his part in it. But again, there's also no question who the instigator was. Gregg (especially as a pitcher, who's not going to be out there every day) should have at least gotten an extra game as compared to Ortiz.


Well said dude, can you imagine if Ortiz punches ending up being connected and knocked douchebag out??? probably 10 games suspended right there, do you agree?
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Posted 18 July 2011 - 12:12 AM

View PostSFFM38, on 17 July 2011 - 10:27 PM, said:

Well said dude, can you imagine if Ortiz punches ending up being connected and knocked douchebag out??? probably 10 games suspended right there, do you agree?


I agree that it would have been totally worth it.
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Posted 18 July 2011 - 03:26 PM

Ortiz not in the lineup tonight

According to ESPN, Ortiz is not in tonight's lineup, so apparently the suspension will start tonight. Nick Cafardo commented in this morning's Globe that MLB did NOT want Ortiz and Gregg facing each other in this series...
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Posted 18 July 2011 - 03:56 PM

View PostWakefield 49, on 17 July 2011 - 09:50 PM, said:

Trying to hit him deserves suspension, and would have been reasonable cause to charge the mound. After he popped up the 3-0 pitch, that part was over. Yelling is not a justifiable reason to charge someone. If you aren't going to do it when the guy is throwing at you, you can't do it because he yelled at you.


What's the weather like in pussyville?
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Posted 18 July 2011 - 04:10 PM

View PostMrNewEngland, on 18 July 2011 - 03:56 PM, said:

What's the weather like in pussyville?


I think the bigger bitch is the one that charges because of words. If he had charged him after the pitches I'd have no problem with it, but it's pretty stupid to go after him for huwting his wittle feewings once things had calmed down. Luckily it worked out so that he's just missing a series against a terrible team, but it was retarded to do what he did. He's the second best hitter on the team. If he's going to let some douchebag on a last place team make him miss games when his team still has meaningful baseball to play because he told him to run to first base, that's pretty dumb.
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Posted 18 July 2011 - 05:08 PM

View PostWakefield 49, on 18 July 2011 - 04:10 PM, said:

I think the bigger bitch is the one that charges because of words. If he had charged him after the pitches I'd have no problem with it, but it's pretty stupid to go after him for huwting his wittle feewings once things had calmed down.


That's the exact point though. Things had calmed down and Gregg started shit again. If Ortiz does nothing there he would have been mayor of Pussyville.
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Posted 18 July 2011 - 07:13 PM

View PostBigSlick, on 18 July 2011 - 05:08 PM, said:

That's the exact point though. Things had calmed down and Gregg started shit again. If Ortiz does nothing there he would have been mayor of Pussyville.


Better to be the smartest man in Pussyville than the dumbest in Tough Town.
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Posted 18 July 2011 - 07:45 PM

View PostWakefield 49, on 18 July 2011 - 07:13 PM, said:

Better to be the smartest man in Pussyville than the dumbest in Tough Town.


Right, but then, you've proven your point that it was dumb for Ortiz to let it get to him.

After all that, though, it was still Kevin Gregg who instigated it, and who should have therefore been punished more severely.

Although, I suppose having a sub-100 IQ may be considered punishment enough.
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Posted 18 July 2011 - 08:17 PM

View Postrominer, on 18 July 2011 - 07:45 PM, said:

Right, but then, you've proven your point that it was dumb for Ortiz to let it get to him.

After all that, though, it was still Kevin Gregg who instigated it, and who should have therefore been punished more severely.

Although, I suppose having a sub-100 IQ may be considered punishment enough.


This isn't hockey. There are no instigator penalties. Ortiz committed the first suspendable action.
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Posted 18 July 2011 - 08:23 PM

View PostWakefield 49, on 18 July 2011 - 08:17 PM, said:

This isn't hockey. There are no instigator penalties. Ortiz committed the first suspendable action.


Well, then. We disagree. Fair enough.
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Posted 19 July 2011 - 07:37 AM

View PostWakefield 49, on 18 July 2011 - 08:17 PM, said:

This isn't hockey. There are no instigator penalties. Ortiz committed the first suspendable action.


I am totally in agreement with Wakefield on this. Sure, in the "nothing would have happened without this guy" sense, Gregg started it. The problem is that he didn't do anything that would merit a suspension, seeing as he never even actually hit Ortiz. Ortiz turned the event into a situation that merited suspensions by charging the mound during a play. Given that an equal number of games suspension punishes a position player/DH more than a relief pitcher, I think the equal length of the suspension appropriately reflects Ortiz choosing to escalate the situation, as he was ultimately at fault for starting a brawl.

Being an asshole isn't a suspendable offense, nor is mouthing off or throwing inside. Charging the mound is. It's pretty simple, and Ortiz was stupid to charge the mound in that situation. I completely understand why he did, but it was still dumb. You can't let players on crap teams who are angry because they know they are on a crap team goad you into situations that force you to miss games, and Ortiz let Gregg do that.
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Posted 19 July 2011 - 09:05 AM

I agree with JMD, which means - for the first time in recorded history - I disagree with rominer. The world is coming to an end...
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Posted 19 July 2011 - 01:23 PM

You people are crazy.

But at least Kevin Gregg really gets it.

He's still bitching about how unfair it is that the Sox lose their DH for 3 games while the Orioles lose theirs for 2 weeks. Because, you know, suspensions have always been based on injuries that were sustained on unrelated plays.
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Posted 19 July 2011 - 03:22 PM

View Postrominer, on 19 July 2011 - 01:23 PM, said:

You people are crazy.

But at least Kevin Gregg really gets it.

He's still bitching about how unfair it is that the Sox lose their DH for 3 games while the Orioles lose theirs for 2 weeks. Because, you know, suspensions have always been based on injuries that were sustained on unrelated plays.


Gregg is just pissed off that he missed 3 times in a row.
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